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wheelrite Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 12:16 PM EST
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yawn,,,,

I can't wait till the morons who think their Health Care is free now ,realize they still gotta pay for it...
Stinkdyr Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 12:17 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Have NEVER seen a tax removed after it is implemented - right or wrong. In Allegheny County of PA they are STILL charging 1% Sales Tax for the Johnstown flood - which happened in a totally different County and in 1889!!!

We're fücked! Once again lawmakers institute a law and tax they themselves are exempt from!!!


So true. Here in Taxholechewschitz, we are still stuck paying a "temporary" income tax hike that is decades old.

Yay!


fog
bloody spaniard Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 12:36 PM EST
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HD, Jojo, ZRX, or anybody else who is not an ideologue & willing to be open-minded and not just regurgitate what Boner, Limberger, and company spew- I am in the incipient stages of investigation but it appears that if a small business drops its coverage & pays the penalty for Obamacare, it would first have to qualify under Medicaid??? Oh and vaccines would also be mandated??? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 12:52 PM EST
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Winning!




Again!






Who do you think wrote this legislation? 2400 pages overnight.........
jojoc Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 1:22 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
HD, Jojo, ZRX, or anybody else who is not an ideologue & willing to be open-minded and not just regurgitate what Boner, Limberger, and company spew- I am in the incipient stages of investigation but it appears that if a small business drops its coverage & pays the penalty for Obamacare, it would first have to qualify under Medicaid??? Oh and vaccines would also be mandated??? Huh



Bloody - I have not delved too far into the rules of Obamacare yet (but that unfortunately will have to change really soon). my understanding is that business with less than 50 employees will not face a penalty for not providing coverage. I have set up medical reimb plans for a number of small businesses. It is the only way I know of where a business can offer medical benefits but still control 100% of the costs. Depending on the type of entity the business uses, the tax results can vary. S Corp shareholders are required to report the payment on the k1, resulting in a reduction of basis, or taxable income, if no basis left to absorb the distribution. Otherwise, the reimb is deductible by the employer and tax free to the employee. One way around the S Corp issue is if the shareholder's spouse is a non-shareholder employee, run the reimbursement through the nonshareholder spouse (which covers spouses and dependents).
HockeyDad Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 1:25 PM EST
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....and if you have more than 50 employees.....well.....you know what to do.
jojoc Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 1:35 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
....and if you have more than 50 employees.....well.....you know what to do.





fire them ..........



start a bunch of independent companies with less than 50 employees and sub-contract out .......





move more jobs oversees ...................





blame the French d'oh!
HockeyDad Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 1:36 PM EST
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I would have charged $300/hour for that advice. You're undercutting my business!
drywalldog Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 2:15 PM EST
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Poor righties, first Ron Paul lost, then Mitt won, now Judge Roberts showed his true colors, and voted for Obamacare. When will the carnage end? How much more can they take. Why didnt Fox News, or Ruush see this coming? At least the Skyway bridge is open.
Numismaniac Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 2:25 PM EST
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I been warning everyone, better learn to be self sufficient, guess I better start dusting off my plant medicine journals, hehe.



Seriously, though, we have Tenncare here, started off to be universal for the uninsured, that didn't last long, hehe. Now it covers children only. Do a little research on it, most of the politicians, whether Demorat or Republirans, have avoided telling the truths!
HockeyDad Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 2:28 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Poor righties, first Ron Paul lost, then Mitt won, now Judge Roberts showed his true colors, and voted for Obamacare. When will the carnage end? How much more can they take. Why didnt Fox News, or Ruush see this coming? At least the Skyway bridge is open.



I never saw Obamacare as a right versus left issue. I would define it as the most clear example yet of supporting legislation that raids the treasury. Those in favor expect they will financially gain from it. Those against expect they will financially lose from it.

Destiny is that the "drain the treasury" crowd will always win. The USA is simply following Europe.

....but the Sunshine Skyway is open and the sun is out today!
drywalldog Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 2:53 PM EST
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Not right or left issue, really, I want you to find me ten righties on here for Obamacare.
HockeyDad Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:03 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Not right or left issue, really, I want you to find me ten righties on here for Obamacare.



I'm sure they're here, find them yourself with a poll. My statement stands.

The beauty of this beast is that those that expect to financially benefit and those that expect to not financially benefit might be wrong.

Now that the US Supreme Court has ruled it a legal tax, we shall see how the law of unexpected consequences comes into play.
FuzzNJ Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:03 PM EST
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You know with this and the out of control gas prices, Obama is having a really bad week.
HockeyDad Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:06 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You know with this and the out of control gas prices, Obama is having a really bad week.




Gas prices are out of control. When they fall like this it is a dead giveaway for an impending economic recession.
FuzzNJ Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:19 PM EST
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When they rise it's a sure sign of impending inflation.*

Stable prices mean manipulation of the market.*

*may change depending on which party holds which political office being hammered
HockeyDad Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:23 PM EST
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All commodity prices are manipulated but they are great forward looking economic indicators.
FuzzNJ Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
All commodity prices are manipulated but they are great forward looking economic indicators.


Not in today's market. You need to think more outside the box because the paradigm has shifted.
HockeyDad Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:30 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not in today's market. You need to think more outside the box because the paradigm has shifted.



BS
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:32 PM EST
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where's that BS Flag smiley we requested..?? Huh
HockeyDad Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:33 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
where's that BS Flag smiley we requested..?? Huh



Prolly got taxed out of existence by Obamacare.
FuzzNJ Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:37 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
BS


No kidding.
HockeyDad Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:40 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
No kidding.


BS
FuzzNJ Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:50 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
BS


Make a list of actionable items and mutlitask that we can monotize the 2.0 tech for our post google action plan so the community to share and make additions. Win win for all.
HockeyDad Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:53 PM EST
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Action Items

1. Repeal Obamacare
daveincincy Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:53 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Not right or left issue, really, I want you to find me ten righties on here for Obamacare.


Find me 10 lefties on here against Obamacare. Oh wait, off the top of my head, I can only think of 3 lefties on here...Rick, Fuzz, and you (who has been quite absent from the boards until this came up....you just get the urge to gloat a little?) I'm sure there are 1 or 2 others that have slipped my mind.
HockeyDad Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:55 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
you just get the urge to gloat a little?



....Just wait until he finds out his healthcare costs are going up!
FuzzNJ Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 3:55 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
Find me 10 lefties on here against Obamacare. Oh wait, off the top of my head, I can only think of 3 lefties on here...Rick, Fuzz, and you (who has been quite absent from the boards until this came up....you just get the urge to gloat a little?) I'm sure there are 1 or 2 others that have slipped my mind.


I'm anti- 'obamacare' if obamacare is this bill specifically.
daveincincy Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:02 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
....Just wait until he finds out his healthcare costs are going up!



Not gonna happen...his POTUS protects him.
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:04 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
Not gonna happen...his POTUS protects him.




My expectation is that a lot of people who think they are under the Cone of Protection on this one are going to find out they are not......just like with everything else from Obama.
jojoc Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:05 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm anti- 'obamacare' if obamacare is this bill specifically.




So I guess this is not a right left thing afterall...............
HockeyDad Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:07 PM EST
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jojoc wrote:
So I guess this is not a right left thing afterall...............




Le HockeyDad is vindicated once again!
FuzzNJ Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:14 PM EST
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jojoc wrote:
So I guess this is not a right left thing afterall...............


and Obama isn't 'left' either. (in case you haven't seen me say that before)
wheelrite Offline
#84 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:16 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
and Obama isn't 'left' either. (in case you haven't seen me say that before)


His black half is...
Drool
jojoc Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:16 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
and Obama isn't 'left' either. (in case you haven't seen me say that before)


he said it so it must be true!
daveincincy Offline
#86 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:21 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
and Obama isn't 'left' either. (in case you haven't seen me say that before)


In his mind he's always 'right.'
FuzzNJ Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:27 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
In his mind he's always 'right.'


He did 'change his mind' recently on gay marriage, so he admitted being wrong there, but at the time I guess he thought he was right, before he thought he was wrong, so you are right, I think.
daveincincy Offline
#88 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:35 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
He did 'change his mind' recently on gay marriage, so he admitted being wrong there, but at the time I guess he thought he was right, before he thought he was wrong, so you are right, I think.




It's not about being right or wrong. It's about getting votes.
FuzzNJ Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 4:43 PM EST
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daveincincy wrote:
It's not about being right or wrong. It's about getting votes.


right/left
right/wrong
now pandering

so much to remember
itsawaldo Offline
#90 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 5:48 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
It says "promote", not enforce or provide.


+1
itsawaldo Offline
#91 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 5:51 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I am not going to even try to explain a 2,400 page bill that no one completely understands, but I can tell you that there is no free government healthcare in this bill.


Duh!
Looks like I'll have to pony up more dough for those that cant.

Gee thanks I dont mind giving to charity but.....I will remember that come election day.
DadZilla3 Offline
#92 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 7:34 PM EST
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Lemme know how this turns out...
cacman Offline
#93 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:19 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
Lemme know how this turns out...

I'll let you know how this turns out. The precedent was set today. The guberment now has the right to tax you for ANYTHING they feel is good for you. If they feel you should be buying/eating so much broccoli per month, they now have the precedent to tax you for it (sorry, listened to the Kudlow Repot this evening). Sugary or oversized drinks will become taxed. Just watch. You will next be forced to buy life insurance to cover your death or you and your surviving family will be taxed. We are all fücked, and it's only the beginning. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves. They might as well remove the Constitution from display in DC.

Can you tell I'm pissed off... ram27bat
ZRX1200 Offline
#94 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:26 PM EST
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^ display is all its used for.
cacman Offline
#95 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:27 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
^ display is all its used for.

No freakin sh|t!!! They just took a big dump on it today!!!

What the fuq happened to "freedom of choice"???
ZRX1200 Offline
#96 Posted: Thu, Jun 28 2012, 11:44 PM EST
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We're free to choose from what were allowed to.
cacman Offline
#97 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 1:32 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
We're free to choose from what we're allowed to.

d'oh!
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#98 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 3:13 AM EST
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CACMAN\

IF YOU KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES PRO OR CON ABOUT THE MANDATE
YOU WOULD BE LESS QUICK TO THINK YOUR FREEDOM HAS BEEN
RIPPED FROM YOUR ARMS

THE TAX FOR YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT THE MANDATED INSURANCE AND
YOU ARE COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY INSURANCE TO PROTECT YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY WHICH WOULD BE FOOLISH INDEED, IS $90.00 A YEAR.

IF YOU STILL WANT TO BE A HARD ASS, THERE ARE NO ENFORCMANCES
TO RECOVER THE $90.00

IS THAT MANDATED, OR IS THAT THE WORD YOU DON'T LIKE.

NO THAT YOU KNOW A LITTLE MORE THEN YOU DID BEFORE WE TALKED,
DO YOU FEEL BETTER?
RICKAMAVEN Offline
#99 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 3:27 AM EST
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CACMAN

THE FEDERAL AND YOUR STATE, AND YOUR CITY, CAN TAX YOU FOR ANYTHING THEY WANT.

HOW MUCH TAX DO YOU PAY FOR A GALLON OF GAS, A CAN OF SODA AND I DON'T
KNOW WHAT ELSE ON YOUR GROCERIES.

THEY TAX YOU FOR A MCDONALDS.

IF THER REPUBLACINS GET IN, LOL, THEY WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES BY DESALLOWING
CHARITY CONTRSIBUTIONS AND INTEREST ON THE MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME

ROMNEY PAYS A FLAT 15% BRCAUSE HIS IS CAPITAL GAINS AND HIS RATE IS HALF
OF YOURS BECAUSE YOU WORK FOR YOU, YOU PAY HALF THE SELF EMPLOYMENT
TAX ABOUT 7 1/2% IS YOUR HALF.

HE PAYS NO SELF EMPLOYMENT TAX OR TAX ON THE MONEY HIDDEN IN OFFSHORE BANKS
THAT DON'T REPORT. AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU GET ANOTICE FROM YOUR BANK IF YOU
HAVE EARNED OVER A DOLLAR ON A CHECKING ACCT

BETTER READ A LITTLE
DadZilla3 Offline
#100 Posted: Fri, Jun 29 2012, 4:14 AM EST
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Let me tell you how it will be,
There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

(If you drive a car ), I’ll tax the street,
(If you try to sit ), I’ll tax your seat,
(If you get too cold ), I’ll tax the heat,
(If you take a walk ), I’ll tax your feet.
Taxman.

‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Don’t ask me what I want it for
(Mister Wilson!)
If you don’t want to pay some more
(Mister Heath!),
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

Now my advice for those who die,
Declare the pennies on your eyes,
‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
And you’re working for no-one but me
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