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"Obamaphones"
DrafterX Offline
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Slim Pickings: World’s Richest Man Gets Richer Supplying ‘Obamaphones’ to Poor

Published October 10, 2012

A Mexican telecom mogul who holds the title of world's richest man, and one of President Obama's top donors are both getting even richer from the U.S. government program that supplies so-called "Obamaphones" to the poor.

Carlos Slim, who has an estimated net worth of $70 billion, owns a controlling stake in TracFone, which makes $10 per phone for each device it provides to poor Americans. The company, whose president and CEO is Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, also makes money from extra minutes and data plans it sells to subscribers who get phones and service through the government's Lifeline program. The program, which began in the mid-1980s, has exploded in the past four years after being expanded from supplying landlines to the poor to providing cellular phones.


“I’m not against a company making a profit. If they are making money off lifeline, the blame goes to the federal government for creating the program."
- Rep. Tim Griffin (R-AR)


The phones came into the national spotlight after a viral video surfaced on YouTube in which a Cleveland, Ohio, woman praised the president, saying he needed to be re-elected because he gives out free phones.

“Everybody in Cleveland, every minority, got an Obama phone. Keep Obama as president. He gave us a phone. He gonna do more,” the woman said in the video.

Slim’s Movil America owns TracFone and recently snapped up service provider Simple Mobile for $100 million. TracFones and Simple Mobile service are huge players in the Lifeline program through the company's “SafeLink Wireless” brand. TracFone had 3.8 million subscribers through the federal program as of late 2011.

Pollak has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign. His wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama and has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s re-election effort that year.

U.S. Rep. Tim Griffin, (R-Ark.), who has been one of the biggest critics of the Lifeline program's explosive growth, said he can't blame Slim for doing lucrative business with the federal government.

“I’m not against a company making a profit," Griffin said. "If they are making money off the program, the blame goes to the federal government for creating the program."

Griffin recently introduced a bill on Capitol Hill to end the Lifeline program, which cost $1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. While not technically a tax, the program is funded by mandatory fees tacked on to consumers' phone bills, then disbursed through the Federal Communications Commission and states.

“This program is rife with waste and abuse," Griffin said. "It’s set up in a way where people can receive multiple phones for free.”

Griffin said he has seen cases in which single individuals obtained dozens of the phones, and said under the lax requirements, more than 80 million Americans are eligible.

According to the FCC, “Lifeline is a government benefit program supported by the Universal Service Fund that provides a discount on phone service for qualifying low-income consumers. Lifeline helps ensure that eligible consumers have the opportunities and security that phone service brings, including being able to connect to jobs, family, and emergency services.”

The FCC announced in July that new reforms saved $43 million in savings by eliminating duplicate subscriptions and outdated subsidies and claims that the agency is on track to recover $200 million for the year.

But Griffin said it's time to end a subsidy that gives the poor a luxury item and makes the world's wealthiest man richer.

“I simply do not think that the taxpayers should be footing the bill for someone’s cell service and social interaction,” Griffin said. "If that’s the case, what should the government pay for and not pay for? Let’s just start paying for everyone’s gas.”


Film at 11.... d'oh!
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No matter what you say they say the opposite !
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GANAR!
victor809 Offline
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Retards....

Once again, for the people in the back of the shortbus:

1 - Lifeline does NOT provide a cell phone. Lifeline only provides a credit towards either a landline or wireless telephone bill. The average credit is $9 (this would hardly pay for a wireless service).

2 - SAFELINK, which is a program that actually GIVES lazy poor people a phone AND gives lazy poor people minutes (this is most likely what the individual is profiting from) was started by BUSH.

Idiots.
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"Griffin recently introduced a bill on Capitol Hill to end the Lifeline program, which cost $1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008."


why are you ignoring this..?? Do you believe this program was intended to be abused like this..??
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No. You blamed Reagan last time.


more moving goal line shinnanigans Victor?






The truth doesn't matter when leaches believe it and vote fo him to get thems a Obama iphone!
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victor809 wrote:
Retards....

Once again, for the people in the back of the shortbus:

1 - Lifeline does NOT provide a cell phone. Lifeline only provides a credit towards either a landline or wireless telephone bill. The average credit is $9 (this would hardly pay for a wireless service).

2 - SAFELINK, which is a program that actually GIVES lazy poor people a phone AND gives lazy poor people minutes (this is most likely what the individual is profiting from) was started by BUSH.

Idiots.



Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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DrafterX wrote:
"Griffin recently introduced a bill on Capitol Hill to end the Lifeline program, which cost $1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008."


why are you ignoring this..?? Do you believe this program was intended to be abused like this..??


I don't even think the program should be in place (in any format). I don't particularly care if people can't call emergency services in an emergency. Bottom line is that none of the programs have anything to do with obama. The fee schedules were set in place prior to him and will continue until someone gets rid of them.

the "cost" isn't even a cost. There's a % fee tacked on to your phone bill. This money then is disbursed (and wasted) through the lifelink program. The size of the program is going to increase as you pay more in phone bills.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No. You blamed Reagan last time.


more moving goal line shinnanigans Victor?






The truth doesn't matter when leaches believe it and vote fo him to get thems a Obama iphone!


Nope. Reagan started lifeline. No one had cell phones then. Clinton allowed the money received to be applied to a wireless bill (this is a perfectly logical change, considering no one has landlines any longer). However, none of this has to do with actually receiving a cellphone.

For receiving a cellphone, you have to look at the Safelink program. That was started by Bush.
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And the truth ALWAYS matters.
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Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you


Want me to stop calling you an idiot, then stop acting like one.
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victor809 wrote:
Want me to stop calling you an idiot, then stop acting like one.



Address the fact that people are on the street proclaiming Obama God because he gave them a free phone... I don't see him out there correcting them do you..??



Clopper...
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DrafterX wrote:
Address the fact that people are on the street proclaiming Obama God because he gave them a free phone... I don't see him out there correcting them do you..??



Clopper...


that's not what this poorly written article is about. You (through posting this article) are suggesting that obama is in some way involved in this, and that this is because one of his supporters happens to own a phone which is being supplied by this program.

Obama didn't start this program. Obama hasn't said a damn thing about phones, nor does that seem to be a major concern of his. Bush, Reagan and in a small part Clinton, are the ones you need to blame for the existence of this program. Therefore, it's a poorly written article which is trying to make a poorly supported case. The fact that you are supporting it makes you an idiot.

I don't need to address a damn thing about street people. They aren't the premise of the article.
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looking back I think you're the one that got all Obama defensive and stuff... the article itself is really more about some dude getting richer everyday off this program that also seems to be a heavy Obama campain contributor... but you go ahead and just read the parts you already know about...
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holy shlt, that has gotta to be the funniest thing ive ever seen. the parodies are even better.
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DrafterX wrote:
looking back I think you're the one that got all Obama defensive and stuff... the article itself is really more about some dude getting richer everyday off this program that also seems to be a heavy Obama campain contributor... but you go ahead and just read the parts you already know about...



Yeah. The article isn't trying to tie obama to Lifeline at all... nope. Wouldn't even think of it... hell, the title doesn't even have obama in it. And since obama isn't expanding or promoting the program, it's definitely relevant to point out his political contributions. Because that's important.

The only important things in this article are the existence of the program and the names of any congressmen actively promoting or actively fighting the program and their relationship to the owner of tracphone.

If you can't understand that simple concept then i fail to see how anything you post could ever be relevant.
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Ok Batman, acticle aside, this whole topic was brought to our attention because some of the 'poor' are clearly taking advantage of this program and giving credit to Obama... whether or not he started this program is not the point... enrollment and cost has more than doubled in tthe past few years and he's riding the wave... that's the point... disect and defend him all you want.....
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victor809 wrote:
And the truth ALWAYS matters.

Tell that to obama!
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Momma says, Obama is the devil.











LoL, love that stupid movie. You can do it!
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that was a good movie...... Laugh

I heard Victor protested it tho... somethn about keeping the little man down or somethin... I dunno.. [melow]
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DrafterX wrote:
Ok Batman, acticle aside, this whole topic was brought to our attention because some of the 'poor' are clearly taking advantage of this program and giving credit to Obama... whether or not he started this program is not the point... enrollment and cost has more than doubled in tthe past few years and he's riding the wave... that's the point... disect and defend him all you want.....


So because short-bus idiots who are too stupid to actually earn money to buy a cell phone think Obama is giving it to them, you want to propagate that lie to try to convince short-bus idiots marginally smart enough to buy their own cell phone that Obama is taxing them and giving the poor cell phones?

Is that about ti?

No one bothers posting things like "Haha! Those idiots think obama is going to give them a cell phone if they vote for him!" (this would be my approach).

Admit it, you bought the lie part and parcel as well, you were AGHAST and OUTRAGED that you were buying poor obama voters phones. Now that it's evident that obama has nothing to do with it, you've simply shifted your OUTRAGE to the fact that the idiots will try to vote for him because they think he's going to give them a phone (really, do you think someone like this is even going to vote?)
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I didn't shift anything.... that was the point.... did you watch the video... it was actually kind of funny... but you failed to see that too.... Mellow
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I didn't shift anything.... that was the point.... did you watch the video... it was actually kind of funny... but you failed to see that too.... Mellow


The article you posted had a point it was trying to make. If you don't agree with the article, then STATE in your posting what parts of it we are supposed to take as your opinion, and which parts we aren't. If you just c&p and add your standard idiotic "free blowjobs at 11" tagline, then we have to assume you agree with the article.

No, I haven't watched the video yet, work and such I haven't been able to watch anything with the sound on in days. I've got a pretty good idea what the video is about and seen some quotes from it.
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victor809 wrote:


No, I haven't watched the video yet, work and such I haven't been able to watch anything with the sound on in days. I've got a pretty good idea what the video is about and seen some quotes from it.



that explains everything......
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that explains everything......


Why? You think after watching the video I'll suddenly feel an urge to fabricate the truth to reach my own ends?
Seriously? I know what the video is about, I don't need to actually see it.
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it was humor and a little disgust..... but you had to make it into something else.... I'm not surprised tho... carry on....
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DrafterX wrote:
that explains everything......



Drafter, I had no idea you were a special education teacher!

Applause


Draf, take a bow! I applaud the wonderful work you do with the retards. Oh, I'm sorry mentally challenged. Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings!
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it was humor and a little disgust..... but you had to make it into something else.... I'm not surprised tho... carry on....


Yeah. Sure.
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wow, what happened here? who's eballs are bigger now?
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http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121011001-obamaphone.html
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ZRX1200 wrote:
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121011001-obamaphone.html


and?
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ZRX1200 wrote:
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121011001-obamaphone.html



Damn... this one isn't even funny... Mellow
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victor809 wrote:
and?



come back after you've seen it..... Mellow
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ZRX1200 wrote:
http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121011001-obamaphone.html



Her have 30 phones mon...one to go with each job!
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Hey Eric instead of sleeping while your guys are walking guns to Mexico, prosecute her. Seems she provided plenty of probable cause to believe he has committed fraud involving a Federal Pending Program.
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DrafterX wrote:
come back after you've seen it..... Mellow


What's the difference? So some idiot scammed the system for a bunch of phones. What does this have to do with "obama"? Why is his name even mentioned?
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victor809 wrote:
What's the difference? So some idiot scammed the system for a bunch of phones. What does this have to do with "obama"? Why is his name even mentioned?



It was a clopper that did it.... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
It was a clopper that did it.... Mellow


Why are you so obsessed with "My Little Pony" sex?
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victor809 wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with "My Little Pony" sex?



is that what it is.?? I thought it was a group of your friends just watching them on tv.... freaks... Mellow
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is that what it is.?? I thought it was a group of your friends just watching them on tv.... freaks... Mellow



I'm glad he's a Georgetown rubby player and knowledgeable on what My Little Pony sex is all about. Knowing is half the battle!
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is that what it is.?? I thought it was just when I masturbated while watching them on tv.... I'm a dirty freak... Mellow


Why would you want to sit around wand watch my little pony and masturbate?
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victor809 wrote:
Why would you want to sit around wand watch my little pony and masturbate?



why do you sit around and watch your friends watch my little pony and masturbate..??
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victor809 wrote:
Why would you want to sit around wand watch my little pony and masturbate?



And that's the other half that needs to go back in the closet!
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why do you sit around and watch your friends watch my little pony and masturbate..??


I don't have anything to do with that show. Never watched it as a child or as an adult. You're the one that keeps bringing it up, and it's starting to make me wonder.
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I had never heard of them till you brought them up... you even said one of them gave you a clopper t-shirt.. now you're denying even knowing your them... you're not a good friend Victor... Shame on you
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I had never heard of them till you brought them up... you even said one of them gave you a clopper t-shirt.. now you're denying even knowing your them... you're not a good friend Victor... Shame on you


Interesting... I don't believe I said any of that.
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"and?"



It's called current events man....jeesh.
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Interesting... I don't believe I said any of that.




ya, we couldn't believe it either.... you prolly shouldn't have..... Mellow
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ya, we couldn't believe it either.... you prolly shouldn't have..... Mellow


Point out where I did any of that. Or go masturbate to another my little pony video... all the same to me...you'll probably put about the same amount of effort into it either way.
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"and?"



It's called current events man....jeesh.


The "and" is supposed to ask what point you're trying to make with that.
Are you trying to say that you got 30 phones from the government and want to sell me one?
Are you trying to say that you think Obama is personally going to every inner city home and giving them an iphone stolen from the hands of college kids?
Are you trying to say that you think that woman is an idiot for thinking Obama had anything to do with her phone, and a bigger idiot for telling the world that she's scamming the system?
Are you trying to say that you believe that these actually are "Obamaphones" and that voting him out will somehow have an impact on this FCC project?

I summarized that into "and?"
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