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KPP Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 8:48 PM EST
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How is there not a thread already?

Obama has some fight in him tonight...but there's a whole lotta "that's simply not true"...lies I tell you...LIES...goin on.

Fenster, curious how your cliff notes reflect the current scorecard ;).
KPP Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 8:59 PM EST
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Loraine just called Romney Mr. President...

Funny.
rfenst Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:03 PM EST
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KPP wrote:
Loraine just called Romney Mr. President...

Funny.


I didn't catch that.
KPP Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:07 PM EST
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got a smirk out of the dude behind her. She may have been addressing both Romney & then "Mr. President"...but I don't think so.

Things are going sideways now..
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:07 PM EST
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Early reports say Romney kicked the empty suit's azz again.
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:09 PM EST
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KPP wrote:
got a smirk out of the dude behind her. She may have been addressing both Romney & then "Mr. President"...but I don't think so.

Things are going sideways now..




Romney is blowing it big time now. He needs to shut up and stop being rude to Obama and the mediator.
8trackdisco Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:12 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Romney is blowing it big time now. He needs to shut up and stop being rude to Obama and the mediator.


Agreed that he is overplaying the hubris card. It showed stones in the first. Now he just looks pushy and borderline rude.

Obama looks more presidential tonight.

Although Romney did better on the immigration question.
crgcpro Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Early reports say Romney kicked the empty suit's azz again.


That's the way I see it. I don't see how anyone could possibly be seeing it differently unless they just aren't watching or maybe have it muted or maybe they're smoking some crack or a bong and not paying attention.
KPP Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:14 PM EST
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Re #5...things certainly didn't start in Obamas favor when the first two topics were jobs & oil/gas. Not difficult to point out the flaws there in the past 4 years.
8trackdisco Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:19 PM EST
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Obama should never talk for more than a minute. Once he gets to that point, he meanders. He's got to keep it tighter.
grmcooper Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:24 PM EST
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This is like a train wreck....
grmcooper Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:27 PM EST
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All I got out of the debate is we need to blow up China.
KPP Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:28 PM EST
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^ with kamikaze immigrants?
grmcooper Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:29 PM EST
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And AK47's
wheelrite Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:30 PM EST
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who wants to buy an AK47 before it's too late ?
rfenst Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:30 PM EST
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KPP wrote:
Re #5...things certainly didn't start in Obamas favor when the first two topics were jobs & oil/gas. Not difficult to point out the flaws there in the past 4 years.


Jobs are his "albatross".

The current price of gas sucks, but I think it is mostly due to current and anticipated greater instability in the middle east. We are a long time away from being able to really tap in to our petroleum/coal energies.
wheelrite Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:32 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Jobs are his "albatross".

The current price of gas sucks, but I think it is mostly due to current and anticipated greater instability in the middle east. We are a long time away from being able to really tap in to our petroleum/coal energies.


wrong...
we have an overabundance of oil and gasoline,,,

The reason the price is up is because hard commodities have real value ...
grmcooper Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:35 PM EST
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The questions suck.
rfenst Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:36 PM EST
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China?

Who doesn't think it is the biggest producers of goods in the world? We will NEVER be able to compete with their labor costs. if they are diddling their currency and that is helping them, then they are accomplishing what is best for them. I don't want to see us play fair in the dirty game of international trade and production- I just want to see us winning!
wheelrite Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:38 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
[quote=rfenst]Jobs are his "albatross".

China?

Who doesn't think it is the biggest producers of goods in the U.S.? We will NEVER be able to compete with their labor costs. if they are diddling their currency and that is helping them, then they are accomplishing what is best for them. I don't want to see us play fair in the dirty game of international trade and production- i just want to see us winning!


wow how unbleeding heart liberal of you,,

I'm shocked,,,
edin508 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:42 PM EST
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grmcooper wrote:
This is like a train wreck....

This, in a bad way.
rfenst Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:43 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
wrong...
we have an overabundance of oil and gasoline,,,

The reason the price is up is because hard commodities have real value ...


Supply and demand- yes. But, only foreseeable long-term high prices will spur U.S. supply in the market.
edin508 Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:43 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
who wants to buy an AK47 before it's too late ?

Did that before he got in last time, all set.
rfenst Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:54 PM EST
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China?

Who doesn't think it is the biggest producers of goods in the U.S.? We will NEVER be able to compete with their labor costs. If they are diddling with their currency and that is helping them, then they are accomplishing what is best for them. I don't want to see us play fair in the dirty game of international trade and production- i just want to see us winning!
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 9:57 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
wow how unbleeding heart liberal of you,,

I'm shocked,,,


If you are shocked, then you have been relying on others' misstatements or projections of my opinions. Trade is war. Trade war is WAR. There is no such thing as fighting dirty in a war.
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#26 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:04 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Jobs are his "albatross".

The current price of gas sucks, but I think it is mostly due to current and anticipated greater instability in the middle east. We are a long time away from being able to really tap in to our petroleum/coal energies.


That, and from what I understand most of the world's oil is still priced in dollars. So if you're selling oil and pricing it in dollars and the dollar declines in purchasing power, naturally you're going to ask for more dollars in return for your barrel of oil.

Like Wheel said, hard commodities (like oil) have real value. Countries use fiat currency nowadays, so everybody's money is basically backed by nothing more than faith. Our money still has some value left but it is declining. By the time QE23 rolls around, we'll be paying about $1,200 a gallon for gas.

Hyperbole yeah, but we shouldn't forget that at one time not so long ago the Zimbabwean dollar was worth slightly more than a US dollar. Now you can buy 100 trillion dollar Zimbabwean notes on eBay for a couple of bucks.
HockeyDad Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:06 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
If you are shocked, then you have been relying on others' misstatements or projections of my opinions. Trade is war. Trade war is WAR. There is no such thing as fighting dirty in a war.




Get rid of the antiquated borders. Problem solved.
DadZilla3 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:07 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Get rid of the antiquated borders. Problem solved.

Give California back to Mexico? Think
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:10 PM EST
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vote how you want, Romney won the first, Obama won tonight. Only the weirdly undecided will be swayed by the debates anyway.
rfenst Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
vote how you want, Romney won the first, Obama won tonight. Only the weirdly undecided will be swayed by the debates anyway.


And, a small percentage of them- in just a few states- will decide the election.
KPP Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:17 PM EST
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I don't think Obama won tonight....as much as he didn't lose.

After the outcome of the 1st debate though, I can see where that might seem like a victory for Obama.
rfenst Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:17 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
That, and from what I understand most of the world's oil is still priced in dollars. So if you're selling oil and pricing it in dollars and the dollar declines in purchasing power, naturally you're going to ask for more dollars in return for your barrel of oil.


Yes, but that devalued dollar in foreign hands permits greater purchasing power for our goods, services and real property and the like. All of these elements here and there on each issue interlock them so much that there really is no discreet, correct analysis or answer to any of this.
DadZilla3 Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:26 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Yes, but that devalued dollar in foreign hands permits greater purchasing power for our goods, services and real property and the like. All of these elements here and there on each issue interlock them so much that there really is no discreet, correct analysis or answer to any of this.

I'm not seeing how a devalued dollar carries greater purchasing power in foreign hands. It just means that they'd have a greater accumulation of dollars, each worth less than before.

Agreed though...there are a lot of moving parts to the issue of currency valuation.
SMGBobbyScott Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:56 PM EST
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CNN Poll (Dis-proportionally GOP due to audience) - 46% Obama 39% Romney - we have a tie going into the third debate...
rfenst Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 10:58 PM EST
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I'm not seeing how a devalued dollar carries greater purchasing power in foreign hands. It just means that they'd have a greater accumulation of dollars, each worth less than before.

Agreed though...there are a lot of moving parts to the issue of currency valuation.


When, for example, a country's currency increases on the dollar or the dollar falls against that currency, they can buy more dollars for each unit of their currency. As long as we aren't suffering disproportionate inflation,our goods become cheaper to the holders of that currency. This stimulates demand.
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#36 Posted: Tue, Oct 16 2012, 11:07 PM EST
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Yes exports are skyrocketing!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 6:04 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yes exports are skyrocketing!



and so are the LIES!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P19O6R1zqBY
Numismaniac Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 6:49 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Jobs are his "albatross".

The current price of gas sucks, but I think it is mostly due to current and anticipated greater instability in the middle east. We are a long time away from being able to really tap in to our petroleum/coal energies.




Why doesn't anyone keep playing a statement he made as he was either running or just elected.


"Energy prices will necessarily have to go up during my administration"
Maybe I'm paraphrasing, but I don't think so, I remember what I heard, from his mouth

If you think the prices are high now, wait until the inflation kicks in from this idiots agenda!!!!!
Numismaniac Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 6:58 AM EST
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would take a dissertation and a book, but the gas price problem is very complicated and yes, tied to the fact that at one time the only way oil could be purchased was with US dollars, now that is not the case at all, and has been slowly changing over the last 5-7 years, a concerted effort by other countries to "war" as rfenst properly puts trade, against us by agreeing to exchange oil in other currencies and gold. Now even the largest countries like China, Russia, etc. have done the same thing.

Just a few of the things that have really affected the price, the biggest............lowered production, and permitting here over the 1st couple of years during Obama's reign and the oil companies went to where the easier and better money is, duh
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#40 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 7:37 AM EST
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May I just inject a town hall forum comment and then move on:

Who the hell is an "undecided" voter with only 3 weeks to go? How much more do you need to see/hear/research before you make your decision? Every answer that came out last night should have already been known if you've paid any attention to either candidate in the last year.

These must be the same people I get behind at the McDonald's drive through. They stare at the board for 10 minutes, like that Big Mac thingie and those Large Fries are all new additions to ponder.d'oh!



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#41 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 7:51 AM EST
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snowwolf777 wrote:
May I just inject a town hall forum comment and then move on:

Who the hell is an "undecided" voter with only 3 weeks to go? How much more do you need to see/hear/research before you make your decision? Every answer that came out last night should have already been known if you've paid any attention to either candidate in the last year.

These must be the same people I get behind at the McDonald's drive through. They stare at the board for 10 minutes, like that Big Mac thingie and those Large Fries are all new additions to ponder.d'oh!





Great point!!!

I think they are really just people who usually affiliate with one party and are still considering voting for the other, but just can't make the call yet. They are also probably also more affluent, better educated and know both side's platforms BETTER than the average voter...
Numismaniac Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 7:55 AM EST
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Agreed, I traveled the country from 07 -11, and I decided, unfortunately we better get much more self reliant, as the majority of the population now falls in this category, my friend, why I rarely post in the politics thread, LOL.

Bad thing, now I've got so many back/disc issues, I'm gonna have to become reliant on SSD, after the fight.
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#43 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:25 AM EST
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I read this morning that to prepare for this debate Romney had to practice sitting on a stool.
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#44 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:33 AM EST
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mind games..... the media has been telling us for days how the debate was gonna turn out....'Obama will be agressive, etc... etc...' guess what, people looked for it and decided it was there.... Mellow
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#45 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:41 AM EST
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snowwolf777 wrote:
May I just inject a town hall forum comment and then move on:

Who the hell is an "undecided" voter with only 3 weeks to go? How much more do you need to see/hear/research before you make your decision? Every answer that came out last night should have already been known if you've paid any attention to either candidate in the last year.

These must be the same people I get behind at the McDonald's drive through. They stare at the board for 10 minutes, like that Big Mac thingie and those Large Fries are all new additions to ponder.d'oh!






Well, to be fair...they were prolly on their Obamaphone talking to their friends and looking for Obamabucks in the ashtray to pay for their McDoubles!
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#46 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
mind games..... the media has been telling us for days how the debate was gonna turn out....'Obama will be agressive, etc... etc...' guess what, people looked for it and decided it was there.... Mellow



Pay no attention to the shovel ready jobs...these are not the jobs you're looking for...pay no attention to these taxpayer's dollars...these are not the taxpayer's dollars you're looking for...pay no attention to the Truth...this is not the Truth you're looking for..

In the whole audience I was looking for a Joe Wilson in the crowd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro

Instead...a bunch of spoonfed mouthbreathers.
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#47 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:46 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
they were prolly on their Obamaphone



Racist..!! Mad

or was that stupid..?? Think Think I don't remember... anyway you're not allowed to use that word cause reminds people how ignorant Obama supporters can be..... Shame on you
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#48 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 8:46 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Racist..!! Mad

or was that stupid..?? Think Think I don't remember... anyway you're not allowed to use that word cause reminds people how ignorant Obama supporters can be..... Shame on you



Just words.
tailgater Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 9:04 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Romney is blowing it big time now. He needs to shut up and stop being rude to Obama and the mediator.


Stop being rude to the moderator?
It's the other way around, sir.
Candy not only interjected her own little fact-check to support Obama, she also gave the President 10% more time to speak.
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#50 Posted: Wed, Oct 17 2012, 9:10 AM EST
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I just happened to be watchign CBS when the debate started and listened to the so called analysts afterwards... one of them commented on how Candy had to tell Romney to take his seat like he was out of control or soemthing... Think I don't remember it going down like that..... and he said he thought it was gonna become a pushing match at one time and wondered how the Secret Servce would respond.... I had to turn the channel... Not talking
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