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Poll Question : A vote for Gary Johnson is:
Choice Votes Statistics
A wasted vote 2 9 %
A vote taken from Romney 4 18 %
A vote taken from Obama 1 4 %
Right thing to do if you believe in him 12 54 %
A vote for viability of a 3rd party 3 13 %
Total 22 100%

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A Vote for Gary Johnson is....
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dstieger Offline
#1 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 10:53 AM EST
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And....despite your thoughts on Johnson, do you think there's any hope for ever having a viable third party candidate for president in our lifetimes?
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 10:58 AM EST
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you don't have to call him Johnson....... Mellow
jackconrad Offline
#3 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:15 AM EST
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Not until after the Revolution ! ^Not talking
bloody spaniard Offline
#4 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:16 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
And....despite your thoughts on Johnson, do you think there's any hope for ever having a viable third party candidate for president in our lifetimes?



Yes, of course, and possibly more than one especially if Romney/Ryan win & can't turn around the economy as promised. Possibly a Tea Party, constitutional derivative, and/or a 99%er.
It's obvious that the Democrats & their clean, good looking standard bearer were in waaaaay over their heads.

Problem is that our time is short. We have become a country of selfish self interests and of calculated efforts to promote survival panic focused around race, sex, age, disabilities, unions, & lifestyle.
Beer
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:20 AM EST
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Republicans and Democrats will always find common ground when it comes to destroying any possibility of a 3rd party.

(Having only two parties makes it easier on us globalists)
DrafterX Offline
#6 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:27 AM EST
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Think
why don't the globalists just run a candidate..?? If he promised me an island in da bahamas I'd prolly vote for him..... Mellow
bloody spaniard Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:37 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Republicans and Democrats will always find common ground when it comes to destroying any possibility of a 3rd party.
(Having only two parties makes it easier on us globalists)




If that is correct, it'll almost inevitably lead to bloodshed (per Jack) if the Republicans fail. However, I think a third party's doable with a lot of selfless elbow grease. If not, fancypants globalists will be the grand (and proud) owners of shards, embers, and dirt floors.
dstieger Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:42 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
We have become a country of selfish self interests and of calculated efforts to promote survival panic focused around race, sex, age, disabilities, unions, & lifestyle.
Beer



bloody spaniard wrote:
... I think a third party's doable with a lot of selfless elbow grease.


Guess it aint gonna happen....we're cuffked...."Please just come bend us over now, Globalists. We surrender."
Gene363 Online
#9 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 11:58 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
why don't the globalists just run a candiadte..?? If he promised me an island in da bahamas I'd prolly vote for him..... {mellow]


Because they own both the front runners and will win either way. Oh, and we all lose either way.chorse Frying pan horse
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 12:24 PM EST
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no island for X...... Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#11 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 12:33 PM EST
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4 out of 5 isn't bad.

Face it...nobody is crossing the road to vote 3rd party to stab at the Kenyan King.

I've said it before...vote for whom you want, just vote.

Personally, I just want the train wreck of Hope and Change gone. I'll use any vehicle to make it happen. If Mittens doesn't work out...I'll vote him out too!
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 12:38 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
If that is correct, it'll almost inevitably lead to bloodshed (per Jack) if the Republicans fail. However, I think a third party's doable with a lot of selfless elbow grease. If not, fancypants globalists will be the grand (and proud) owners of shards, embers, and dirt floors.



This nation is way too soft for bloodshed. Austerity and the national bankruptcy is the only thing that could cause the people to rise up and they won't even know how without government instructions!
bloody spaniard Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 12:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
This nation is way too soft for bloodshed. Austerity and the national bankruptcy is the only thing that could cause the people to rise up and they won't even know how without government instructions!


You think? Even the open-minded, Vive la Difference French are taking to the streets over jobs & bennies lost.
Americans riot when their team wins in the finals or when a controversial video is circulated ... I don't think it'll take much.
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#14 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:00 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
You think? Even the open-minded, Vive la Difference French are taking to the streets over jobs & bennies lost.
Americans riot when their team wins in the finals or when a controversial video is circulated ... I don't think it'll take much.



Europeans take to the streets over daylight savings time! Take away gubment money and they totally freak and declare national strikes and stuff.

Americans----I'll believe it when I see it.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:05 PM EST
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America needs more Rodney Kings..!! horse
bloody spaniard Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:06 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Europeans take to the streets over daylight savings time! Take away gubment money and they totally freak and declare national strikes and stuff.
Americans----I'll believe it when I see it.




Welllll, just don't underestimate the American people... they've been known to rise to the occasion... just sayin'.
HockeyDad Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:13 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Welllll, just don't underestimate the American people... they've been known to rise to the occasion... just sayin'.



The poor won't rise up as long as they get free cheese, food stamps, and Obamaphones.

The rich will just simply leave when the demands from the poor get too excessive.

The middle class will.....become the new rich and be consumed by the poor and they can't afford to have an exit plan!
JKilburn Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:32 PM EST
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Any chance Jill Stein gets more votes than Johnson?
bloody spaniard Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 1:58 PM EST
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or Roseanne Barr? lol
teedubbya Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:12 PM EST
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I don't get this vote taken from crap. Wouldn't you have to know who they were going to vote for prior to changing their minds to Gary? And why would anyone vote for spongebobs pet snail anyway?

this whole thing is stupid.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:15 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
4 out of 5 isn't bad.

Face it...nobody is crossing the road to vote 3rd party to stab at the Kenyan King.

I've said it before...vote for whom you want, just vote.

Personally, I just want the train wreck of Hope and Change gone. I'll use any vehicle to make it happen. If Mittens doesn't work out...I'll vote him out too!


You might. But too many lunkheads will not ala the trainwreck GWB and Big O. But the D (or R) is worse so we may as well vote to have the flaming cactus jammed up our peehole again.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:16 PM EST
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Anyone who voted for a second GWB term or a second Big O term should consider themselves more alike than diffferent and part of the problem not the solution.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:20 PM EST
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Think you get to moderate from da fence too..??? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:22 PM EST
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Yes. Since you voted GWB back in you are exactly the same as those voting for the Big O. In the credibility department you are dead to me.
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:22 PM EST
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damn...... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:24 PM EST
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lol (did that take away any of the sting?)
tailgater Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:25 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Anyone who voted for a second GWB term or a second Big O term should consider themselves more alike than diffferent and part of the problem not the solution.


Uhm, dude.
It was, like, you know, John Freakin' Kerry!

You may not know him, but he's been my Senator for too long. He an opportunistic loaf who does nothing except sign his name to bills he didn't design, and marry ugly rich women. He's a hypocrite extraordinaire and makes Mitt Romney look steadfast in his convictions.

I'd vote for Dubya a third time if Kerry were running against him.
bloody spaniard Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:27 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Anyone who voted for a second GWB term or a second Big O term should consider themselves more alike than diffferent and part of the problem not the solution.


I agree but you're going to have bad gas if you keep gulping air excited like that.





DrafterX wrote:
Think you get to moderate from da fence too..??? Huh


I was hanging around to see which TW would get the last word in & win the debate in his head.
teedubbya Offline
#29 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:27 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Uhm, dude.
It was, like, you know, John Freakin' Kerry!

You may not know him, but he's been my Senator for too long. He an opportunistic loaf who does nothing except sign his name to bills he didn't design, and marry ugly rich women. He's a hypocrite extraordinaire and makes Mitt Romney look steadfast in his convictions.

I'd vote for Dubya a third time if Kerry were running against him.






I'm sure you would. No matter how horrible Bush was doing or how bad of turn the country was taking.

now go join drafter LOL
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:28 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:


I was hanging around to see which TW would get the last word in & win the debate in his head.



There is only one TW in my head and that is both of us.
dstieger Offline
#31 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't get this vote taken from crap. Wouldn't you have to know who they were going to vote for prior to changing their minds to Gary? And why would anyone vote for spongebobs pet snail anyway?

this whole thing is stupid.


What????? This is the Politics forum. Nobody has to know anything at all to have an opinion.

Every four years I take a look at party platforms and every four years I decide that I really like much of what the Libertarian Party stands for.

And.....every four years, I examine the Libertarian candidates and find little more than goofballs.

IDK....maybe enough stoners voting for Gary Johnson would somehow convince a candidate that people can get behind will choose to make a serious run --- - maybe Ron Paul?.....or someone else not a total loonie will get out early as a real alternative party option.
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 3:36 PM EST
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^ I can totally relate to what you said (signed the third TW in my head)

all kidding aside, I agree.... except perot, anderson, etc were more serious candidates than Paul... and that is saying something....
borndead1 Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 6:05 PM EST
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You know what's funny (or maybe sad...or both)? I hear the same argument from liberals and conservatives about Johnson. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!", say the cons. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney!", say the libs.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 6:07 PM EST
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^ agreed. it's nonsense.
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#35 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 6:18 PM EST
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If the contest is still open, I'm going to say that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson.

I win. Now send me my fiver.

Dancing

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#36 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 6:25 PM EST
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people crying about no third party who don't vote third party have no credibility at all relating to this level of political philosophy. just because you know you will lose this time, maybe next time and the time after...how the fugue you ever gonna establish a viable third party if you bail on them in the voting booth? voting for the winner does not make you one also. sticking to beliefs does.

Will those hypocrites making the noise they subject others to shut up already? Go vote for Mitt but do not have the audacity to correct anyone else. You're not even voting what you believe!

BTW, I voted it's the right thing to do in the above poll. Good to see that selection is winning, at least the loud mouthed hypocrites are outnumbered by folks with balls and conviction. My utmost respect to those libertarians who are staying the course...though I think you are wrong (HA)!!
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#37 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 8:28 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
And....despite your thoughts on Johnson, do you think there's any hope for ever having a viable third party candidate for president in our lifetimes?


Yes, a third party candidate was already viable. Ross Perot had a screw loose, and he got 18% of the vote. We've now had a black president (other than Clinton). Ten years ago that concept was widely laughed at.

Most people are moderates at their core. They've just been beaten down so far, that they only see the choice between two sets of extremists.

Repubs and Dems know it could happen. That is why they block out Johnson in the debates. Enough people might say "What the Hell, I'll throw away a vote on Johnson."

The make up, and how congress works would be altered over night.
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#38 Posted: Mon, Oct 22 2012, 8:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Anyone who voted for a second GWB term or a second Big O term should consider themselves more alike than diffferent and part of the problem not the solution.














+1
tailgater Offline
#39 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 5:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm sure you would. No matter how horrible Bush was doing or how bad of turn the country was taking.

now go join drafter LOL


You don't understand.
My post wasn't pro-bush, it was anti-Kerry.
Based not on party politics, but on historical performance.
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 5:43 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You don't understand.
My post wasn't pro-bush, it was anti-Kerry.
Based not on party politics, but on historical performance.





I understood
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 5:45 PM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
You know what's funny (or maybe sad...or both)? I hear the same argument from liberals and conservatives about Johnson. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!", say the cons. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney!", say the libs.


If the third party is more conservative, then it's a vote against the GOP.
Conversely, if they're more liberal, then it's a vote against the Dems.

Ross Perot stole the election from George HW Bush.
Ralph Nader stole it away from Gore.


I voted for Perot. Because it WAS the economy, stupid.

His 18% showing was a hopeful sign for third parties in the future, but alas it wasn't to be.

The best thing we can realistically hope for from a third party is that it brings BOTH parties away from their extreme base and forces them into the middle where most of America claims to be.
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 5:45 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I understood


Yet your answer contradicts this.
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 5:57 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Yet your answer contradicts this.


no it really doesnt... but I don't expect you to understand
tailgater Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
no it really doesnt... but I don't expect you to understand


Read it again.
I'll paraphrase: John Kerry is SO BAD, that I'd even vote for bush a third time if he was running against him.

I re-read my post to make certain it explains it. And it does. In big boy English. Sorry to intimidate you like that.
teedubbya Offline
#45 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:05 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Read it again.
I'll paraphrase: John Kerry is SO BAD, that I'd even vote for bush a third time if he was running against him.

I re-read my post to make certain it explains it. And it does. In big boy English. Sorry to intimidate you like that.



think what you want. we all fill in the blanks and make assumptions at times...... it's ok. you don't need to see it.
tailgater Offline
#46 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
think what you want. we all fill in the blanks and make assumptions at times...... it's ok. you don't need to see it.


So it's MY fault you don't get it.

OK.
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:10 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So it's MY fault you don't get it.

OK.


if you say so then it is.... zen is cool
tailgater Offline
#48 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:15 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
if you say so then it is.... zen is cool


every now and zen...
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#49 Posted: Tue, Oct 23 2012, 6:39 PM EST
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You must vote your heart, and head, except for Doc. He should vote whatever the wind tells him.
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#50 Posted: Wed, Oct 24 2012, 5:50 AM EST
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borndead1 wrote:
You know what's funny (or maybe sad...or both)? I hear the same argument from liberals and conservatives about Johnson. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama!", say the cons. "A vote for Johnson is a vote for Romney!", say the libs.



Where are you hangin' out at????


Those Dems be livid! I wanna see the circus too!
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