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HockeyDad Offline
#51 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 10:36 AM EST
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I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-shirt. 'Cause it says like, I wanna be formal but I’m here to party too. I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.
Brewha Offline
#52 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 10:47 AM EST
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I like to think of Jesus like a shapeshifter, or a changeling, like that guy--You ever hear of that TV show Manimal?
bloody spaniard Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 10:54 AM EST
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I'm sure Jesus is amused by our child-like observations.Wink
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 11:27 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Yes, the President being re-elected was for God's purpose, whatever that may be. I never once claimed that I knew what that purpose is. As I said in my posts, it could be to bless this nation, and it could be for the purpose of destroying this nation. I personally feel it's the later, but I'd be a fool to claim that I know the mind of God, and believe me, I hope he uses the President to once again bless this nation. But that's OK, if you folks want to ignore what I actually wrote, and twist it to fit what you want it to say, go right ahead. No skin off my back.

George wants to go outside. Grabbing an MB 3 and joining him, so blast away.


Maybe your god just thinks republicans are di#cks?
Religion isn't my thing, so I'm not so good at interpreting the actions of something I don't believe exists...

However, IF I were a person who believed that an omnipotent/omniscient being were purposely dictating the results of an election between two parties; and IF I believed that this omnipotent/omniscient being actually wanted what's best for me; THEN I'd have to come to the conclusion that either the policies or candidates that my party was supporting were in some way bad for me.

Honestly, I'd assume that anyone who really truly (as opposed to just giving lip service) believes that their god controls everything would switch parties to whatever side wins each election.... since their god made that person win....
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 11:32 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I'm sure Jesus is amused by our child-like observations.Wink


its his will
Brewha Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 11:42 AM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I'm sure Jesus is amused by our child-like observations.Wink

HD started it . . . . . .
dpnewell Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 12:40 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Maybe your god just thinks republicans are di#cks?
Religion isn't my thing, so I'm not so good at interpreting the actions of something I don't believe exists...

However, IF I were a person who believed that an omnipotent/omniscient being were purposely dictating the results of an election between two parties; and IF I believed that this omnipotent/omniscient being actually wanted what's best for me; THEN I'd have to come to the conclusion that either the policies or candidates that my party was supporting were in some way bad for me.

Honestly, I'd assume that anyone who really truly (as opposed to just giving lip service) believes that their god controls everything would switch parties to whatever side wins each election.... since their god made that person win....




Your argument is based on fallacies. I believe that God places our leaders in power FOR HIS PURPOSES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, because Scripture states it. Your assumption that who is president, or what happens to this country has anything to do with God taking care of His people is false. This was my sin on election night. Not trusting God to take my family and I through the next four years, though He had proved over and over again His faithfulness during the past four.

This country could go to hell tomorrow, or be destroyed in God's wrath and judgement, yet God will be faithful to His people through it all, even if it means talking them home to be with Him. Since sadly, this world is all you have, I know it's a hard concept for you to grasp.

Just because God placed the President in power, at this point in time, for His purpose, does not mean that God is pleased with the President, nor does it mean that His people where to vote that way. It would have been immoral for me to vote for the President, and doing so would have been sin.

I know none of this makes sense to you, and you think I'm nuts, but I understand. You have to have a regenerated spiritual mind to understand spiritual matters, and you just said you don't even believe god exists. May God give you His grace.

Paul, in I Corinthians 1:18 - 25 wrote:
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart." Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
HockeyDad Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:13 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
HD started it . . . . . .



The Lord moves in mysterious ways.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:15 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The Lord moves in mysterious ways.


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Brewha Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:38 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

You mean like teleporting?
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:39 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You mean like teleporting?


no. even he is not that advanced. he uses a segway like busa
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:49 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
no. even he is not that advanced. he uses a segway like busa


I always wondered how those things stayed upright. Must be all blessed by god.
leftyposthole Offline
#63 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:49 PM EST
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As a man who has been granted the saving grace of Jesus Christ I am called to spread the Gospel to any who will listen, most will not. I will treat you with respect and dignity regardless of your gender, skin color, sexual orientation etc. I am a sinner worse than most and am no better than anyone else. I don't know why He chose to save me but He did and I thank Him everyday for that. The greatest comandments are to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. Throughout history many socalled christians missed or ignored this part of the Gospel and treated nonbelievers with hate and disdain. That is NOT what the Gospel of Christ is all about, it is simply love, many of us have never know real love while growing up myself included and some have been to churches where they were looked down on, or felt very unwelcome, legalistic churches have chased many away from God, again myself included, that is not what the Gospel is about, its not ritualistic organized religion, its not, your welcome as long as you are like me or you do things our way, its a relationship with Christ pure and simple nothing else. You see I am a Christian but I am still a horrible sinner but He loves me anyway as He loves you. I pray you don't allow a painful experiance or your perception of unloving hateful so called religous folk, keep you from the loving open arms of Jesus. All are welcome, everyone, you don't need a pastor or a priest or anyone else to show you the way, just Christ. Sorry for sounding preachy, but it really is just that simple.
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:50 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
Your argument is based on fallacies. I believe that God places our leaders in power FOR HIS PURPOSES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE, because Scripture states it. Your assumption that who is president, or what happens to this country has anything to do with God taking care of His people is false. This was my sin on election night. Not trusting God to take my family and I through the next four years, though He had proved over and over again His faithfulness during the past four.

This country could go to hell tomorrow, or be destroyed in God's wrath and judgement, yet God will be faithful to His people through it all, even if it means talking them home to be with Him. Since sadly, this world is all you have, I know it's a hard concept for you to grasp.

Just because God placed the President in power, at this point in time, for His purpose, does not mean that God is pleased with the President, nor does it mean that His people where to vote that way. It would have been immoral for me to vote for the President, and doing so would have been sin.

I know none of this makes sense to you, and you think I'm nuts, but I understand. You have to have a regenerated spiritual mind to understand spiritual matters, and you just said you don't even believe god exists. May God give you His grace.





I can safely say I don't understand any of that. But, that's okay... as long as you're pretty sure you've got a plan and that you're happy with it, I can't argue.

Just don't make any plans for me. :)
victor809 Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:51 PM EST
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leftyposthole wrote:
Sorry for sounding preachy, but it really is just that simple.


no you're not... you wrote the whole thing and then hit post. If you were truly sorry for it, you would have erased it.

Damn sinners always lying to me.
Brewha Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 1:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
no. even he is not that advanced. he uses a segway like busa
Applause




Wow! You really do know a lot about God . . . . .

Can her really make a rock so big that he can’t lift it?
bloody spaniard Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 2:12 PM EST
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(threadjack on for a serious answer)

My religious opinion is that we have free will. We make choices & then have to live with the outcome. God, then decides whether to intercede (on our behalf) or not at all. His call. He sometimes lets us live with the ramifications of our actions. Why? I don't know. But I don't believe in a God that's vengeful. That's Old Testament. Jesus's death on the cross changed that.

(threadjack off)


...and to answer your question Pdx (from this thread?), no, I don't want Pat Robertson's photo as my avatar. I have nothing against the man and even supported him for a while back in the 80's, but I haven't watched his 700 Club in over a decade and his prophetic record has been very spotty to say the least. LOL
HockeyDad Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 2:15 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
But I don't believe in a God that's vengeful. That's Old Testament. Jesus's death on the cross changed that.



Unless the Jews were right.
bloody spaniard Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, Nov 9 2012, 2:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Unless the Jews were right.



(more serious religious threadjack)

They (Jews) believe in "the Law" (Old Testament). Many of us (Christians) believe in "Grace" (New Testament). Their salvation is gained by observance & strict obedience to the Ten Commandments, dietary, and other religious guidelines. They have to EARN salvation. Our salvation is granted "merely" by acceptance of Jesus as Savior. We sin of course & then ask for forgiveness and move on w/o guilt. Thanks to His ultimate sacrifice, our choice is easy, theirs is hard- very difficult & frustrating to live by. That is why some many Jews (and Old Testament fire & brismstone preachers & Christians- Swaggart etc.) give up & resort to secularism (and materialism) as a backup plan. They've given up.

(serious treadjack off)
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