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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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man... this is really gonna mess up the Big 12.... Sad
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
man... this is really gonna mess up the Big 12.... Sad



Yea I heard they will have to have less than 12 teams and stuff
teedubbya Offline
#53 Posted:
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At least the Texas national football team will be competitive on the world stage
GD320 Offline
#54 Posted:
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Can Illinois just suceed from Chicago?
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted:
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GD320 wrote:
Can Illinois just suceed from Chicago?


I'm sure chicago would be ok with that.
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GD320 wrote:
Can Illinois just suceed from Chicago?



Nothing exceeds like Chicago sucks seed.

Beer
DadZilla3 Offline
#57 Posted:
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I think I see the secessionist's game plan. By formally leaving the United States, not only will they be free from their present obligation to help support the federal government's profligate spending by sending their citizen's wealth off to Washington, after they leave the Union they can turn around and sign up for billions of dollars of foreign aid...all paid for by the wealthy, enlightened and progressive blue States who faithfully stayed behind.
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It turns out Americans wanting their states to secede weren’t just whistling Dixie.

The White House has received petitions from all 50 states – signed by nearly 750,000 citizens asking permission to secede from the United States. A White House spokesman did not return calls seeking comment.


The petitions were filed on the White House website’s “We the People” petition system. The Obama administration promises to respond to petitions that receive at least 25,000 signatures within 30 days. At least seven states – including Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina and Tennessee have met that threshold.

“This cake has been baking for a long time,” Daniel Miller, president of the Texas Nationalist Movement, told Politico. “It’s the Obama administration that put the candles on the cake and lit it for us.”

Nearly 100,000 citizens have signed the Texas petition. But the Lone Star State is not going anywhere, according to Republican Gov. Rick Perry.

“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it,” Perry spokesperson Catherine Frazier said in a statement to Fox News. “But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”

Miller called the governor’s statement “ambiguous.”

“The federal government is broken beyond all belief,” he told Politico. “There’s a political, cultural and economic gap, and the longer that we refuse to recognize that gap – the more states will put out to secede the Union.”

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Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley also rejected secessionist calls – noting in a statement to AL.com that while he understood frustrations with the federal government, he believed in “one nation under God.”

So can states legally secede from the United States?

Absolutely not, said Nicole Velasco, an assistant professor of political science at Lee University.

“Secession is both highly improbably and not particularly legal,” she told Fox News – citing an 1869 Supreme Court case – “Texas vs. White.”

“The Supreme Court very definitively said that when Texas joined the Union, they joined the Union on the basis of an indestructible union composed of indestructible states,” she said.

In that case, Chief Justice Salmon Chase wrote:

“When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

Velasco said the secession movement has even reached classrooms at Lee University.

“It’s been mentioned, but it’s been mentioned as something people are not taking very seriously,” she said.

But, the professor added, it certainly makes for good political theater.

The first petition was launched by a man identified as “Michael E”, a resident of Slidell, La.

“We petition the Obama administration to peacefully grant the state of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government,” he wrote, going on to quote from the Declaration of Independence.

The petitions have generated lots of debate on talk radio stations around the nation.

“It was a huge discussion,” said Bernadette Lee, the co-host of the morning show on KPEL in Lafayette, La. “It’s just been amazing that people are so interested in this.”

Lee told Fox News their listeners are divided over secession – but said many people are just “frustrated with the way things are working in this country.”

“I think they’re fed up with Congress, the Senate the President –with the whole system,” Lee said. “People really are just so fed up that something radical needs to be done.”

On the plus side, though, secession could result in a financial windfall for the Pelican State. Lee said her co-host received an email from a listener pointing out that Louisiana could probably get more federal money by being a foreign country – than being a state.

The calls for secession have also drawn some backlash. At least two petitions have been launched calling for citizens who signed the original petitions to be deported.

The San Francisco Chronicle published an editorial titled, “If They Want To Secede, Let ‘Em.”

The writer called signers of the petitions not-so-bright, foolish and knuckleheads.

“It’s barely been a week since President Obama’s re-election, and some people can’t believe, truly can’t believe, that things didn’t go their way,” wrote Caille Millner – suggesting Obama should “let these ungrateful states go.”

“My prediction? Absolute chaos in the Southern states as they realize we’re possessed of 85 percent of the country’s venture capital and entrepreneurs and two-thirds of the country’s tax revenue,” she wrote. “After several years of this experiment, my guess is that the Southern states will be begging to be let back into the Union.”


National unity aside, some Americans had other concerns about secession.

West Virginia resident Mick Stoehr told television station KSAT he was worried about the future of the Lone Star State.

“I don’t want to see Texas go,” he said. “I’m from West Virginia. We just joined the Big 12.”
wheelrite Offline
#59 Posted:
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It all sound cool in theory but there would be a few drawbacks,,,

in particular no more slutty yankee braods would come to TX,,,
victor809 Offline
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/14/Confederacy-of-dunces

Even Breitbart wants to "immediately mock and marginalize" the secessionists.

You know you've jumped the shark at that time.
DrafterX Offline
#61 Posted:
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I think they know it'll never happen.... they're just trying to make a statement.... knida like voting for a third party... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#62 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
It all sound cool in theory but there would be a few drawbacks,,,

in particular no more slutty yankee braods would come to TX,,,




Oh faaak...there goes the gene pool then!

Throw the "baby" out with the "bathwater"!!!!

Only 2 things come from Texas...steers and...horse
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I think they know it'll never happen.... they're just trying to make a statement.... knida like voting for a third party... Mellow


So you're saying all this blustering and whining is just to make a statement? There's no substance to it whatsoever? They're all just wasting my time and yours publicizing it over the interwebs and tvs?

Huh....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#64 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
So you're saying all this blustering and whining is just to make a statement? There's no substance to it whatsoever? They're all just wasting my time and yours publicizing it over the interwebs and tvs?

Huh....



The Freedom of "Free Speech" is lost on some. Doesn't really matter what someone says...they have a right to say it.


SCOREBOARD!
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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sort of reminds me of the drama queens in here that announce they are leaving because they have been wronged etc....

don't talk about it just do it nancy texas ranger
DrMaddVibe Offline
#66 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
sort of reminds me of the drama queens in here that announce they are leaving because they have been wronged etc....

don't talk about it just do it nancy texas ranger



Well...some have "done it" and some in here are either pleased or upset they did.

Whatever.

Some people like vanilla...some like strawberry...some like chocolate...some like neapolitan...meh.

Only queens we have in here play rubby or misquote the Chik-Fil-A slogan because they don't know it's meaning!
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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yea... some folks don't get the important stuff
watchurai Offline
#68 Posted:
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So, folks who are pissed at the way the government spends tax dollars signed a bunch of petitions that will likely have no ultimate effect at all, and sent them as a statement of their discontent to said Government for review, action, and consideration. Review, action, and consideration that will cost tax dollars to implement. 'Kay.

I guess the upside of it is, there are clear lists of who to bill for the costs incurred.
teedubbya Offline
#69 Posted:
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The stars at night - are big and bright
HockeyDad Offline
#70 Posted:
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Send them all to the camps.
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted:
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we're gonna need more camps..... Mellow
watchurai Offline
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Which costs money.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#73 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
we're gonna need more camps..... Mellow



Oh but we already got one!...HEHEHE...I told him we already got one!whip
pdxstogieman Offline
#74 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:
I think I see the secessionist's game plan. By formally leaving the United States, not only will they be free from their present obligation to help support the federal government's profligate spending by sending their citizen's wealth off to Washington, after they leave the Union they can turn around and sign up for billions of dollars of foreign aid...all paid for by the wealthy, enlightened and progressive blue States who faithfully stayed behind.



You and the idiots within states yammering about secession overlook the fact that those states are a net drain on taxpayers and wealth is being redistributed from the blue states into the red states for the most part.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-the-confederacy-of-takers/2012/11/13/d8adc7ee-2dd4-11e2-beb2-4b4cf5087636_story.html

Don't let the door hit you in the @ZZ on the way out.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#75 Posted:
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pdxstogieman wrote:
You and the idiots within states yammering about secession overlook the fact that those states are a net drain on taxpayers and wealth is being redistributed from the blue states into the red states for the most part.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-the-confederacy-of-takers/2012/11/13/d8adc7ee-2dd4-11e2-beb2-4b4cf5087636_story.html

Don't let the door hit you in the @ZZ on the way out.




Umm...you must live in one of those other 7 states the Kenyan King talks about because there's been claims in the other 50!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html


Red...blue...all pink on the inside!
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted:
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I SAID

the stars at night - are big and bright

DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted:
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Do.... Not.... Seek... the... Treasure....... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#78 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I SAID

the stars at night - are big and bright




Oh shut up...we all know you sleep on yer belly...ya big queer!
teedubbya Offline
#79 Posted:
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If I slept on my belly I'd be like a weeble
DrMaddVibe Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
If I slept on my belly I'd be like a weeble



a virgin weeble at that...you love the action...admit it.
teedubbya Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
a virgin weeble at that...you love the action...admit it.


who wouldn't?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#82 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
who wouldn't?



a rubby player? I dunno..Think
teedubbya Offline
#83 Posted:
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when I get really horney I like to stick my finger in my belly button
pdxstogieman Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Umm...you must live in one of those other 7 states the Kenyan King talks about because there's been claims in the other 50!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html


Red...blue...all pink on the inside!



There are a minimum of 25000 idiots in every state, just a lot more in the red states. Read the article you linked. Most of the content is the elected leadership of states with most of the BS secession delusionists saying it's a non-starter (understatement). Not even worth serious discussion except for ridiculing the morons who want to take that ride.

DrafterX Offline
#85 Posted:
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pdxstogieman wrote:
There are a minimum of 25000 idiots in every state, just a lot more in the red states.



did you snopes that..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#86 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
did you snopes that..?? Huh


Why would you need to?
If you estimate intelligence falls on a bell curve, it's easy to see how the bottom 0.1% of any population would likely fall under the description of "idiot".
DrafterX Offline
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that would explain idiots in every state... it's the 'more in the red states' that puzzeled me.... Think
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
that would explain idiots in every state... it's the 'more in the red states' that puzzeled me.... Think


Well... red states do have the lowest education levels. I suppose we could go with that....
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Frying pan
victor809 wrote:
Well... red states do have the lowest education levels. I suppose we could go with that....

DrafterX Offline
#90 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Well... red states do have the lowest education levels. I suppose we could go with that....



and what do you base that statement on..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
and what do you base that statement on..?? Huh



His good looks!!!!Frying pan
victor809 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
and what do you base that statement on..?? Huh

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html

The "Below Average" and "Far Below Average" read like a who's who of states where the secession petitions are....
DrafterX Offline
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ok... just for fun:
Texas (Red)................ 31
Louisiana (Red)............ 48
Florida (Blue)................ 11
Georgia (Red)............... 19
Alabama (Red).............. 47
North Carolina (Red)...... 36
Tennessee (Red) ............ 23


Think
Interesting also if you consider SEC football... Laugh
victor809 Offline
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Although I do have to admit I'm surprised Kansas "We don't need no stinkin sciencing" managed to finish at average....
DadZilla3 Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
who's gonna be da President of Texas..?? Huh

Bush was governor there once upon a time...
DadZilla3 Offline
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pdxstogieman wrote:
You and the idiots within states yammering about secession overlook the fact that those states are a net drain on taxpayers and wealth is being redistributed from the blue states into the red states for the most part.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-the-confederacy-of-takers/2012/11/13/d8adc7ee-2dd4-11e2-beb2-4b4cf5087636_story.html

Don't let the door hit you in the @ZZ on the way out.


Good one. I'll play too.

Don't let the toilet seat hit you on the head while you drink deeply of socialism, you and the idiots who refuse to see the level of national discontent with ObaMao's presidency.
teedubbya Offline
#97 Posted:
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DadZilla3 wrote:

you and the idiots who refuse to see the level of national discontent with ObaMao's presidency.


Every 4 years or so we measure that. We just measured that, it was a landslide. Scoreboard!
DrafterX Offline
#98 Posted:
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And the landslide brought me down.... Sad
wheelrite Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Every 4 years or so we measure that. We just measured that, it was a landslide. Scoreboard!


51% is not a landslide,,

except at your Bath house...

or is that a pig pile ?

d'oh!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#100 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
51% is not a landslide,,

except at your Bath house...

or is that a pig pile ?

d'oh!



No $hit.
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