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HockeyDad Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 8:06 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
True that America has too many sheeple . . . .

But the French calling the Americans soft?

Where are my freedoms fries?



Don't like being called soft......why don't you ask your government to do something about it. You already surrendered your rights because the risk was greater than the reward.

Want some freedom fries? Perhaps your government will give you some if it doesn't deem them to be too unhealthy for you.

In the meantime, why don't you just sit down and knit me some nice wool socks and fix me a sammich!
DrafterX Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 9:14 AM EST
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I could sure use a sammich..... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 10:10 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Don't like being called soft......why don't you ask your government to do something about it. You already surrendered your rights because the risk was greater than the reward.

Want some freedom fries? Perhaps your government will give you some if it doesn't deem them to be too unhealthy for you.

In the meantime, why don't you just sit down and knit me some nice wool socks and fix me a sammich!

I think someone has had a little too much Grey Poupon . . .



HD, don’t spin in your Bordeaux. How you confuse laws that govern and protect a society as a loss of rights, points to the same kind of overly simplified and not thought out ‘small government ‘ crap I hear all the time. And it’s nothing but whining.

Despite all your rage, you’re still just rat(atouille) in a cage.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 10:12 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think someone has had a little too much Grey Poupon . . .



HD, don’t spin in your Bordeaux. How you confuse laws that govern and protect a society as a loss of rights, points to the same kind of overly simplified and not thought out ‘small government ‘ crap I hear all the time. And it’s nothing but whining.

Despite all your rage, you’re still just rat(atouille) in a cage.



Boo hoo...somebody didn't get their lil' Obamaphone!
HockeyDad Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 10:26 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
HD, don’t spin in your Bordeaux. How you confuse laws that govern and protect a society as a loss of rights, points to the same kind of overly simplified and not thought out ‘small government ‘ crap I hear all the time. And it’s nothing but whining.

Despite all your rage, you’re still just rat(atouille) in a cage.



Looks like Mr Softy is trying to change topics. There is no such thing as "small government". The only question is how dependent you are on it.

You volunteer to be a dependent and as such don't really need any rights. The government will take care of you by giving you laws that govern and protect society. I mean, probably they will.
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 11:25 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
I think that the military is made up of a lot of the "good ol' boys" we speak of. The vast majority are conservative thinkers.

I'd like to believe that if the gov't ever tried to use the military against its own people, they wouldn't comply.


I think that was explicitly stated, we would be dependent on disobedience within the military...

That is significantly different from the original concept behind the 2nd amendment, where the people would be a force more powerful than the military.

As for numbers, remember, not all gun owners have the same purpose. An "uprising" would only constitute a certain percentage of all gun owners. Addiiotnally, they would need to all communicate together to organize. that cuts down the percentage as well. Given established communication, command/control structure within the existing military, and extensive capabilities to deploy around the nation, kill rates of military to civilian uprisings would be absolutely outstanding... They would have the ability to drop overwhelming force wherever necessary, pull it back and deploy it again...

This isn't the mountains of afghanistan... there are significant airports and roads going just about anywhere of importance.
TMCTLT Offline
#57 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 4:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I think that was explicitly stated, we would be dependent on disobedience within the military...

That is significantly different from the original concept behind the 2nd amendment, where the people would be a force more powerful than the military.

As for numbers, remember, not all gun owners have the same purpose. An "uprising" would only constitute a certain percentage of all gun owners. Addiiotnally, they would need to all communicate together to organize. that cuts down the percentage as well. Given established communication, command/control structure within the existing military, and extensive capabilities to deploy around the nation, kill rates of military to civilian uprisings would be absolutely outstanding... They would have the ability to drop overwhelming force wherever necessary, pull it back and deploy it again...

This isn't the mountains of afghanistan... there are significant airports and roads going just about anywhere of importance.



Three things you left out Victor....(1) We the People have NO rules of engagement (half the reason we lose as many men / women as we do in our military). (2) Our military has been "Out of Country for so long, we know it better than they do....(3) I think you SERIOUSLY underestimate the resolve of most Americans


And one thing in what you wrote concerns me:



[quote=victor809]

kill rates of military to civilian uprisings would be absolutely outstanding....
Absolutely outstanding huh???

You really ARE FUCKED UP!!!!.
ZRX1200 Offline
#58 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 4:40 PM EST
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Hr probably meant ASTOUNDING.
victor809 Offline
#59 Posted: Mon, Feb 4 2013, 4:49 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Three things you left out Victor....(1) We the People have NO rules of engagement (half the reason we lose as many men / women as we do in our military).

So we'd have 20 different factions of uprising, all based around slightly different ideology, and no rules of engagement... wonderful. We'll be shooting each other just as much as the "enemy".

Quote:

(2) Our military has been "Out of Country for so long, we know it better than they do....

It isn't the backhills you try to control. Cities and means of production. That doesn't require "knowing the land".

Quote:

(3) I think you SERIOUSLY underestimate the resolve of most Americans

And I think a lot of people seriously overestimate it. I'm a pessimist I suppose.


Quote:

Absolutely outstanding huh???

You really ARE ****ED UP!!!!.


Yes, outstanding. As in "Outstanding job on managing to kill all those rebels LT. Briggs, while only losing 10 of your own men."... I'm assuming that would be the phrase used as a medal is pinned to his chest.

Your, or anyone elses (including my own) choice to rebel against the government isn't going to change their means of measuring success....
DrMaddVibe Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 8:39 AM EST
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It's the Bloods vs the Crips...or in Georgetown it's the Plaids vs the Stripes!

Rubby powah!
dpnewell Offline
#61 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:23 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Sounds like it would make a great movie. Say, could one of the sheep herders have a robot friend?


You got Star Wars out of that, eh? Check out "The Beast" from 1988. A little more relevant to my post.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Feb 5 2013, 10:44 AM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
You got Star Wars out of that, eh? Check out "The Beast" from 1988. A little more relevant to my post.



Is that the one with the Soviet tank crew?
Brewha Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:10 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Looks like Mr Softy is trying to change topics. There is no such thing as "small government". The only question is how dependent you are on it.

You volunteer to be a dependent and as such don't really need any rights. The government will take care of you by giving you laws that govern and protect society. I mean, probably they will.

HD, you just won't admit it will you?
It takes a village . . . .
Brewha Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:24 PM EST
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dpnewell wrote:
You got Star Wars out of that, eh? Check out "The Beast" from 1988. A little more relevant to my post.

Hmmmmm

I get the gist of it. It just seemed over dramatized, hence the sarcasm.

‘The Beast’ looks interesting from the description. But I suspect I would like the plot of ‘The Unforgiven’ more. I think it has more to say.
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:38 PM EST
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Wild Bill wouldn't even let them carry guns for snakes and such...... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Feb 6 2013, 3:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Wild Bill wouldn't even let them carry guns for snakes and such...... Mellow

No, (little) Bill was too busy with the Duck of Death to let others have guns . . . .
TimFusco Offline
#67 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 8:38 PM EST
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I think the Founding Fathers saw the importance of the 2nd...it is concise, no additional caveats,"...shall not be infringed". If I remember correctly it is the only inanimate object directly addressed by them in the Bill of Rights…they seem to recognize the import of what they were communicating.
engletl Offline
#68 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 10:34 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Is that the one with the Soviet tank crew?


Yes it was
wheelrite Offline
#69 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 10:43 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
No, (little) Bill was too busy with the Duck of Death to let others have guns . . . .


little Bill got it in the end !!

Btw,,
whores with slash scars are hot,,,
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 10:51 PM EST
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I heard they cut off her teats...but she still offered pokes.. Mellow
wheelrite Offline
#71 Posted: Sun, Feb 10 2013, 11:31 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard they cut off her teats...but she still offered pokes.. Mellow


ok,
it was the old west and pusssy was rare and sold at a premium...

supply and demand and all,,,
steve02 Offline
#72 Posted: Mon, Feb 11 2013, 12:08 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
yes...you can make a brooch...a pterodactyl...oh look...a sale at Penny's!


I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue....
steve02 Offline
#73 Posted: Mon, Feb 11 2013, 12:09 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Wild Bill wouldn't even let them carry guns for snakes and such...... Mellow


Wrong movie - that was from Josey Wales, not Unforgiven
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