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Poll Question : Which direction should the GOP go?
Choice Votes Statistics
No need to change the course. 2 6 %
Go with a more moderate figures (Gov. Christie) 0 0 %
Go full on Tea Party. 14 45 %
Become more conservative 1 3 %
Become less conservative 2 6 %
Arm everyone for end times battle. 1 3 %
Pray 1 3 %
Other 10 32 %
Total 31 100%

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Which direction should the GOP go?
TMCTLT Offline
#51 Posted:
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tegulator wrote:
This is apropos...

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/race-baiting-godlessness-and-elitists-at-gop-s-cpac-20130315



Apropos......only if you believe that Dribble, I'm not at all surprised this is the best you can put forth.....

A C&P from some left leaning columnist. I'm absolutely disgusted that BOTH parties would and will do all they can to insure that millions of Illegal immigrants can participate in OUR elections!!!!

P h u c k Amnesty.....
tegulator Offline
#52 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Apropos......only if you believe that Dribble, I'm not at all surprised this is the best you can put forth.....

A C&P from some left leaning columnist. I'm absolutely disgusted that BOTH parties would and will do all they can to insure that millions of Illegal immigrants can participate in OUR elections!!!!

P h u c k Amnesty.....


Gosh, you certainly know how to have a discussion...especially by refusing to admit that different viewpoints aren't valid at all. What a welcoming climate! But I can't say that without garnering cries of "boo-hoo!" from some of you, because you already have it all figured out. I wasn't putting forth those viewpoints as my own (which, again, you have incorrectly assumed), but you're kidding yourself if you think the Republican Party doesn't have a crisis of identity--hence the purpose for this thread in the first place. If you want to hide behind a "grassroots" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists and makes the center more friendly to the Left by default. But go to your rallies and cry the old nativist cries...that's clearly worked in the past.
ZRX1200 Offline
#53 Posted:
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" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists"

Yeah..........ok.
tegulator Offline
#54 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
" movement with thinly-veiled racism, then go ahead. The Tea Party is the best thing the Democrats could have hoped for because it makes the Republicans look like a bunch of ignorant, violent, racists"

Yeah..........ok.


Take your pick...but I'm already wrong and/or you won't acknowledge the legitimacy of one or more of these...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/tea-party-election-results_n_2084506.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinion/zelizer-tea-party

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/the_tea_party_lost_big_on_election_night_and_must_now_work_with_gop_to_bounce.html

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/tea-partys-national-ambitions-are-finished/58790/
borndead1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Posts: 5,216
tegulator wrote:
Take your pick...but I'm already wrong and/or you won't acknowledge the legitimacy of one or more of these...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/tea-party-election-results_n_2084506.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinion/zelizer-tea-party

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/the_tea_party_lost_big_on_election_night_and_must_now_work_with_gop_to_bounce.html

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/tea-partys-national-ambitions-are-finished/58790/



http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/249902/study-tea-party-not-racist

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/04/black-political-activists-tea-party-racist/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38303950/ns/politics/


Yay! Google is fun! BigGrin
tegulator Offline
#56 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:

Yay! Google is fun! BigGrin


It most certainly is, especially when statistically-verifiable data can be used to support one's assertions.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html
tegulator Offline
#57 Posted:
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Especially important:

"Since the public has become aware of the data, several people have come forward to challenge our initial findings, specifically, that supporters of the Tea Party appear racially intolerant. A principal charge, one not without intellectual merit, is that the observed relationship between support for the Tea Party and racial resentment is more about the relatively conservative politics of Tea Partiers than racism. Indeed, conservatives tend to believe in a small government, one that doesn't do much to help people who, they believe, should make an effort to do for themselves. This is certainly a legitimate view; it's one to which many Americans have adhered from the beginning of the Republic. In short, some of our critics charge that, instead of the racism we observe associated with support for the Tea Party, we're merely observing Tea Partiers' conservatism at work. In other words, support for the Tea Party, they suggest, is simply a proxy for conservatism.

To address this issue, we turn to regression, a statistical technique that allows analysts to tease out how one variable affects another. This is important because it permits us to account for the presence of other variables that may also affect the outcome while isolating the impact of the effect of the variable of interest on the result. So, in this case, if support for the Tea Party is truly a proxy for conservatism, the relationship between racial resentment and support for the Tea Party should evaporate once we control for conservatism. Otherwise, there's something else going on with support for the Tea Party; it's not just conservatism. To make things a little easier, we combined all of the items (questions) that comprise racial resentment, making them into a scale.

As the figure shows, even as we account for conservatism and partisanship, support for the Tea Party remains a valid predictor of racial resentment. We're not saying that ideology isn't important, because it is: as people become more conservative, it increases by 23 percent the chance that they're racially resentful. Also, Democrats are 15 percent less likely than Republicans to be racially resentful. Even so, support for the Tea Party makes one 25 percent more likely to be racially resentful than those who don't support the Tea Party.

Similar results obtain for racial profiling and the ability for authorities to detain people without putting them on trial. Again, controlling for ideology (conservatism) and partisanship, support for the Tea Party increases the probability that individuals agree that it's okay to “racially profile someone on account of their race or religion” by approximately 27 percent. Support for the Tea Party also increases the probability, by 28 percent, that the authorities should have ability to detain individuals without being charged, for as long as authorities like. Of course, in both cases, conservatism also matters: increasing the likelihood that people will agree with racial profiling and indefinite detention by 30 and 33 percent, respectively."
borndead1 Offline
#58 Posted:
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tegulator wrote:
It most certainly is, especially when statistically-verifiable data can be used to support one's assertions.

http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html



So do you acknowledge the legitimacy of the links I posted?


How would you explain Black supremacists and "La Raza" type groups who vote Democrat? Are they the liberal version of the Tea Party, or can they not be considered liberal since they are socially conservative? Does the number of racists who vote Democrat cancel out the number of racists in the Tea Party?



P.S. Did your screen name used to be FuzzNJ?
pdxstogieman Offline
#59 Posted:
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Gene363 wrote:
A real conservative understands the government should mind it's collective business and stay out of religious, medical, abortion and marriage issues. This requires an "Other' answer.



My God, I think I agree with you. The trouble is there are no "real conservatives" in positions of power in the GOP. Nor will there ever be, because the religious right has forced any candidates to pass "christian" litmus tests before they'll ever get endorsed. I might add that a real conservative wouldn't be pushing to maintain a defense budget of $700B +.
ZRX1200 Offline
#60 Posted:
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RACIST BASSTURDS!!!
horse
tegulator Offline
#61 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
So do you acknowledge the legitimacy of the links I posted?

How would you explain Black supremacists and "La Raza" type groups who vote Democrat? Are they the liberal version of the Tea Party, or can they not be considered liberal since they are socially conservative? Does the number of racists who vote Democrat cancel out the number of racists in the Tea Party?

P.S. Did your screen name used to be FuzzNJ?


What the news sources post is all "legitimate," in that they've said it and people believe it. Supporting what you've said with either proper argumentation or data is another story.

I'm not trying to explain or support either the black supremacists or La Raza. I'm talking about the Tea Party. I'm also not trying to justify what the Democrats do, they've got their own set of problems.

Nope, you must have me confused! Gonz
borndead1 Offline
#62 Posted:
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tegulator wrote:
What the news sources post is all "legitimate," in that they've said it and people believe it. Supporting what you've said with either proper argumentation or data is another story.



News sources/articles that you post: Legitimate

News sources that others post: Questionable


Got it.


Something interesting I noticed in the article you posted and highlighted portions of.

The words "support for the Tea Party" were used. "Support for" the Tea Party is not the same thing as being an active member of a Tea Party group. I am friends with some people who are in the biggest Tea Party group in CA. They have several Black and Latino members. Recently the group had a discussion on what their "official" position on gay marriage should be. They determined that they should have no official opinion, and that government should stay out of people's marriages.

I'm not necessarily defending the Tea Party. I think too many social conservatives and RINOs have joined their ranks. But, as with all politics, opinions on specific things differ even among groups of "like-minded" people, usually depending on which area of the country they are in. A lot more Arizona residents will have a negative view of illegal immigrants than will residents of, say, New Hampshire.
tegulator Offline
#63 Posted:
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borndead1 wrote:
News sources/articles that you post: Legitimate

News sources that others post: Questionable


Got it.



No, that's not what I meant. I meant that news agencies that rely off pundit's hunches aren't as reliable as quantifiable data.

borndead1 wrote:
Something interesting I noticed in the article you posted and highlighted portions of.

The words "support for the Tea Party" were used. "Support for" the Tea Party is not the same thing as being an active member of a Tea Party group. I am friends with some people who are in the biggest Tea Party group in CA. They have several Black and Latino members. Recently the group had a discussion on what their "official" position on gay marriage should be. They determined that they should have no official opinion, and that government should stay out of people's marriages.

I'm not necessarily defending the Tea Party. I think too many social conservatives and RINOs have joined their ranks. But, as with all politics, opinions on specific things differ even among groups of "like-minded" people, usually depending on which area of the country they are in. A lot more Arizona residents will have a negative view of illegal immigrants than will residents of, say, New Hampshire.


You're correct that "support" =/= active member, but the study itself found that *mere* "support" of the Tea Party *does* entail a 25% increase in terms of the likelihood of racial resentment. If we took your line of argument to its logical conclusion then that would mean that the probability of racial resentment in the Tea Party's *active members* would be higher than 25%. I know that's not what you mean, though.

I'm sure there are racial minorities in the Tea Party, I never suggested there weren't.
HockeyDad Offline
#64 Posted:
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It doesn't matter which way the GOP goes.

Democrats and Republicans equally share the blame for creating the Big Government Bubble that is now firmly entrenched. People now completely depend on it so it is not going away. There is not going to be 30 years of austerity to fix the nation. No generation has the fortitude to do it.

When the bubble pops, the USA is done. It will be loud. It will be violent. A few other countries will get taken out in the process. What the USA has going for it is the greatest military on the planet. It will be used to delay the bubble pop at a few other nations expense but it will only delay it.
teedubbya Offline
#65 Posted:
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In related news the sky is falling.
HockeyDad Offline
#66 Posted:
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Posts: 46,156
teedubbya wrote:
In related news the sky is falling.



No it is not.

All ponzi schemes must come to an end. The trick is not to be on the last rung of the ladder. For the participants, we need to encourage new members and maybe we can even kept this thing going past our lifetimes.

Personally, I intend to sell fiddles to some and torch & pitchfork sets to others. All major credit cards accepted.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#67 Posted:
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Posts: 55,489
tegulator wrote:
What the news sources post is all "legitimate," in that they've said it and people believe it. Supporting what you've said with either proper argumentation or data is another story.

I'm not trying to explain or support either the black supremacists or La Raza. I'm talking about the Tea Party. I'm also not trying to justify what the Democrats do, they've got their own set of problems.

Nope, you must have me confused! Gonz



No...Myself and it appears a few others are catching on.

Get back in the kitchen and bake up some snickerdoodles...finish up the laundy and check back in for that 4 credit per semester whatever degree you're going for Fuzz...leave the "internettin'" to the adults.
tegulator Offline
#68 Posted:
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We get it, DMV, you're edgy. That doesn't mean you're correct.
Brewha Offline
#69 Posted:
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Well, it's like in the Army, you know the great Prince issues commands , founds states, vests families with fiefs, inferior people should not be employed.
Buckwheat Offline
#70 Posted:
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Well it looks like this post pretty much achieved my goal of getting everyone pissed off with each other. Easier than giving away a full box of aged cuban smokes. But not really as satisfying.

I say "other". I think that now would be a good time to have a return of an old political party. To he l l with #40!

I say get back to TR and the Bull Moose/Progressive Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912).

There is a reason that he is on Rushmore.
Herfing

HockeyDad Offline
#71 Posted:
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There will be no new party. The people have spoken and got what they asked for.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#72 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
HockeyDad wrote:
There will be no new party. The people have spoken and got what they asked for.



TRUE DAT HOMES!


Obamaphone...he gonna put gas in my car...he gonna pay my mortgage...If I helps him...he's gonna help me...ObamaCare...buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun...dey's gonna put us all BACK in chains!
pdxstogieman Offline
#73 Posted:
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The GOP will just keep digging the same hole deeper thinking sooner or later they'll come out the other side.
ZRX1200 Offline
#74 Posted:
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PDX do you read alot of "GOP leadership is so great" anywhere? Both partied are phuked, Dems aren't cannibals like Repubs though....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_FDjDwNygM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
drywalldog Offline
#75 Posted:
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And the so called third party has two candidates. That idea to split up the rights votes between three factions was brilliant.
HockeyDad Offline
#76 Posted:
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Posts: 46,156
drywalldog wrote:
And the so called third party has two candidates. That idea to split up the rights votes between three factions was brilliant.



It works perfect. It maintains the status quo.
bloody spaniard Offline
#77 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
HockeyDad wrote:
It works perfect. It maintains the status quo.



You say that like it's a bad thing.
Some day we will look back on these days as the good ole days when the economy was much better and our individual rights were sacrosanct.BigGrin
HockeyDad Offline
#78 Posted:
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Posts: 46,156
bloody spaniard wrote:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Some day we will look back on these days as the good ole days when the economy was much better and our individual rights were sacrosanct.BigGrin



Without a doubt. Maintaining the status quo guarantees we will one day look back on the USA in this manner.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#79 Posted:
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There's nothing better than seeing Ft. Riley disappear from view in your mirrors as you head east!
HockeyDad Offline
#80 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
There's nothing better than seeing Ft. Riley disappear from view in your mirrors as you head east!



Except maybe flying over it at 39000 ft!
jpotts Offline
#81 Posted:
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Posts: 28,811
tegulator wrote:
Especially important:

"Since the public has become aware of the data, several people have come forward to challenge our initial findings, specifically, that supporters of the Tea Party appear racially intolerant. A principal charge, one not without intellectual merit, is that the observed relationship between support for the Tea Party and racial resentment is more about the relatively conservative politics of Tea Partiers than racism. Indeed, conservatives tend to believe in a small government, one that doesn't do much to help people who, they believe, should make an effort to do for themselves. This is certainly a legitimate view; it's one to which many Americans have adhered from the beginning of the Republic. In short, some of our critics charge that, instead of the racism we observe associated with support for the Tea Party, we're merely observing Tea Partiers' conservatism at work. In other words, support for the Tea Party, they suggest, is simply a proxy for conservatism.

To address this issue, we turn to regression, a statistical technique that allows analysts to tease out how one variable affects another. This is important because it permits us to account for the presence of other variables that may also affect the outcome while isolating the impact of the effect of the variable of interest on the result. So, in this case, if support for the Tea Party is truly a proxy for conservatism, the relationship between racial resentment and support for the Tea Party should evaporate once we control for conservatism. Otherwise, there's something else going on with support for the Tea Party; it's not just conservatism. To make things a little easier, we combined all of the items (questions) that comprise racial resentment, making them into a scale.

As the figure shows, even as we account for conservatism and partisanship, support for the Tea Party remains a valid predictor of racial resentment. We're not saying that ideology isn't important, because it is: as people become more conservative, it increases by 23 percent the chance that they're racially resentful. Also, Democrats are 15 percent less likely than Republicans to be racially resentful. Even so, support for the Tea Party makes one 25 percent more likely to be racially resentful than those who don't support the Tea Party.

Similar results obtain for racial profiling and the ability for authorities to detain people without putting them on trial. Again, controlling for ideology (conservatism) and partisanship, support for the Tea Party increases the probability that individuals agree that it's okay to “racially profile someone on account of their race or religion” by approximately 27 percent. Support for the Tea Party also increases the probability, by 28 percent, that the authorities should have ability to detain individuals without being charged, for as long as authorities like. Of course, in both cases, conservatism also matters: increasing the likelihood that people will agree with racial profiling and indefinite detention by 30 and 33 percent, respectively."



This is probably one of the biggest piles of BS I have ever seen.

I've seen black Democrats at Tea Party rallies, railing about the deficit.

The only reason why liberal notjobs claim that the Tea party is racist is because they have nothing else to throw at them. Liberals only like populist movements when it pushes the nation towards socialism. And that's what this whole Tea Party thing is about - a populist uprising.

You really need to put down the liberal rags. Much of the information they print is just flat-out wrong, and it is skewed politically in a way that would make Gobbels blush.

And yeah, it is OK to racially profile someone. If the police are in an all-black neighborhood, tracking down a white suspect, I really sure as h*ll don't expect them to pull over an equal number of blacks, whites, and orientals just to satisfy some unhinged, braindead liberal hair-trigger social need for "equity." I expect them to follow the white guy, and ask him why he's hanging out in a black neighborhood.

And yeah, it all because of "racial profiling" that the TSA is feeling up a white great-grandmother and orthodox Jews because they can be potential Muslim terrorists! Man, you've SO figured it out!

Seriously. Get your head out of your a**. You'll get neck cramps...

jpotts Offline
#82 Posted:
Joined: 06-14-2006
Posts: 28,811
Buckwheat wrote:
Well it looks like this post pretty much achieved my goal of getting everyone pissed off with each other. Easier than giving away a full box of aged cuban smokes. But not really as satisfying.

I say "other". I think that now would be a good time to have a return of an old political party. To he l l with #40!

I say get back to TR and the Bull Moose/Progressive Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912).

There is a reason that he is on Rushmore.
Herfing



What do you think the Democrat party is? It is a progressive party.

You've gotten your wish.
pdxstogieman Offline
#83 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 5,219
ZRX1200 wrote:
PDX do you read alot of "GOP leadership is so great" anywhere? Both partied are phuked, Dems aren't cannibals like Repubs though....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_FDjDwNygM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


I have proffered my opinion on the subject the thread was raised about. I'm pretty sure my post didn't include any mention that anyone on this thread was saying great things about repubelickin leadership.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#84 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
pdxstogieman wrote:
I have proffered my opinion on the subject the thread was raised about. I'm pretty sure my post didn't include any mention that anyone on this thread was saying great things about repubelickin leadership.



If your opinion on Politics is anything like yours on Cigars...you should staple your mouth shut!
tegulator Offline
#85 Posted:
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Posts: 347
jpotts wrote:
This is probably one of the biggest piles of BS I have ever seen.


Albeit a statistically verified pile. Good thing your anonymous authority trumps data.

jpotts wrote:
I've seen black Democrats at Tea Party rallies, railing about the deficit.


I'm sure there are African Americans at the rallies, and I'm sure you've seen them, but you just have your observations; I have data...let the anti-intellectualism continue.

jpotts wrote:
The only reason why liberal notjobs claim that the Tea party is racist is because they have nothing else to throw at them. Liberals only like populist movements when it pushes the nation towards socialism. And that's what this whole Tea Party thing is about - a populist uprising.


Keep throwing around the Koch-fueled talking points. Astroturfing...

jpotts wrote:
You really need to put down the liberal rags. Much of the information they print is just flat-out wrong, and it is skewed politically in a way that would make Gobbels blush.


I don't read the "liberal rags." It's also not a fair comparison to compare the American media to Nazi Germany's, but it *is* trite, congratulations.

jpotts wrote:
And yeah, it is OK to racially profile someone.


You must be in a demographic that is not usually profiled.

jpotts wrote:
If the police are in an all-black neighborhood, tracking down a white suspect, I really sure as h*ll don't expect them to pull over an equal number of blacks, whites, and orientals just to satisfy some unhinged, braindead liberal hair-trigger social need for "equity." I expect them to follow the white guy, and ask him why he's hanging out in a black neighborhood.


This is a caricature of the anti-racial profiling position.

jpotts wrote:
And yeah, it all because of "racial profiling" that the TSA is feeling up a white great-grandmother and orthodox Jews because they can be potential Muslim terrorists! Man, you've SO figured it out!


The TSA has its own problems, the first of which is existing. I fail to see how a point I did not make means my worldview is mistaken.

jpotts wrote:
Seriously. Get your head out of your a**. You'll get neck cramps...


If I do get cramps will you rub them out for me?
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#86 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Personally, I intend to sell fiddles to some and torch & pitchfork sets to others. All major credit cards accepted.


Remember, you didn't build that yourself. Shame on you
pdxstogieman Offline
#87 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 5,219
DrMaddVibe wrote:
If your opinion on Politics is anything like yours on Cigars...you should staple your mouth shut!


I'm sure your lips never stop moving long enough to do that yourself.
pdxstogieman Offline
#88 Posted:
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Further to the theory that the direction the GOP has chosen is to keep digging the hole they're in deeper. Maybe Republican leadership should watch that old Seinfeld episode where George Costanza decides to do everything the opposite of what George would do, and everything starts going better.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/opinion/blow-the-gops-bachmann-problem.html?ref=charlesmblow&_r=2&

Op-Ed Columnist
The G.O.P.’s Bachmann ProblemBy CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: March 22, 2013
The current intramural squabbling on the right is just too delicious for words. At least for nice words.

Senator John McCain called the far-right darlings Senator Rand Paul, Senator Ted Cruz and Representative Justin Amash “wacko birds” earlier this month. (McCain later apologized for that burst of honesty and candor.)

Ann Coulter used her Conservative Political Action Conference speech to take a shot at New Jersey’s governor, Chris Christie, who was not invited to speak this year. Coulter quipped: “Even CPAC had to cut back on its speakers this year, by about 300 pounds.” What a lovely woman.

Also at CPAC, the half-term ex-governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, took a whack at Karl Rove, challenging him to run for office himself. “Buck up or stay in the truck,” she said with her usual Shakespearean eloquence. Rove shot back that if he were to run and win, he’d at least finish his term. Ouch.

Donald Trump took to Twitter recently to call the conservative blogger Michelle Malkin a “dummy” who was “born stupid.” It’s hard to know whom to side with when two bullies battle.

But all this name-calling, as fun as it is to watch, is just a sideshow. The main show is the underlying agitation.

The Republican Party is experiencing an existential crisis, born of its own misguided incongruity with modern American culture and its insistence on choosing intransigence in a dynamic age of fundamental change. Instead of turning away from obsolescence, it is charging headlong into it, becoming more strident and pushing away more voters whom it could otherwise win.

Andrew Kohut, the founding director of the Pew Research Center, pointed out in The Washington Post on Friday that the party’s ratings “now stand at a 20-year low,” and that is in part because “the outsize influence of hard-line elements in the party base is doing to the G.O.P. what supporters of Gene McCarthy and George McGovern did to the Democratic Party in the late 1960s and early 1970s — radicalizing its image and standing in the way of its revitalization.”

And too many of those hard-liners have a near-allergic reaction to the truth.

A prime example is Michele Bachmann, the person who convened the Tea Party Caucus in Congress and a Republican candidate for president last year.

She burst back on the scene with a string of lies and half-truths that could have drawn a tsk tsk from Tom Sawyer.

PolitiFact rated two of her claims during her CPAC speech last Saturday as “pants on fire” false. The first was that 70 cents of every dollar that’s supposed to go to the poor actually goes to salaries and pensions of bureaucrats. The second was that scientists could have a cure for Alzheimer’s in 10 years if it were not for “a cadre of overzealous regulators, excessive taxation and greedy litigators.”

She also said during that speech that President Obama was living “a lifestyle that is one of excess” in the White House, detailing how many chefs he had, and so on.

The Washington Post gave that claim four Pinocchios, and pointed out that “during last year’s G.O.P. presidential race, Bachmann racked up the highest ratio of Four-Pinocchio comments, so just about everything she says needs to be checked and double-checked before it is reported.”

And in a speech Thursday on the House floor, she said of the federal health care law:

“The American people, especially vulnerable women, vulnerable children, vulnerable senior citizens, now get to pay more and they get less. That’s why we’re here, because we’re saying let’s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens.”

Factcheck.org pointed out that her “facts” didn’t match her hyperbole.

Last year The Washington Post quoted Jim Drinkard, who oversees fact-checking at The Associated Press, as saying, “We had to have a self-imposed Michele Bachmann quota in some of those debates.”

It’s sad when you are so fact-challenged that you burn out the fact-checkers.

People like Bachmann represent everything that is wrong with the Republican Party. She and her colleagues are hyperbolic, reactionary, ill-informed and ill-intentioned, and they have become synonymous with the Republican brand. We don’t need all politicians to be Mensa-worthy, but we do expect them to be cogent and competent.

When all the dust settles from the current dustup within the party over who holds the mantle and which direction to take, Republicans will still be left with the problem of what to do with people like Bachmann.

And as long as the party has Bachmanns, it has a problem.

HockeyDad Offline
#89 Posted:
Joined: 09-20-2000
Posts: 46,156
The Republican Party is dead until they can figure out how to promise and give free stuff to the unclean masses instead of just to rich old white men.

They need to build a better Cone Of Protection.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#90 Posted:
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,489
And the Dems are suuuuuuch a better option to run things how again?

More wars...more debt...more free stuff...unemployment soaring...cost of everything rising...and what is their leadership doing? Going on massively expensive vacations around the globe...uttering stupid crap like "Buy a shotgun...buy a shotgun"...while we have ObamaCare costs skyrocketing and daily the CBO has to tally up some other "unforeseen expenditure" that they weren't made aware of so they can maintain their "fairness" mantra...the world is on fire and these people are ignoring it all and are on the complete wrong side of EVERYTHING.

Why in the world any of you continue to support it is proof how stupid and sheeplike you are. You're controlled and like it, but bleet how bad GW Bush was? Gimmie a break. This guy in the White House now...he's dumber...he's conniving...and maniacal...yet you all want to believe that Bachmann...Christie...Palin and God knows whatever is in control and harshing the mellow...please. Face it you were tooled. There's no Hope and Change...even in a second term. What's it take for you blind fools of the Democratic party to wake up? You're not getting anything. Unless you on da welfare...git in line wif yer flippy flops...that's your ilk. No leadership...nothing worth it, but you'll stand and scream about a political party that's not in control of a damn thing and make them responsible for everything?

Please.

Look at the mess in Cyprus people...its coming here.

Blame the GOP all you want...neither party is working FOR America...they're all too busy eating their way to the middle...the middle that they don't care about and distract with deft precision with their media outlets and reality shows. It happening yet the GOP which had their shot and deserve to go the way of the dinosaurs is what's wrong? While the Dems reap glory? Try cashing in that glory. Your pockets are as empty as your minds. You can't eat it either. Good luck supporting either party. I'd personally rather see a true American Bastille Day...break out the guillotines...start holding the treason trials...top to bottom...drain the "swamp" in Washington DC...torch the place to the ground...all 3 branches...break out the "Do Over" button Clinton gave the former Soviet Union and see if THAT works...America is going down and people want to still play sides.

WAKE THE F**K UP.
8trackdisco Offline
#91 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,084
Burn the whole thing to the ground.

The Republicans are going the way of marriage between a man and a woman. A quaint reminiscence of yesteryear.

Need to check out a book on the fall of the Roman empire, to see what is going to be next.
DrafterX Offline
#92 Posted:
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,559
I heard it's gonna rain toads..... Mellow
pdxstogieman Offline
#93 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 5,219
DrafterX wrote:
I heard it's gonna rain toads..... Mellow


Toads, not so bad. It's that Plague of Boils that I fear.
frankj1 Offline
#94 Posted:
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,223
pdxstogieman wrote:
Toads, not so bad. It's that Plague of Boils that I fear.

not my favorite plague...it took the deaths of first born sons to free the Children of Israel. The GOP? I got nothing.
bobsnook Offline
#95 Posted:
Joined: 10-02-2006
Posts: 279
i say bring back the dan dan. ya know they named a bird after him. he was the zen vp and a mighty fine golfer. yes dan dan can vote dan dan
8trackdisco Offline
#96 Posted:
Joined: 11-06-2004
Posts: 60,084
Being the party of family values and corporate executives isn't a great business model. The former is dying fast and the execs are untouchable with their multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses.

Burn it.
bloody spaniard Offline
#97 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
The Democrats have backed up our toilets with generation after generation of shiite.
The Republicans just stand by the tip box handing out hand towels and spraying cheap cologne.


What happened in Germany can NEVER occur in our Idiocracy. No, of course not.RollEyes
pdxstogieman Offline
#98 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 5,219
bloody spaniard wrote:
The Democrats have backed up our toilets with generation after generation of shiite.
The Republicans just stand by the tip box handing out hand towels and spraying cheap cologne.


What happened in Germany can NEVER occur in our Idiocracy. No, of course not.RollEyes


Newsflash. It already has. Native American genocide, Japanese WWII internment. Those instances probably don't hit your radar though because it was just brown people that got screwed.
pdxstogieman Offline
#99 Posted:
Joined: 10-04-2007
Posts: 5,219
bloody spaniard wrote:
The Democrats have backed up our toilets with generation after generation of shiite.
The Republicans just stand by the tip box handing out hand towels and spraying cheap cologne.


What happened in Germany can NEVER occur in our Idiocracy. No, of course not.RollEyes


No, you're right, kraftwerk Autobahn and the Bader Meinhof gang could only happen in Germany
bloody spaniard Offline
#100 Posted:
Joined: 03-14-2003
Posts: 43,802
pdxstogieman wrote:
No, you're right, kraftwerk Autobahn and the Bader Meinhof gang could only happen in Germany




The Symbionese Liberation Army was arguably the poor man's Meinhof.
...and you obviously missed the Smokey and the Bandit documentaries.Glare
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