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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted:
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They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone you just like they said they would
They'll stone you when you're trying to go home
They'll stone you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned.... Whistle Whistle
SMIB Offline
#52 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
I don't care if people smoke dope..

but it is a Gateway Drug..


wheel,


Dumbest thing i've ever heard.

The real gateway drug is.....beer, vodka, rum...................

the whole 'gateway drug' crap is so 1976ish...
dstieger Offline
#53 Posted:
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Applause
teedubbya wrote:
Milk would beat out weed.



Post hoc ergo propter hoc
edin508 Offline
#54 Posted:
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SMIB wrote:
Dumbest thing i've ever heard.

The real gateway drug is.....beer, vodka, rum...................

the whole 'gateway drug' crap is so 1976ish...


100% The majority of people that do these drugs probably wouldn't have if they weren't drunk to begin with. Pot is not the gateway drug, alcohol is. No and's if's or but's about it.
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted:
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there is nohting in weed that would lead it to be a gateway drug. the fact that people predisposed to drug and alcohol abuse may use weed at some point not withstanding.
DrafterX Offline
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Think
are ciggs a gateway drug..?? Huh
cacman Offline
#57 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
I forgot to address this.
Driving high is very different from driving drunk.
But nobody says "Don't worry, I drive better when drunk".
And like I said before, I can go to a bar and have 2 beers with my lunch and drive home. I couldn't go there, get high, then drive home.
It's DIFFERENT. And we DO complain about drunk driving. Is that even a serious statement??

Besides.
Smoking pot makes you forget stuff.

This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've heard.
Many people can't have 2 beers and drive. It's been proven over and over that the smallest amount of alcohol impairs driving. You shouldn't be drinking and driving even if you only have 2 beers. Two wrongs doesn't make the one right. There are tests being developed to accurately measure the amount of THC in your system, like a breathalizer or hair-sample test.

But you are right about MMJ and alcohol being different. Alcohol is far more dangerous, and offers absolutely no medical benefit. Alcohol could be compared to tobacco in that sense. Yet we don't understand all the benefits of MMJ because of the bigotry like yours against it. It's not a charade, and not everyone that lights up is doing it just to get stoned. But having one or two beers is done purely for the effects of alcohol. You can't preach about how wrong it is that someone smokes to get high while your sitting on a bar stool sucking down beers and shots. The truth is there are natural benefits to MMJ that offer fewer side effects than pumping man-made chemicals into your body.
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Think
are ciggs a gateway drug..?? Huh


no but cigars are
DrafterX Offline
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cacman wrote:
like a breathalizer or hair-sample test.
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two very different readings I believe..... you're not getting current THC levels from the hair but may pick up some long term use... Think
teedubbya Offline
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I think driving impaired is wrong whether it is weed, alcohol, oxycontin or getting a BJ
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teedubbya wrote:
no but cigars are



I guess ciggs are just a gateway to another cigg then... Mellow
Taps86 Offline
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Well this took some strange turns.

Who are we kidding when we say it's safer to drive drunk vs driving High as a kite.
cacman Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
two very different readings I believe..... you're not getting current THC levels from the hair but may pick up some long term use... Think

Yes. The hair will show longer use, but is being researched for short-term readings. And much controversy over the nano limit, just like the blood-alcohol limit. Believe a swab test is also being researched as a possible field sobriety test, now that they can legally take a swab without a court order.
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I heard the new Obamaphones will swab you when you're not paying atttention, analyze the results and send the local PoPo your GPS coordinates... Mellow
sd72 Offline
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When do those come out?
DrafterX Offline
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I dunno for sure..... I heard them talking about them on the NPRs... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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cacman wrote:
This has got to be the biggest load of crap I've heard.
Many people can't have 2 beers and drive. It's been proven over and over that the smallest amount of alcohol impairs driving. You shouldn't be drinking and driving even if you only have 2 beers. Two wrongs doesn't make the one right. There are tests being developed to accurately measure the amount of THC in your system, like a breathalizer or hair-sample test.

But you are right about MMJ and alcohol being different. Alcohol is far more dangerous, and offers absolutely no medical benefit. Alcohol could be compared to tobacco in that sense. Yet we don't understand all the benefits of MMJ because of the bigotry like yours against it. It's not a charade, and not everyone that lights up is doing it just to get stoned. But having one or two beers is done purely for the effects of alcohol. You can't preach about how wrong it is that someone smokes to get high while your sitting on a bar stool sucking down beers and shots. The truth is there are natural benefits to MMJ that offer fewer side effects than pumping man-made chemicals into your body.


Extreme hyperbole aside (biggest load of crap? Really?) you are taking this A: too personally, and B: completely out of context.
I accept that alcohol is bad. I responded to Robert because he suggested that nobody is talking about alcohol and driving, and that is simply not true. Drunk driving is bad. OK? Can I be more clear?

MY biggotry? You must be stoned now because I am IN FAVOR of medicinal mj.
I didn't mean to confuse you when I stated this repeatedly already.

As for the "charade" I stand by that statement.
Because whenever the issue of medicinal usage is brought up, we hear it from the hemp crowd. I know that doctors support your position, but the general public needs to see them rather than Jeff Spicoli wanna-bees.

And yes. I CAN enjoy a beer or two with lunch and be 100% legal to drive.
And I DO drink beer for the enjoyment of the beverage itself.
Most of my drinking involves a single beer. Zero buzz factor.

Who smokes a joint to taste the bud?
Nobody. That's who. The effect is the goal.

You'd be better served focusing your diatribe on people who are against mj usage rather than taking offense and dissecting the details with people like me who agree with the overall premise of medical mj.


tailgater Offline
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Taps86 wrote:
Well this took some strange turns.

Who are we kidding when we say it's safer to drive drunk vs driving High as a kite.


This is an EXCELLENT example of how mj fries the brain.

Who said it was better to drive drunk?

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tailgater wrote:
This is an EXCELLENT example of how mj fries the brain.

Who said it was better to drive drunk?


"And like I said before, I can go to a bar and have 2 beers with my lunch and drive home. I couldn't go there, get high, then drive home."

tailgater Offline
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So when I have 2 beers with lunch, I'm now drunk?

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?
DrafterX Offline
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hell I could prolly drink 5 beers with lunch and still be fine.... Oklahoma has a stupid 3.2 law.... Mad
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
hell I could prolly drink 5 beers with lunch and still be fine.... Oklahoma has a stupid 3.2 law.... Mad


just get the warm stuff at the liquer store
Taps86 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
So when I have 2 beers with lunch, I'm now drunk?

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?




How is driving after smoking even comparable to driving after drinking 2 beers?



tailgater Offline
#74 Posted:
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Taps86 wrote:
How is driving after smoking even comparable to driving after drinking 2 beers?





WHAT?
teedubbya Offline
#75 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
WHAT?


Are you stoned or somethin?
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Are you stoned or somethin?


Somebody is.
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Somebody is.


he he not me Mr. Hand
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
he he not me Mr. Hand


You Deek.
teedubbya Offline
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tat was my skull
cacman Offline
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tailgater wrote:
MY biggotry? You must be stoned now because I am IN FAVOR of medicinal mj.
I didn't mean to confuse you when I stated this repeatedly already.

As for the "charade" I stand by that statement.
Because whenever the issue of medicinal usage is brought up, we hear it from the hemp crowd. I know that doctors support your position, but the general public needs to see them rather than Jeff Spicoli wanna-bees.

And yes. I CAN enjoy a beer or two with lunch and be 100% legal to drive.
And I DO drink beer for the enjoyment of the beverage itself.
Most of my drinking involves a single beer. Zero buzz factor.

Who smokes a joint to taste the bud?
Nobody. That's who. The effect is the goal.

You say you are for it, yet you put down and stereotype the people that use it? Some people do us MMJ because it does taste good - a lot better than tobacco. Guess you've never heard of edibles that don't involve smoking at all. And yes the effect is the goal the same as smoking a cigar, cigarette, or drinking a beer.

If you only drink beer for the enjoyment of the beverage itself, then switch to non-alcoholic beer. For some people two beers and they are drunk. Individual tolerances are different. And even though you only drink one beer with zero buzz factor as you say, the alcohol still has its effects & impairments just as taking a single toke will. Face it, you drink a beer not just for the taste but also the effect. If you had 2 beers with lunch, left the pub and got in an accident, although below DUI limits the alcohol will make the situation a lot worse as far as the police and insurance are concerned. I find it completely hypocritical when someone says they only drink because it tastes good. Part of the enjoyment of the beverage is the alcohol itself. Otherwise you would be drinking non-alcoholic beer and wine.
Taps86 Offline
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ThumpUp
cacman wrote:
You say you are for it, yet you put down and stereotype the people that use it? Some people do us MMJ because it does taste good - a lot better than tobacco. Guess you've never heard of edibles that don't involve smoking at all. And yes the effect is the goal the same as smoking a cigar, cigarette, or drinking a beer.

If you only drink beer for the enjoyment of the beverage itself, then switch to non-alcoholic beer. For some people two beers and they are drunk. Individual tolerances are different. And even though you only drink one beer with zero buzz factor as you say, the alcohol still has its effects & impairments just as taking a single toke will. Face it, you drink a beer not just for the taste but also the effect. If you had 2 beers with lunch, left the pub and got in an accident, although below DUI limits the alcohol will make the situation a lot worse as far as the police and insurance are concerned. I find it completely hypocritical when someone says they only drink because it tastes good. Part of the enjoyment of the beverage is the alcohol itself. Otherwise you would be drinking non-alcoholic beer and wine.

tailgater Offline
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cacman wrote:
You say you are for it, yet you put down and stereotype the people that use it? Some people do us MMJ because it does taste good - a lot better than tobacco. Guess you've never heard of edibles that don't involve smoking at all. And yes the effect is the goal the same as smoking a cigar, cigarette, or drinking a beer.

If you only drink beer for the enjoyment of the beverage itself, then switch to non-alcoholic beer. For some people two beers and they are drunk. Individual tolerances are different. And even though you only drink one beer with zero buzz factor as you say, the alcohol still has its effects & impairments just as taking a single toke will. Face it, you drink a beer not just for the taste but also the effect. If you had 2 beers with lunch, left the pub and got in an accident, although below DUI limits the alcohol will make the situation a lot worse as far as the police and insurance are concerned. I find it completely hypocritical when someone says they only drink because it tastes good. Part of the enjoyment of the beverage is the alcohol itself. Otherwise you would be drinking non-alcoholic beer and wine.


Wow.
Grasping at straws here.

I don't know why you get so offended when I tell you like it is. Stereotype? The whole medicinal mj movement and the push to legalize it is fronted by stoners. That's not opinion.
Massachusetts had two recent votes in the last couple years. To make it a simple misdemeanor for 1 oz and less. And to legalize medicinal use.
I saw the proponents for both. I witnessed the rallies. I watched college kids organize who have never even voted before.

As for non-alcohol beer and wine? Tastes like crap. I'm not a bud light guy, I like a decent microbrew.

And I'm sorry that you only drink beer for the buzz. That's sign of an addictive behavior, which may explain your penchant for mj?
I often have friends over and we'll drink a beer.
This happens all the time and is completely normal. It's called being a mature adult.

There is no equivalent casual use when speaking of pot. Don't try to pretend that there is.


By the way, if I had a beer and got into an accident, and my blood level was legal, then neither the cops nor the insurance company could do squat. It wouldn't matter. Alcohol is legal when consumed by an adult. How on earth could the cops or insurer give me any grief? The situation would not be "a lot worse" to quote you. It wouldn't be worse at all.

You're actually starting to make a case against mj use. Because paranoia is the other side effect. After forgetting stuff.
And stuff.

Herfing
Taps86 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Wow.
Grasping at straws here.

I don't know why you get so offended when I tell you like it is. Stereotype? The whole medicinal mj movement and the push to legalize it is fronted by stoners. That's not opinion.
Massachusetts had two recent votes in the last couple years. To make it a simple misdemeanor for 1 oz and less. And to legalize medicinal use.
I saw the proponents for both. I witnessed the rallies. I watched college kids organize who have never even voted before.

As for non-alcohol beer and wine? Tastes like crap. I'm not a bud light guy, I like a decent microbrew.

And I'm sorry that you only drink beer for the buzz. That's sign of an addictive behavior, which may explain your penchant for mj?
I often have friends over and we'll drink a beer.
This happens all the time and is completely normal. It's called being a mature adult.

There is no equivalent casual use when speaking of pot. Don't try to pretend that there is.


By the way, if I had a beer and got into an accident, and my blood level was legal, then neither the cops nor the insurance company could do squat. It wouldn't matter. Alcohol is legal when consumed by an adult. How on earth could the cops or insurer give me any grief? The situation would not be "a lot worse" to quote you. It wouldn't be worse at all.

You're actually starting to make a case against mj use. Because paranoia is the other side effect. After forgetting stuff.
And stuff.

Herfing



Your a hypocrite or an alcoholic....
tailgater Offline
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Taps86 wrote:
Your a hypocrite or an alcoholic....


Again with that logic.



tailgater Offline
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Taps, I'm just bustin ya here.
But I'd like to see where you get "hypocrite" from me saying it's common for an adult to drink alcohol without getting drunk but it's not common to smoke pot without getting high.

As for alcoholic?
I'm a captive audience. Please explain.


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I'm gonna go drink 4 beers after work and drive home.. just to piss off Taps... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm gonna go drink 4 beers after work and drive home.. just to piss off Taps... Not talking


you bassard

driving drunk is bad mkayyyyy

so is driving buzzed, or stoned. I for one would never do it.

Tail which effs you up more 2 beers or 2 hits of pot? It's a trick question because pot can be loaded with THC or have none at all.... it can not be answered.
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I think I'll snort an oxycontin too..... Not talking
teedubbya Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think I'll snort an oxycontin too..... Not talking



imma gonna call the police for your own good. don't want you to lose your hearing and stuff
DrafterX Offline
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what..... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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I heard about this guy that got really drunk and drove his van 5 blocks. everyone in here did an intervention nad set him straight and stuff
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard about this guy that got really drunk and drove his van 5 blocks. everyone in here did an intervention nad set him straight and stuff



I remember something like that... that's also about the time CROS disappeared too.... Think
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:


Tail which effs you up more 2 beers or 2 hits of pot? It's a trick question because pot can be loaded with THC or have none at all.... it can not be answered.



You nailed down the false argument, TW.

Thing is, we're not doing a scientific study here. We're not comparing beer alcohol content versus body weight versus THC level and joint girth (don't blush).

I'm just stating a fact.
It's common for folks to drink a beer. Or two. Then stop without achieving a buzz.
Not just common, but in many instances it's expected. Such as a lunch meeting, or at the end of the day, or when a buddy drops in unexpectedly. You have a beer. You don't get drunk. You might even drive later.

But it's rare indeed for a person to use non-medicinal mj and take a hit or two without trying to achieve at least a mild high. More often than not, they're going for a bit more. Which is OK by me. Just don't pretend it's something that it's not.

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DrafterX wrote:
I think I'll snort an oxycontin too..... Not talking


I heard that's quite a "Rush"...
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tailgater wrote:
The whole medicinal mj movement and the push to legalize it is fronted by stoners.

Exactly the reason why it is hard for people to take it seriously. Maybe it has it's uses maybe not for medical use, I don't really care. Until you get rid of the stoners who are using this as their way to make it legal, most people won't take it serious.

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tailgater wrote:
I heard that's quite a "Rush"...



Groan
tailgater Offline
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dubleuhb wrote:
Exactly the reason why it is hard for people to take it seriously. Maybe it has it's uses maybe not for medical use, I don't really care. Until you get rid of the stoners who are using this as their way to make it legal, most people won't take it serious.



You have to watch CNN...

teedubbya Offline
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Yall really should watch the show.... you don't have to agree with it but it says much the same thing then looks past it for the moment..... you can argue about it all you want or compare it to the silly 9-11 movies but you should watch it first.... it dives into your very arguments.


Meh....
tailgater Offline
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Groan


Flapper
dubleuhb Offline
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tailgater wrote:
You have to watch CNN...


I don't pay for TV.
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