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Bogus fall in unemployment rate and Obamacare
Kidmd Offline
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Let's see over 8 million Americans that were on unemployment did not find ajob and exhausted thier checks just quit looking. Hence they drop out of the real numbers, they are no longer counted As unemployed. This makes the numbers fictionally drop, an illusion that the Dems and Prez seize upon to tout they are doing a good job.
Also, I see the new numbers on these so called jobs created. They show that 80 percent of these are part time. This just shows the economy is awful...
Why you say are most of these part time....
Let's see employers with over 50 employees will be required to carry healthcare insurance, the price of which continues to go up, on all employees. UNLESS, these employees work under 30 hours..... Hmmm, pay through the nose for insurance the business can't afford, pay the fines for not carrying the insurance ( these are thousands less than the insurance itself)(more on this later), cut them to part time(and NOT pay the fines), or pay the insurance but lay off people in order to make ends meet (more unemployed).
The employers are posotioning themselves for this thus, MORE part-timers.
If the employer pays the fines, this pushes these workers ( who had insurance with employer before) into the exchanges because these workers are now required (by obamacare) to have insurance. Whoops, now they have another EXTREMELY large bill they never had to budget for in the past. Since 80- 90% of American live paycheck to paycheck they will not be able to afford the insurance. They will look at the options, unaffordable healthcare or pay the fine ( which is thousands less that the insurance), any good budget minded household will have to pay the fine. Now the workings class person (family of 4) has paid close to $2400 (600 per person) for the privilege of NOT having insurance.
BUT hey, all those who now don't have insurance will have insurance (paid for by the taxpayers) but those that pay the taxes will have none AND they paid for this privilege.

Hmmmmm? Just thinking out loud......
Redistribution of healthcare?
Think
DadZilla3 Offline
#2 Posted:
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All Government House had to do is expand the existing Medicaid coverage and health insurance would have been available to more people. But that isn't what Obamacare is about.

It's all about cradle-to-grave government control of your life.
rfenst Offline
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DadZilla3 wrote:
All Government House had to do is expand the existing Medicaid coverage and health insurance would have been available to more people. But that isn't what Obamacare is about.

It's all about cradle-to-grave government control of your life.


I think itis more about the insurers not wanting to give up the "honey pot". Don't underestimate their ability to influence things.
ZRX1200 Offline
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^ for now until the system fails as designed.


Single payer gonna get cha.
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I think itis more about the insurers not wanting to give up the "honey pot". Don't underestimate their ability to influence things.


Yes, and they own enough politicians to be able to write a law that requires you to buy their product. Somebody wrote all those thousand of pages in the Obamacare bill and it wasn't congressional staff workers.
horse horse horse
TMCTLT Offline
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rfenst wrote:
I think itis more about the insurers not wanting to give up the "honey pot". Don't underestimate their ability to influence things.



Couldn't agree more Robert, that entity has got a strangle hold on this "Fear based" society we live in.
cacman Offline
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The guberment has done nothing to reform or regulate healthcare cost and insurance. Instead they've broken the Consititution, passed the law before it was read (thanks for that Pelosi), and forced everyone to buy into an already broken system. Great!!! Looks like I'm paying the freakin fine because I still can't afford or justify the cost of health insurance. When health insurance cost more than the average person's mortgage, there's a real problem.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Several thousand per year for mediocre medical coverage with no exclusions and a procedural waiting list is a heap better than paying unaffordable premiums per year for mediocre medical attention with lots of exclusions and high deductibles making it more like catastrophic insurance IMHO.

Besides, either way you can always pay for specialists and special procedures out of pocket as many of us have in the past. No one cried for folks like us back then. It's only when THEY get gored and have to fork out the nickels...


OP, every week or so I hear of business acquaintances either laying off or closing doors.
So if the employment situation is so dire, it begs the question, Why do we keep our borders open to the unskilled workers? Think
TMCTLT Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Several thousand per year for mediocre medical coverage with no exclusions and a procedural waiting list is a heap better than paying unaffordable premiums per year for mediocre medical attention with lots of exclusions and high deductibles making it more like catastrophic insurance IMHO.

Besides, either way you can always pay for specialists and special procedures out of pocket as many of us have in the past. No one cried for folks like us back then. It's only when THEY get gored and have to fork out the nickels...


OP, every week or so I hear of business acquaintances either laying off or closing doors.
So if the employment situation is so dire, it begs the question, Why do we keep our borders open to the unskilled workers? Think




VOTES....Nothing more than thathorse
bloody spaniard Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
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VOTES....Nothing more than thathorse

So they lower our overall standard of living and raise theirs for their votes. That's sad & probably true.
rfenst Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
So they lower our overall standard of living and raise theirs for their votes. That's sad & probably true.


But, children of recent illegal immigrants don't vote for 18 years after born in the U.S. Am I missing something?
bloody spaniard Offline
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rfenst wrote:
But, children of recent illegal immigrants don't vote for 18 years after born in the U.S. Am I missing something?

Remember Congressman Bob "B-52" Dornan? They say his margin of loss (979?) to Loretta Sanchez was due to illegals who illegally voted for her.
I could be wrong but I don't think that illegals have to wait for their children to grow up and vote. It's pretty easy to do it right away.
rfenst Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Remember Congressman Bob "B-52" Dornan? They say his margin of loss (979?) to Loretta Sanchez was due to illegals who illegally voted for her.
I could be wrong but I don't think that illegals have to wait for their children to grow up and vote. It's pretty easy to do it right away.


Recalled the name, but not his politics. Read his Wiki articall. Seems like a real hot-headed, troublesome guy: Found this portion sad:

For his final successful run for Congress, Dornan had signs posted at polling places that warned voters in Spanish that they should be prepared to prove their citizenship in order to vote, suggesting that immigration officials would be present. The success of this action was believed to have kept enough Latino voters away from the polls to eke out a final victory for Dornan against Mike Farber in an election that featured allegations of domestic violence by Dornan.[8] A long court battle deemed these signs illegal and inappropriate, and he was not able to post them again at the next election, which he then lost to Loretta Sanchez.

Found it amusing in a sad way...
jpotts Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Recalled the name, but not his politics. Read his Wiki articall. Seems like a real hot-headed, troublesome guy: Found this portion sad:

For his final successful run for Congress, Dornan had signs posted at polling places that warned voters in Spanish that they should be prepared to prove their citizenship in order to vote, suggesting that immigration officials would be present. The success of this action was believed to have kept enough Latino voters away from the polls to eke out a final victory for Dornan against Mike Farber in an election that featured allegations of domestic violence by Dornan.[8] A long court battle deemed these signs illegal and inappropriate, and he was not able to post them again at the next election, which he then lost to Loretta Sanchez.

Found it amusing in a sad way...


Why?

The only reason why they wouldn't chose to vote is because they are fraudulent voters, and are rigging the election. if you are a legal citizen of the US, you have no problem with showing ID. Period.

The fact is the minute they find one of these illegals, they should take every possession they own, and send them back to their country of origin...nekked.
dstieger Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
So if the employment situation is so dire, it begs the question, Why do we keep our borders open to the unskilled workers? Think


Because we want our dishes washed and our buildings built and our sh|tters cleaned. If it's dirty, uncomfortable or exhausting, the line to do it will be 90% immigrants. I've come to believe that a lot of unemployed Americans are passing on honest work for lame reasons that would make our fathers really p!ssed.
HockeyDad Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Because we want our dishes washed and our buildings built and our sh|tters cleaned. If it's dirty, uncomfortable or exhausting, the line to do it will be 90% immigrants. I've come to believe that a lot of unemployed Americans are passing on honest work for lame reasons that would make our fathers really p!ssed.



You just figured this out?!
dstieger Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
You just figured this out?!


Knew it. Just didn't want to believe the totality of it. My 90% estimate above is probably low. I have a very hard time relating to someone who'd rather collect unemployment and do nothing than do honest work, gain a little satisfaction and self respect and make quadruple what state is paying them. I still don't get it
HockeyDad Offline
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Really it is pure capitalism. If you can get $300/wk and not work versus work 40 hours a week and make $400, your work really only net gained you $100. It isn't worth it to some people.

The nation is soft, fat, drunk and stupid.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Hard to believe Americans would rather starve than do work that is "beneath" them.
I think that is a widely circulated canard. Besides, first thing illegals do is consult with experts who can help them cheat, er, take advantage of the help offered.
I know, because I've gotten to know a few and as hard working as they are, they also know how to ferret out the "freebies" paid for by American citizens that I never knew existed.


The other question that begs to be answered is , If unskilled illegals are welcomed into this country by (primarily) Democrats for their vote and Republican business owners (primarily) for cheap labor, then why are great numbers of mostly Third World immigrants pushing into high unemployment, floundering European countries such as Greece, Spain, Italy, Great Britain, France, etc. where citizenship is not as easily attainable as it is here. Hell, London is now majority non-white. Now, I understand why modern day depictions of King Arthur and Spartacus are so multicultural.
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Hard to believe Americans would rather starve than do work that is "beneath" them.



Nobody starves in the USA. Our poor people are fat, have cars, big screen TVs, and cell phones. Our poor would be middle class in 77.3% of the world.
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Nobody starves in the USA. Our poor people are fat, have cars, big screen TVs, and cell phones. Our poor would be middle class in 77.3% of the world.

The poor are fat because they eat poor quality, high fat, hydrogenated crap food much like folks in Wisconsin (j/k). The rest of us are just poisoning ourselves slowly with Monsanto treated hybrids.
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The other question that begs to be answered is , If unskilled illegals are welcomed into this country by (primarily) Democrats for their vote and Republican business owners (primarily) for cheap labor, then why are great numbers of mostly Third World immigrants pushing into high unemployment, floundering European countries such as Greece, Spain, Italy, Great Britain, France, etc. where citizenship is not as easily attainable as it is here. Hell, London is now majority non-white. Now, I understand why modern day depictions of King Arthur and Spartacus are so multicultural.



The government "safety net" in those countries is significantly more generous than that of the USA. They are also geographically much closer. Those nations also have strong ties to various ex-colonies that provide most of the immigration. After WW2, that immigration from the colonies was encouraged because labor was needed to re-build.
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The poor are fat because they eat poor quality, high fat, hydrogenated crap food much like folks in Wisconsin (j/k).



It beats starving in Somalia or Ethiopia.

We Are The World!
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
The government "safety net" in those countries is significantly more generous than that of the USA. They are also geographically much closer. Those nations also have strong ties to various ex-colonies that provide most of the immigration. After WW2, that immigration from the colonies was encouraged because labor was needed to re-build.

I think the answer is simpler yet unclear. For some reason "someone" wants to forcibly change the racial demographics of the countries. Make the world more "homogeneous". Why else do you forcibly import or allow mass immigration of unskilled labor (oft repeated I know) into areas of high indigenous unemployment? Better control by lowering people's standards & expectations perhaps?
dstieger Offline
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Probably the same 'someones' that faked the moon landings
HockeyDad Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
I think the answer is simpler yet unclear. For some reason "someone" wants to forcibly change the racial demographics of the countries. Make the world more "homogeneous". Why else do you forcibly import or allow mass immigration of unskilled labor (oft repeated I know) into areas of high indigenous unemployment? Better control by lowering people's standards & expectations perhaps?



When in doubt, fall back on blaming the British. Works for me.
bloody spaniard Offline
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Good.
The important thing is to trust & not to panic. The cultural piñata will be forcibly struck open soon and we will all partake as promised.
DrafterX Offline
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I heard Obama was giving all the illegals free pork..!! Mad
itsawaldo Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
The poor are fat because they eat poor quality, high fat, hydrogenated crap food much like folks in Wisconsin (j/k). The rest of us are just poisoning ourselves slowly with Monsanto treated hybrids.


There's always trade offs!
ZRX1200 Offline
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Bloody it's going to be illegal to private pay for specialists. There is always free cheese in a mouse trap I hope you enjoy velveeta.
RICKAMAVEN Offline
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if a new drug cost $250, a month to buy, why can it be bought

for about $50.00 + a $10.00 shipping charge from canada.

same mfg, same bottle, same enerything?at the same time a

box of cuban are confiscated by whoever it was who wrote me

a nasty letter and smok my monte #5's.


how did Mendelssohn write 12 string symphonies at age 12-14,

while most of us were trying to improve our masturbation technique?


how can the universe be endless and why are we pizzing away money

to find out what's on jupiter and mars while american children are

going to bed hungry
Kidmd Offline
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Those drugs are made in plants where there are no minimum wage workers....very low overhead...
Homebrew Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard Obama was giving all the illegals free pork..!! Mad

That is just to make the Muslims, starve, and not be able to gain a majority in the USA.Herfing

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
HockeyDad Offline
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
if a new drug cost $250, a month to buy, why can it be bought

for about $50.00 + a $10.00 shipping charge from canada.

same mfg, same bottle, same enerything


Prolly the exchange rates.


RICKAMAVEN wrote:


how did Mendelssohn write 12 string symphonies at age 12-14,

while most of us were trying to improve our masturbation technique?



He was a German.



RICKAMAVEN wrote:


how can the universe be endless and why are we pizzing away money

to find out what's on jupiter and mars while american children are

going to bed hungry



American children haven't gone to bed hungry in many, many years. The bigger issue is what if they lose their cell phone charger.
snowwolf777 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
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VOTES....Nothing more than thathorse



Excuse me. Shame on you Please stick to the talking points.

It's because they do the work Americans don't want to do: Picking apples, picking tomatoes, picking lettuce, landscaping, roofing, firing up new street gangs, selling drugs, getting multiple DUIs, rape, murder, collecting food stamps, collecting welfare cash cards, using government subsidized housing, using government health care, collecting SSDI, identity theft, filing lawsuits for various forms of discrimination, using our hospital emergency rooms as free health care clinics when they have the sniffles ...
DadZilla3 Offline
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snowwolf777 wrote:
It's because they do the work Americans don't want to do: Picking apples, picking tomatoes, picking lettuce, landscaping, roofing, firing up new street gangs, selling drugs, getting multiple DUIs, rape, murder, collecting food stamps, collecting welfare cash cards, using government subsidized housing, using government health care, collecting SSDI, identity theft, filing lawsuits for various forms of discrimination, using our hospital emergency rooms as free health care clinics when they have the sniffles ...

Also, they do the work that thanks to bloated Great Society programs, Americans don't HAVE to do. If the Government House gravy train ever screeches to a halt however, the survival options for recipients would dwindle to two: 1. riot/ steal, or 2. find work.

I don't think option 1, riot/ steal would be very effective for long except in cities with strict 'gun control' regulations, that is to say a disarmed law-abiding public.
bloody spaniard Offline
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You know, I've known handyman/gardening entrepreneurs now working in Home Depots, nurseries, etc. who were driven out of business by folks living in communal houses & willing to work for next to nothing. If that's the gauge for a "working" capitalistic system with a reasonable standard of living... Okaaaay... Yeah, they COULD become IT or perhaps go back to school for additional vocational training (until THAT skill is outsourced or overcompeted)- the sounds emitted by smug, cavalier, fat armchair quarterbacks.

America is in its death spasms. We just don't know it. We're busy with shiny things.
HockeyDad Offline
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Plenty of money to be made in demolition.
bloody spaniard Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
Plenty of money to be made in demolition.

...and kidnappings.
I envision a bartering society similar to Cuba's. I will trade you a corn for stitching up my pants.
DrafterX Offline
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I gotta start building up my cheese stash.... Think
bloody spaniard Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I gotta start building up my cheese stash.... Think

fromunda? Sick
DadZilla3 Offline
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bloody spaniard wrote:
fromunda? Sick

Chris Matthews reported recently on his Hardball show that some of the Fromunda cheese imported from China was tainted.
DadZilla3 Offline
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This just in:

United States sets another food stamp record: Households on food stamps at new peak and more Americans live in poverty compared to the entire population of Spain.

The gap between rich and poor in the United States continues to grow in-line with food stamp usage. Many Americans watch in dismay as they view countries like Spain rip its self apart by a massively discontent and unemployed youth movement. Many probably watch thinking that somehow, our problems can never come close to what is being experienced abroad. The irony is that we now have more Americans on food stamps than the entire population of Spain. That is right, more Americans are living food stamp payment to food stamp payment versus the entire population of a county literally suffering in depression. Yet somehow, the narrative playing out in the economy is all around a booming real estate market (profits to investors) and the peaking stock market (most Americans don’t even own stock) are big windfalls for all. Yet the gains are being captured by a small portion of the population. This is how we can reach these seemingly dichotomous situations where poverty rises in the shadow of a booming stock market.


http://www.mybudget360.com/food-stamp-usage-americans-record-high-more-than-spain-number-of-food-stamp-families/#more-5093
bobsnook Offline
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hands off food stamps, big hunger is to big to fail. and speaking of that high quality gmo foods we are all eating . science is finding bacteria in our bellies that cannot be identified bloat bloat bloat
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