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victor809 Offline
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So here we go... a fun dilemma.

This happened in Canada, so whatevs... but the more interesting question would be, what would happen if this occurred in the US. This specifically deals with the retarded "anti-gay" bill which was vetoed in AZ recently.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/16/gay-activists-have-met-their-match-with-muslim-barbers

PorknBeans Offline
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so should the governor of new mexico sue her queer stylist who now refuses to cut her hair
isn;t it discrimitory
that so called retarded bill has nothing to do with gays
in simple terms it lets you conduct business with who you want without repercussion

oh and screw the eskimos up there are they even real
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so instead of respecting his religeon and finding another barber she chose to turn into some sort of human rights violation..... why am I not surprised.. Not talking
bloody spaniard Offline
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HAHAHAHA... you knew it was just a matter of time before homosexuals & feminists had a misunderstanding with their rug lugging pals.
Just wait til black muslims read up on their history & figure out their lighter complected counterparts enjoyed trading 'em.
bloody spaniard Offline
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...and why are you dedicating this thread to a piece of tail?Think
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gas...grass or ass...NOBODY rides for free!
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I'm not sure this incident really has anything to do with her being gay either but it sounds like she made it one... the hell with this guys rights or repect as long as she gets hers..... how many barbers you think are in Toronto..??? sad really.. Mellow
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I am the barber of Seville...figaro...figaro...figaro!!!!
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A guy sticks his head into a barber shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About 2 hours."
The guy leaves.

A few days later the same guy sticks his head in the door and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around at the shop full of customers and says, "About 3 hours." The guy leaves.

A week later the same guy sticks his head in the shop and asks, "How long before I can get a haircut?" The barber looks around the shop and says, "About an hour and a half." The guy leaves.

The barber who is intrigued by this time, looks over at a friend in the shop and says, "Hey, Bill. Follow that guy and see where he goes."

A little while later, Bill comes back into the shop, laughing hysterically.

The barber asks, "Bill, where did he go when he left here?"

Bill looks up, tears in his eyes and says, "Your house!"

Laugh
DrMaddVibe Offline
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I TOLD you...NO ONE RIDES FOR FREE!!!!!
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PorknBeans wrote:

in simple terms it lets you conduct business with who you want without repercussion

oh and screw the eskimos up there are they even real


mmmhhmmm...

And who would you like to not conduct business with? Is there any specific group you don't think you should be required to serve? And why do you think you shouldn't be required to serve them?
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Those eskimos are busy fighting off all the polar bears.
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Screw the polar bears.... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
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You have to beat off the eskimos to git at 'em.
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that would be gay.... Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Naw...that's in Boston!

They migrated there from Georgetown!
Quilp Offline
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Is tailgater a gay Muslim? I knew it!!
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
So here we go... a fun dilemma.

This happened in Canada, so whatevs... but the more interesting question would be, what would happen if this occurred in the US. This specifically deals with the retarded "anti-gay" bill which was vetoed in AZ recently.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/16/gay-activists-have-met-their-match-with-muslim-barbers



Why is this for me?

I generally abhor any activist group, be they LGBT, the teachers union or Greenpeace.
Even good ideas go awry when led by militant morons. (ie. the Tea Party).

I think the muslim barber is an idiot.
But the jilted **** should have just taken her business elsewhere and then tell everyone to keep away from mohammed lesbo-phobe.


I mean, did she really want an angry muslim to be forced to take a straight blade to her throat??




tailgater Offline
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Quilp wrote:
Is tailgater a gay Muslim? I knew it!!


Hey!
I'm not muslim.

victor809 Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Why is this for me?

I generally abhor any activist group, be they LGBT, the teachers union or Greenpeace.
Even good ideas go awry when led by militant morons. (ie. the Tea Party).

I think the muslim barber is an idiot.
But the jilted **** should have just taken her business elsewhere and then tell everyone to keep away from mohammed lesbo-phobe.


I mean, did she really want an angry muslim to be forced to take a straight blade to her throat??






It's for you because I find your input on these odd issues surrounding rights to be interesting.

The lesbian issue is a red-herring, as any woman who wanted a man's-style cut and doesn't like hairdressers could find herself in the same situation.

This actually comes down to women's rights vs religious rights.
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm not sure this incident really has anything to do with her being gay either but it sounds like she made it one... Mellow



Ding ding ding!
We have a winner.

tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
It's for you because I find your input on these odd issues surrounding rights to be interesting.

The lesbian issue is a red-herring, as any woman who wanted a man's-style cut and doesn't like hairdressers could find herself in the same situation.

This actually comes down to women's rights vs religious rights.


It SHOULD be women vs religion. But Butch from Toronto made it a gay thing.
Hence my aversion towards militant activists.


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tailgater wrote:
It SHOULD be women vs religion. But Butch from Toronto made it a gay thing.
Hence my aversion towards militant activists.




What the author highlights isn't necessarily important. At the root, the woman was complaining that a barber shop was insisting on being "males only" for religious reasons.

This isn't significantly different from the bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding...

I'd be curious to know whether people would support this barber shop if this happened in AZ....
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
What the author highlights isn't necessarily important. At the root, the woman was complaining that a barber shop was insisting on being "males only" for religious reasons.

This isn't significantly different from the bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding...

I'd be curious to know whether people would support this barber shop if this happened in AZ....


The woman complained because she has been programmed to do so. It's in the LGBT bylaws.


And the people in Arizona would boycott this barber.
I mean, he is Muslim, isn't he?

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tailgater wrote:
The woman complained because she has been programmed to do so. It's in the LGBT bylaws.


And the people in Arizona would boycott this barber.
I mean, he is Muslim, isn't he?



Oh don't be silly... she didn't complain because she's lesbian.
Honestly, I suspect the entire thing was a setup, and that she purposely went there knowing she'd be refused service. I mean, what are the odds that she'd stumble into a Muslim run barbershop when she randomly decided to get a man's haircut?

But staged or not, she was refused service based on a religious reason... something which AZ legislators theoretically support.

I don't know where AZ would land on the decision. I've come to the conclusion that there's entire groups of people who's motivations I have zero ability to understand. That's one of the reasons I find some of these threads interesting.
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I dont see why any business owner should be forced to go against there religous beliefs to seve anyone

oh and nice attempt

the whole problem here is the queers seem to think the world revolves around them and they are special cause they are queer

newsflash for the homos act like a normal person and you will be treated just like everyone else
your lust for someone of the same sex does not make you special
99 percent of people could care less what you suck or lick so stop flaunting your gayness like its some badge of honor
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PorknBeans wrote:
I dont see why any business owner should be forced to go against there religous beliefs to seve anyone

oh and nice attempt

the whole problem here is the queers seem to think the world revolves around them and they are special cause they are queer

newsflash for the homos act like a normal person and you will be treated just like everyone else
your lust for someone of the same sex does not make you special
99 percent of people could care less what you suck or lick so stop flaunting your gayness like its some badge of honor


But the gayness wasn't a factor. Her being a woman was.

The gay angle is just a smokescreen you're falling for.
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no ones falling for it if that is the way its playing it
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
But the gayness wasn't a factor. Her being a woman was.

The gay angle is just a smokescreen you're falling for.


I disagree.
If this was not a "set up", it is unlikely that a hetero woman would have even thought about making this a human rights issue. Most people aren't programmed to think that way. Getting jilted at an establishment would cause most people to do nothing, complain on yelp.com, or write a scathing letter of contempt to the owner.
But society has taught the LGBT community to swing away whenever they don't get extra sprinkles on their cone.

If it was a set up, as you suggest, then it was poorly conceived.
A hetero woman would have singled out the muslim as the bad guy with much more emphasis on their unjust religious views. The gay thing clouds the issue.

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are there Chik-Filas in Canada.>?? Huh
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tailgater wrote:
I disagree.
If this was not a "set up", it is unlikely that a hetero woman would have even thought about making this a human rights issue. Most people aren't programmed to think that way. Getting jilted at an establishment would cause most people to do nothing, complain on yelp.com, or write a scathing letter of contempt to the owner.
But society has taught the LGBT community to swing away whenever they don't get extra sprinkles on their cone.

If it was a set up, as you suggest, then it was poorly conceived.
A hetero woman would have singled out the muslim as the bad guy with much more emphasis on their unjust religious views. The gay thing clouds the issue.



You're stereotyping a bit. I know plenty of people, gay, straight, male, female who get incensed and human rightsy whenever they feel like their "god given rights" are trampled on. Hell, people here (putative straight males) practically hang themselves on a first amendment cross if their threads are pulled.

Remember, the author of this opinion article is the one highlighting the "lesbian vs the muslim" thing, not necessarily the woman making the complaint. And in canada the Human Rights Tribunal sounds like it covers any discrimination (so discriminating against a woman would count)...
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Lesbian ranks higher than woman on the "protected class". You gotta go with the higher point preference.
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
You're stereotyping a bit.


Well rub my belly and call me Buddha!
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tailgater wrote:
Well rub my belly and call me Buddha!


No... fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice etc etc...

Last time you had a tiny P E N I S hidden under that belly.
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victor809 wrote:
No... fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice etc etc...

Last time you had a tiny P E N I S hidden under that belly.


What did it look like?
I haven't seen it in years...


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^ I heard it looks like an orange cheeto, crumbles, and grows back


Faith McGregor(sp?) knew that to trump a nonwhite muslim barber she would have to be a lesbian woman in order to have a legit discrimination whine. In the past, human rights' commissions have been suckers for gay rights. Alas, it may not be in the cards this time even with that added goodie. Being a hetero (or even gay) white woman may not count for much these days when it comes to outrage that is, UNLESS you're going up against the universally hated and reviled white (preferably Christian) man. Then all she has to do is scream, soil her undies, and point.

Stay tuned.
fatwa at 11
tailgater Offline
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Note to self:
Never invite bloody over for Cheetos.


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victor809 wrote:
But staged or not, she was refused service based on a religious reason... something which AZ legislators theoretically support.


Arizona and pretty much all legislators support whatever has the best chance of getting them re-elected. This actually makes sense since they are trying to please the majority of their constituents. Sarcasm
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victor809 wrote:
mmmhhmmm...

And who would you like to not conduct business with? Whoever I choose. Is there any specific group you don't think you should be required to serve? My private thoughts are none of the government's business. And why do you think you shouldn't be required to serve them? Because as a free human being, I have the right to free association, which is also the right to free non-association. And because I am opposed to forced labor.
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borndead1 wrote:
Whoever I choose.


This is a very interesting idea.

On it's face, I would tend to agree with you. We should be allowed to freely allow or disallow customers for whatever reason we PERSONALLY have.

The problem arises, as with most problems, when people organize.

Let's say you don't trust gingers (really, who does... sick little soulless things), you don't want to serve them at your restaurant. Well, the local ginger family doesn't really want to give you business for being so anti-ginger so they're cool with that. But then the barber, the two markets, the seed store and auto repair store all realize that gingers are disgusting untrustworthy creatures as well and stop serving them. Suddenly, it's impossible for the ginger family to actually live in the town.

Now, that's fine... I mean, they're gingers...

But laws like that are in place to protect actual human beings (not gingers) from being overwhelmed when a majority decides to essentially deny them equality through a de-facto action. We read about these stories as only one-offs... oh, a single bakery somewhere, who cares... or a single diner somewhere, who cares. If it were only those one-off kooks doing it, then it would never be a problem. But we know through history that if it isn't illegal, people organize and it becomes a problem.
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Make it personal then.... don't refuse service to a group.. If you look at a lot of small businesses you'll see a sign that says, 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone'..... do those signs not carry any weight.>?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
Make it personal then.... don't refuse service to a group.. If you look at a lot of small businesses you'll see a sign that says, 'We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone'..... do those signs not carry any weight.>?? Huh


But we're not talking about a simple situation like that.

Sure... "He was drunk, I refused to serve him"... or "He got drunk and screwed my dog last time he was here, I'm not serving him again" works fine. But we're talking about the refusal to serve an individual because they are part of a group (women) without any prior interaction with them.
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I would think they could come up with a reason other than 'she's gay' or whatever... just keep the reason personal like 'she smells' and they should be fine... Mellow
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victor809 wrote:
This is a very interesting idea.

On it's face, I would tend to agree with you. We should be allowed to freely allow or disallow customers for whatever reason we PERSONALLY have.

The problem arises, as with most problems, when people organize.

Let's say you don't trust gingers (really, who does... sick little soulless things), you don't want to serve them at your restaurant. Well, the local ginger family doesn't really want to give you business for being so anti-ginger so they're cool with that. But then the barber, the two markets, the seed store and auto repair store all realize that gingers are disgusting untrustworthy creatures as well and stop serving them. Suddenly, it's impossible for the ginger family to actually live in the town.

Now, that's fine... I mean, they're gingers...

But laws like that are in place to protect actual human beings (not gingers) from being overwhelmed when a majority decides to essentially deny them equality through a de-facto action. We read about these stories as only one-offs... oh, a single bakery somewhere, who cares... or a single diner somewhere, who cares. If it were only those one-off kooks doing it, then it would never be a problem. But we know through history that if it isn't illegal, people organize and it becomes a problem.


So if you owned a kids clothing store, you saying it's OK that the government tells you you MUST service the known pedophile, even if he seems to take all day just browsing?

Or if you're the IRS, that you might be forced to investigate an occasional company who is not owned by a tea party member?


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DrafterX wrote:
I would think they could come up with a reason other than 'she's gay' or whatever... just keep the reason personal like 'she smells like fish' and they should be fine... Mellow



Fixed it for ya.
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tailgater wrote:
So if you owned a kids clothing store, you saying it's OK that the government tells you you MUST service the known pedophile, even if he seems to take all day just browsing?

Or if you're the IRS, that you might be forced to investigate an occasional company who is not owned by a tea party member?




That's the absolute opposite of what I said.
The guy hanging around a kids clothing store all day IS acting, and could be thrown out for doing exactly what you described. He's not being refused service preemptively.

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victor809 wrote:
That's the absolute opposite of what I said.
The guy hanging around a kids clothing store all day IS acting, and could be thrown out for doing exactly what you described. He's not being refused service preemptively.



How is he "acting"?
He's just browsing the kids clothing. Probably the little underwear section.
Maybe he has a niece or nephew.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:
You can say a lot of bad things about pedophiles, but at least they drive slow through the school zones...



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true... true... Mellow
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tailgater wrote:
How is he "acting"?
He's just browsing the kids clothing. Probably the little underwear section.
Maybe he has a niece or nephew.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating:
You can say a lot of bad things about pedophiles, but at least they drive slow through the school zones...





"standing" is an action... "browsing" is an action.

One can browse most stores. Most stores after you've browsed and fingered the merchandise for a full day will ask you to leave.
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victor809 wrote:
"standing" is an action... "browsing" is an action.

One can browse most stores. Most stores after you've browsed and fingered the merchandise for a full day will ask you to leave.


Of course.
My premise was that the store owner shouldn't have to wait for a "full day" before they escort you out.

But you said "fingered" and now I lost my train of thought.

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