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It’s really simple!!

In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.
Next we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.
To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured .
The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured, and then
became re-insured can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured for free.

There, I hope that this clarifies this issue once & for all.

Um no, you have to pass it to know what's in it. Or so I heard.

Yup.
I even snopesed it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/clusterfuk.asp

or even "most dumbest".

Believe it?
I Voted for it!

"Let me get this straight . . . . We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are
forced to purchase and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, who have recently demonstrated their objective and professional integrity.
Written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who
didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, and the Post Office all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
and financed by a country that's broke!!!!!

'What the hell could possibly go wrong?"

~D. Trump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

So, who's paying for the inmates Obamacare anyway..??

Taxation without representation.

My private market insurance company was nice enough to renew everything on December 31, 2013, before the new provisions went into place. I'm concerned that my current plan will cancel at the end of this year. The cheapest plan on the exchange is 2.5X the cost of what I'm paying now, but only covers 60% after deductible.

But you will be better off.

Right?

Just to be clear.

F*ck Obamacare and anyone who thinks it's good.

You want to come pay my 31.4% increase this year in our premium and I might reconsider my condemnation of you.
Maybe.

LIME JELLO IN THE DAY ROOM!

Really?!

Here is what happened on January 1st 2014:
Top Income tax bracket went from 35% to 39.6%
Top Income payroll tax went from 37.4% to 52.2%
Capital Gains tax went from 15% to 28%
Dividends tax went from 15% to 39.6%
Estate tax went from 0% to 55%

Remember this fact: if you have money, the democrats want it. These taxes were all passed only with democrat votes, no republicans voted for these taxes.

These taxes were all passed under the affordable care act, aka Obamacare.

The people paying top bracket taxes are still laughing. What's not posted is the thousands of loopholes, write offs, and back doors.

I'm paying a higher percentage of my income to taxes than any billionaire. And I'm a hundredaire.

Why didn't Romney want his tax returns made public? Buffets secretary still pays more % than he does.

Buffets secretary is an employee and pays wage taxes just like you. Buffet earns money through his investments - dividends, interest, capital gains, etc. There is no way some one who takes the risks and invests should have to pay as much in taxes as those who simply work 8-5. There must be an incentive for people to invest (like lower taxes on gains) or there's no reason to invest. Don't kid yourself you ten-thousandaire with a 401k. When you retire and start withdrawing money from your retirement savings, you'll be bitching about losing almost 40% in taxes to support the lazy slobs that refuse to work and live a lifetime on welfare and the guberment teet.

And if you remember, a lot of the "loopholes & write-offs" you think you understand where closed when they raised your taxes.

I am with cacman- there should be an incentive to be successful. Or people will be comfortable being "hundredaires"

Truth is the poor pay more for everything! even interest! sadly no one really sees that the greatest welfare recipients are the wealthy, and I am not saying that that should change. Just stating a fact.

p.s. before some spry effer jumps on me that folks who lend money (i.e. risk takers) should be rewarded. Bull****- they borrow from the govt for 2% interest, lend you the money at 15% and if they fail, they just change the company name or get bailout- if you fail, your kids pay for your debt.

Lets put that in numbers, a rich person borrows $1000 and pays back $1100, over 5 years, with zero risk! like Lehman bros, if they cant pay it, they tell everyone to go fly a kite. You borrow $1000 and pay $2100 back with risk of losing more than the $1000 they borrowed.

I used to have $3.75

Bitter... you strike me as one of those old guys who forwards on every frantic email he gets, without ever bothering to check. This is just another one of those.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/2014-Tax-Increases.htm#.U1LLPfldWSo

And TMC....string of consonants... TPwhatever, you may want to make sure it's "factual tax info" before hitching your wagon to it.

Bassards...!!

Yup, you should wait and see if your kids are failures before you worry about an outside entity ruining life for them.

Wow.
You want some time to recant?

Sure, there are loop holes, etc.
But stick to reality.


Higher percentage than any billionaire? Not on your wages you aren't.
Unless you're paying a voluntary additional amount.

And if you think Romney must be hiding something, then you MUST be a "birther" as well. I mean, Obama hid his birth records longer than Romney hid his taxes.
And Obama has NEVER released his college records. Think of the possibilities: From using a foreign status to secure loans and/or admission. To writing anti-american or pro-marxist viewpoint while editor of the Harvard paper.

Because you would NEVER be so hypocritical to believe only Romney was hiding something, would you?

At least we can agree that a flat tax is the way to go.
No loop holes.
Earn X amount, pay a fixed percentage of X.

Earning MORE of X shouldn't be a penalty.

That's funny, because you strike me as someone living in Sec. 8 housing, voting for a living off the public dole, awkwardly indignant as others point out the damage done by those you vote for.

Your link pretty much validated everything I posted - did you bother to read any of it?


On the bright side, it also listed just a couple more facts that were left out, like:

The Obamacarefacts.com site listed the following taxes and tax credits relating to the Affordable Care Act:
ObamaCare Taxes That Most Likely Won't Directly Affect the Average American

(Because no true average American uses medical devices, tanning booths, medical insurance, hospitals, name-brand drugs, generic drugs or medicare, right?)

Here's your list:

• 2.3% Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers 2014

• 10% Tax on Indoor Tanning Services 2014

• Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike

• Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals which fail to comply with the requirements of ObamaCare

• Tax on Brand Name Drugs

• Tax on Health Insurers

• $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives

• Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D

• Employer Mandate on business with over 50 full-time equivalent employees to provide health insurance to full-time employees. $2000 per employee $3000 if employee uses tax credits to buy insurance on the exchange (marketplace). (pushed back to 2015)

• Medicare Tax on Investment Income 3.8% over $200k/$250k

• Medicare Part A Tax increase of .9% over $200k/$250k

• Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (not a tax)

• Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting (repealed)

• Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (not a tax)

ObamaCare Taxes That (may) Directly Affect the Average American

• 40% Excise Tax "Cadillac" on high-end Premium Health Insurance Plans 2018

• An annual $63 fee levied by ObamaCare on all plans (decreased each year until 2017 when pre-existing conditions are eliminated) to help pay for insurance companies covering the costs of high-risk pools.

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

• Additional Tax on HSA/MSA Distributions
Health savings account or an Archer medical savings account, penalties for spending money on non-qualified medical expenses. 10% to 20% in the case of a HSA and from 15% to 20% in the case of a MSA.

• Flexible Spending Account Cap 2013
Contributions to FSAs are reduced to $2,500 from $5,000.

• Medical Deduction Threshold tax increase 2013
Threshold to deduct medical expenses as an itemized deduction increases to 10% from 7.5%.

• Individual Mandate (the tax for not purchasing insurance if you can afford it) 2014
Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income tax surtax at a rate of 1% or $95 in 2014 to 2.5% in 2016 on profitable income above the tax threshold. The total penalty amount cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a "bronze level" health insurance plan on ObamaCare exchanges.

Guess that was more than a couple,huh?

Oh, hey, Paul? Your wagons hitched up just fine, buddy. The 2016 wagon train is gonna leave dirt all over the faces of the idiots who did this, too. That's why they're scrambling to hide as much of it as they can.

And wait 'til the employer mandate hits...yeah...

You need any more checking, you let me know, Vic!

I never credited you for too much brilliance. But this is a cigar forum. The people here generally pay money for a bundle of leaves and then burn them. Not exactly a "sec 8 housing" type of habit.


Really? Then you can't read. Apparently we're going to have to go through this point by point.

as the link pointed out, the top tax bracket was 39.6% before, and is 39.6% after. Who qualifies for the top bracket has changed, but your statement never included that. If you can't get this, I'm not sure you're qualified to read any further.

This doesn't even exist. There is no "income payroll tax". The idea that you'd think my link, which doesn't list fantasy land taxes, would prove your point just shows you don't understand it.


My link states that it went to 20%. It's in a nice handy little chart. I don't see how you could possibly miss it. Unless, you were just going down to the highest number and not realizing that it didn't apply to general capital gains... could that be it? Could your reading comprehension be as bad as the person who threw your list together? Yeah....


This isn't even mentioned in my link. But since you asked:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323689604578219952168695148
If you are making less than 400k annually, your dividend taxes don't change. If you're making more than 400k, your dividends go up to 20%. The 39.6% is a completely false and made up number. You've been duped.


That's just false. Estate tax is 0% for any amount under 5.6MM... and the top tax rate does not reach 55%.


Your reading comprehension is so poor, I don't think you could identify a fact nor understand what a tax actually applies to.

LOL!!! Got blunts?