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Do You Know the History Behind the Name ‘Washington Redskins’?
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Oct. 11, 2013 12:21pm Erica Ritz

Do you know the history of the Washington Redskins? As the issue becomes increasingly contentious — with many claiming the name is racist or discriminatory and pushing for a change — Glenn Beck tackled the issue head-on Friday.

“Ninety percent of Native Americans feel that the name isn’t offensive and shouldn’t be changed,” Beck remarked, echoing a letter written by the Redskins owner Dan Snyder to fans. “Students at primarily Native American schools all across America wear the name with pride, and say now they’re afraid they might lose the name. At Kingston Oklahoma high school, which is 58 percent Native American, the name ‘Redskins’ has been worn by its students for 104 years. In fact, ‘Redskins’ was a name first used by Native Americans.”

Glenn Beck Explains the History of the Washington Redskins
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“In 1932, the NFL team moved to the historic Fenway Park and were left under the leadership of George Preston Marshall. The very next year, Marshall changed the name to ‘Redskins.’ Why?” Beck continued. “Well that’s a good question for the president to ask … the name was changed to ‘Redskins’ to honor then-coach Lone Star Dietz, an American Sioux. So the name actually pays tribute to a great people.”

Switching to a deeply sarcastic voice, imitating those who want the name changed, Beck remarked: “But the people it pays tribute to? Oh, I guess they just don’t know any better. But Obama does. And Peter King does. And NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell does. But the majority of the Indians … don’t have a clue at all. The speech police using political correctness again to take care of these helpless, hopeless people so they are never harmed again. It’s for their own good…”

Beck said perhaps it’s not those who don’t want the name changed who are out of touch, but those “who have no connection to the Native American culture, people out there trying to draw attention to themselves.”
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jack

glen beck is a psychopath one doesn't quote from looney bins. and 90%, is a BS

number you heard sometime in your dreams.

are you realy a person, or a caricature of many parts
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RICKAMAVEN wrote:
jack

glen beck is a psychopath one doesn't quote from looney bins. and 90%, is a BS

number you heard sometime in your dreams.

are you realy a person, or a caricature of many parts


Just did.....Gonz
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jackconrad wrote:
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Oct. 11, 2013 12:21pm Erica Ritz

Do you know the history of the Washington Redskins? As the issue becomes increasingly contentious — with many claiming the name is racist or discriminatory and pushing for a change — Glenn Beck tackled the issue head-on Friday.

“Ninety percent of Native Americans feel that the name isn’t offensive and shouldn’t be changed,” Beck remarked, echoing a letter written by the Redskins owner Dan Snyder to fans. “Students at primarily Native American schools all across America wear the name with pride, and say now they’re afraid they might lose the name. At Kingston Oklahoma high school, which is 58 percent Native American, the name ‘Redskins’ has been worn by its students for 104 years. In fact, ‘Redskins’ was a name first used by Native Americans.”

Glenn Beck Explains the History of the Washington Redskins
Photo via TheBlaze TV
“In 1932, the NFL team moved to the historic Fenway Park and were left under the leadership of George Preston Marshall. The very next year, Marshall changed the name to ‘Redskins.’ Why?” Beck continued. “Well that’s a good question for the president to ask … the name was changed to ‘Redskins’ to honor then-coach Lone Star Dietz, an American Sioux. So the name actually pays tribute to a great people.”

Switching to a deeply sarcastic voice, imitating those who want the name changed, Beck remarked: “But the people it pays tribute to? Oh, I guess they just don’t know any better. But Obama does. And Peter King does. And NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell does. But the majority of the Indians … don’t have a clue at all. The speech police using political correctness again to take care of these helpless, hopeless people so they are never harmed again. It’s for their own good…”

Beck said perhaps it’s not those who don’t want the name changed who are out of touch, but those “who have no connection to the Native American culture, people out there trying to draw attention to themselves.”

some back info that has no bearing on the name-change argument...but I believe (from readings only) it is fairly well known and well documented that not only was GP Marshall a fervent racist, but Lone Star Dietz was an ex-con/con man who very likely made up his Indian ancestry.
tailgater Offline
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frankj1 wrote:
Lone Star Dietz was an ex-con/con man who very likely made up his Indian ancestry.


Here in Massachusetts we elect people to the Senate when they do that.
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tailgater wrote:
Here in Massachusetts we elect people to the Senate when they do that.


Rimshot!

Unfortunately, your state is not unique in that ablity.
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tailgater wrote:
Here in Massachusetts we elect people to the Senate when they do that.

but these guys left Boston for DC before we had a chance to honor them
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Gene363 wrote:

Rimshot!

Unfortunately, your state is not unique in that ablity.


Only in our ability to be so open about it.

Kennedy commits murder on the Vineyard? Elect him to the senate for 40+ years.

Elizabeth Warren uses falsified minority status to get a tenured position at Harvard? Elect her to the senate.

John Kerry speaks out against veteran groups, and throws his medals over the fence? Elect him to the senate.
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never snopesed it, but wasn't Curley elected Mayah of Boston while IN jail?
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BOSTON STRONG!!!!
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tailgater wrote:
Only in our ability to be so open about it.

Kennedy commits murder on the Vineyard? Elect him to the senate for 40+ years.

Elizabeth Warren uses falsified minority status to get a tenured position at Harvard? Elect her to the senate.

John Kerry speaks out against veteran groups, and throws his medals over the fence? Elect him to the senate.



Formerly married and formally Governor, Mark Sanford, went hiking the Appalachian Trail and ended up in Argentina with his lover/'soul mate'. He was later elected as a U.S. Representative.
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ZRX1200 wrote:
BOSTON STRONG!!!!

great town though.
teedubbya Offline
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Missouri elected a dead man. Of course the other option was Ashcroft.
teedubbya Offline
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And beck is a freak.
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In the time of chimpanzees
I was a monkey
Butane in my veins
So I'm out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs,
Spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose.... Whistle Whistle
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frankj1 wrote:
great town though.


It's da bomb...
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tailgater wrote:
Only in our ability to be so open about it.

Kennedy commits murder on the Vineyard? Elect him to the senate for 40+ years.

Elizabeth Warren uses falsified minority status to get a tenured position at Harvard? Elect her to the senate.

John Kerry speaks out against veteran groups, and throws his medals over the fence? Elect him to the senate.


Phht....It's not like you have to follow the laws or anything in MA. The Attorney General says so herself.

“Technically, it is not illegal to be illegal in Massachusetts”
- Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley on illegal immigration.
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They should be housing all the illegal childrens then.... Mellow
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ZRX1200 wrote:
BOSTON STRONG!!!!


True, I recall watching the news about a black family moving into the 'wrong' neighborhood in Boston. Their house burned that night.
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This debate on a national level is silly. Dan Snyder owns the team. He wants to keep the name. Simple as that. Is the name derogatory? Yes. Does it matter? No.
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Is the name derogatory? Yes.



No it's not... Not talking
gryphonms Offline
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Drafter, I am going to hold my breath till you change your opinion. 1, 2, 3. Well that's as long as I could hold my breath so it probably did not work. Oxygen deprivation, I forgot the issue.
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I'm American Indian.. I was raised and went to school with many other American Indians... hell I live in Oklahoma... I have yet to find one offended by this... Mellow
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Don't worry. There are plenty of pale faces that are offended for you.
teedubbya Offline
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Doesn't oklahoma mean red skin?

or somethin like that and stuff
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I dunno..... are we gonna have to change the states name too..?? Huh
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What does Oklahoma mean?

Oklahoma is based on Choctaw Indian words which translate as red people (okla meaning "people" and humma meaning "red"). Recorded history for the name "Oklahoma" began with Spanish explorer Coronado in 1541 on his quest for the "Lost City of Gold." Oklahoma became the 46th state on November 16, 1907.


d'oh!
teedubbya Offline
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Bahahahahaha

You didn't believe me did you?
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teedubbya wrote:
Bahahahahaha

You didn't believe me did you?



it sounded familiar so I double checked.... we're screwed.... Sad
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DrafterX wrote:
I'm American Indian.. I was raised and went to school with many other American Indians... hell I live in Oklahoma... I have yet to find one offended by this... Mellow


Except that your exposure to this place and it characters has undoubtedly hardened you. It made it far too easy for you to simply brush off just about anything. You must be a victim, think of all the heads that will explode if you are not.
d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!




And just in case: Sarcasm
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Drafted, all kidding aside I think you are missing my point. Offensive and derogatory have 2 different meanings. I am of Germanic decent. If someone calls me a kraut I am not offended at all, but the term is derogatory. If someone tells me I look Aryan I am offended because or what that meant to Nazi party, but the term is not derogatory.
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kraut... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
They should be housing all the illegal childrens then.... Mellow


Does Obama's Aunt Zetuni count?
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Applause yes, yes I am.
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I'm offended that you're not offended... Not talking

and maybe even a little outraged... Mellow
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Drafted, all kidding aside I think you are missing my point. Offensive and derogatory have 2 different meanings. I am of Germanic decent. If someone calls me a kraut I am not offended at all, but the term is derogatory. If someone tells me I look Aryan I am offended because or what that meant to Nazi party, but the term is not derogatory.


Actually, the OP maintains that the term is not derogatory. So your point was based on a false assumption.

And you know what happens when you assume...
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Gene363 wrote:

True, I recall watching the news about a black family moving into the 'wrong' neighborhood in Boston. Their house burned that night.


Lies.
Everyone knows that all the wrong neighborhoods are almost entirely black.
Geesh.

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tailgater wrote:
Lies.
Everyone knows that all the wrong neighborhoods are almost entirely black.
Geesh.



d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! Now that is funny, albeit sad, but funny. jester
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Gene363 wrote:

True, I recall watching the news about a black family moving into the 'wrong' neighborhood in Boston. Their house burned that night.


I moved from Atlanta to just outside Boston in 1973 in the middle of their "Bus Riots" ....

I remember scratching my head as I grew up in the middle of the civil rights era, and I was shocked to learn Yankees were this bent out of shape about the bussing situation.

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I moved from Atlanta to just outside Boston in 1973 in the middle of their "Bus Riots" ....

I remember scratching my head as I grew up in the middle of the civil rights era, and I was shocked to learn Yankees were this bent out of shape about the bussing situation.



Exactly.
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Look it up in the dictionary, any one you want. You will find the term considered derogatory. You may, but I do not find Glen Beck to be a reliable source of information.
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Did Indians write the dictionary?
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Do you find Glen Beck factual and logical?
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I love red skin potatoes
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I'm not sure who he is. So neither.

Unless Webster, or Merriman were native Americans, I can't accept their opinion on what Indians think of a word. Stop casting your moral values on others, do you think you're the government or something.
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Professor Luvell Anderson of the University of Memphis, in his paper "Slurring Words", argues that for a word to be a slur, the word must communicate ideas beyond identifying a target group, and that, slurs are offensive because the additional data contained in those words differentiates those individuals from otherwise accepted groups.

Are Indians not an accepted group in this country? We name sports teams after them for Christs sake.
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jetblasted wrote:
I moved from Atlanta to just outside Boston in 1973 in the middle of their "Bus Riots" ....

I remember scratching my head as I grew up in the middle of the civil rights era, and I was shocked to learn Yankees were this bent out of shape about the bussing situation.



You're a parent in Boston, in the early 70's.
You move to a decent neighborhood that has a decent school system for your kids.
You probably have to sacrifice somewhat just to live there, but it's the right thing to do.
There are no buses. Everyone walks. Because that school is for that neighborhood.

Then you learn that half the kids will be bused out to a school further away. A school that is known to be poor academically. And half the kids at that school will be bused in to your neighborhood school where you thought your kid would attend, and is the reason you sacrificed to move there.

Take away race, and you see concerned parents fighting the bureaucracy of a short sighted ruling.
The Roxbury school system is underfunded. No books. Few permanent teachers. Lack of desks and basic supplies. The problem might have been solved by removing the racially motivated school committee and channeling funds into the poorer schools. Instead, the students at both schools are forced into a racial storm front and education takes a back seat to politics.

I make no apologies for the bigotry that ensued. It's shameful and worthy of scorn and contempt. But it only became a racial issue because that was where the socioeconomic dividing line was drawn. The lowest common denominator. And it grew into real racism. But beneath this ugly moniker it began as a group of parents trying to do what was best for their kids.

Put yourself in the place of those parents.
There is more to this slice of history than just color.
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The intent of busing schoolkids did afford the disadvantaged a better chance at an education. The law of unintended consequences had other ideas, and so began the dumbing down of the US education system.

IMO, this idea that some children* learn differently or need special treatment is used as an excuse to let them flounder. If you expect more, you will get more. This is exactly why the children of so many immigrant families do so much better than native born children. Their parents make them study. Children without a proper caring family are typically going to struggle to keep up.

* I am talking about average children, not special needs children.
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I find this topic offensive .
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We would put you in the average children category not special needs dinkbat.
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