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Do You Know the History Behind the Name ‘Washington Redskins’?
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frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 7:50 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You're a parent in Boston, in the early 70's.
You move to a decent neighborhood that has a decent school system for your kids.
You probably have to sacrifice somewhat just to live there, but it's the right thing to do.
There are no buses. Everyone walks. Because that school is for that neighborhood.

Then you learn that half the kids will be bused out to a school further away. A school that is known to be poor academically. And half the kids at that school will be bused in to your neighborhood school where you thought your kid would attend, and is the reason you sacrificed to move there.

Take away race, and you see concerned parents fighting the bureaucracy of a short sighted ruling.
The Roxbury school system is underfunded. No books. Few permanent teachers. Lack of desks and basic supplies. The problem might have been solved by removing the racially motivated school committee and channeling funds into the poorer schools. Instead, the students at both schools are forced into a racial storm front and education takes a back seat to politics.

I make no apologies for the bigotry that ensued. It's shameful and worthy of scorn and contempt. But it only became a racial issue because that was where the socioeconomic dividing line was drawn. The lowest common denominator. And it grew into real racism. But beneath this ugly moniker it began as a group of parents trying to do what was best for their kids.

Put yourself in the place of those parents.
There is more to this slice of history than just color.

pretty good summary of the events. surprised you're old enough to recall it so accurately.

equal funding could have kept kids in the neighborhood their families chose, racial balance throughout the city's school system would not have been the goal had the local schools all offered equality in education and opportunity....though another story entirely is how those Boston neighborhoods became so racially/ethnically divided, knowing that history would make the existence of a racist school committee easy to understand. A mortgage story for another day...

TG, neither of us nor any our contemporaries need apologize for that era. Those that want to disparage one of the greatest cities in the world will find reason rather than exploring with open minds.
HockeyDad Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 8:06 AM EST
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It is still surprising that Boston didn't fight on the side of the confederacy.
gryphonms Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 8:24 AM EST
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TG, your post completly makes sense. I think there was an additional element to the problem. When 2 completely different groups of students are artificially forced to blend together tension and violence will escalate due to fear from both sides.
gryphonms Offline
#54 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 8:41 AM EST
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Drafter, if American Indians are not offended by the name no one should be including me. SD if American Indians do not find the name derogatory no one else should including me.
tailgater Offline
#55 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 8:44 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is still surprising that Boston didn't fight on the side of the confederacy.


No, but the Dukes of Hazard was the top rated show up here 3 years running.
tailgater Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 8:53 AM EST
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Frank,
It's an event that interested me when I was still a student, and I had done some basic research for papers, etc.
Then in more recent years, our local districts entered into a "School Choice" program, which prompted me to read up further because many of the same issues hold true.

So yes, I am too young to remember this.
But even if I had, the media reports that I've seen from that time frame do little to explain how it began. Instead they relish in the aftermath.
teedubbya Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 9:10 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
No, but the Dukes of Hazard was the top rated show up here 3 years running.




So while you sheltered in place waiting for the police to force you from your home so they could search your home and frisk you, you spent your free time watching cooter?
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 9:56 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So while you sheltered in place waiting for the police to force you from your home so they could search your home and frisk you, you spent your free time watching cooter?


Even the conspiracy theorists have dropped the home invasion routine.
What happen? Getting frustrated because somebody else doesn't like (I mean understand) soccer? Getting you hot under the collar?
And Roscoe was the sultry one. Get it right.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:03 AM EST
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Shelter in place with forced removal and frisk didn't really happen? It was a conspiracy theory?
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Shelter in place with forced removal and frisk didn't really happen? It was a conspiracy theory?



pretty much... kinda like the Holocaust.... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:08 AM EST
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Well at least he was right about Roscoe
tailgater Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:47 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Shelter in place with forced removal and frisk didn't really happen? It was a conspiracy theory?


You can't leave it alone? OK. I'll bite.

The answer is No.
There was NO shelter in place order. Anyone on the street in Watertown that day was not going to be arrested.
there was NO shelter in place.
A small number of homes were ordered to evacuate.
This was because evidence suggested the bombing suspect could have been inside.
Blood on the back stoop, to be specific (don't confuse this with your morning after effects or the reason you purchased that loofah on a stick).

Those residents in a handful of homes were terrifyingly removed at gunpoint so their premises could be searched for the terrorist. If you recall, a gun fight ensued the previous night. He was still dangerous.

This is similar to what would happen in a burning building. Officials remove you "for your own good".
Sure, a semi-automatic aimed at your face is different than a fire hose, but the reason is the same.

We can discuss the pros and cons of such an evacuation. We'd probably agree.

But if we were to have this conversation, you'd have to get your facts straight:
There was NO shelter in place.

Some people are easily influenced by media hype. They read things enough times and they think it makes it true.
That is part of the conspiracy theory that whack jobs spout off about.
tailgater Offline
#63 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Well at least he was right about Roscoe


Some things should never be made sport of.

Of course, Boss Hog had attributes even beyond his spectacular name.
shaun341 Offline
#64 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:56 AM EST
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I like the movie solely because Jessica Simpson is incredibly hot it.
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 10:59 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You can't leave it alone? OK. I'll bite.

The answer is No.
There was NO shelter in place order. Anyone on the street in Watertown that day was not going to be arrested.
there was NO shelter in place.





It was all over the internets.... Not talking
Gene363 Offline
#66 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It was all over the internets.... Not talking


Yup, including many appalling videos on YouTube.
victor809 Offline
#67 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:12 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You can't leave it alone? OK. I'll bite.

The answer is No.
There was NO shelter in place order. Anyone on the street in Watertown that day was not going to be arrested.
there was NO shelter in place.
A small number of homes were ordered to evacuate.
This was because evidence suggested the bombing suspect could have been inside.
Blood on the back stoop, to be specific (don't confuse this with your morning after effects or the reason you purchased that loofah on a stick).

Those residents in a handful of homes were terrifyingly removed at gunpoint so their premises could be searched for the terrorist. If you recall, a gun fight ensued the previous night. He was still dangerous.

This is similar to what would happen in a burning building. Officials remove you "for your own good".
Sure, a semi-automatic aimed at your face is different than a fire hose, but the reason is the same.

We can discuss the pros and cons of such an evacuation. We'd probably agree.

But if we were to have this conversation, you'd have to get your facts straight:
There was NO shelter in place.

Some people are easily influenced by media hype. They read things enough times and they think it makes it true.
That is part of the conspiracy theory that whack jobs spout off about.




This is what they told you to say while they had you shelter in place?

Cool...
HockeyDad Offline
#68 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:12 AM EST
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Made Boston look like District 9 for a day!
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:16 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

Yup, including many appalling videos on YouTube.



I saw one where they pistol whipped a puppy-dog cause he wouldn't stay... Mellow
Gene363 Offline
#70 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:24 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I saw one where they pistol whipped a puppy-dog cause he wouldn't stay... Mellow


Dem bass turds! ram27bat
victor809 Offline
#71 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:25 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Made Boston look like District 9 for a day!


In all fairness, that wasn't far to go.... Bostonites already are funny looking, and they sound exactly like those aliens.
gryphonms Offline
#72 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 11:30 AM EST
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Drafter, I hear puppy dogs go missing around the Asian neighborhood.
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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I don't begrudge anyone for using a term loosely, or as a punch line.
But when an actual discussion takes place it is often best to learn something on the subject at hand, rather than relying on a youtube video and conspiracy websites as your source.
victor809 Offline
#74 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 1:17 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone for using a term loosely, or as a punch line.
But when an actual discussion takes place it is often best to learn something on the subject at hand, rather than relying on a youtube video and conspiracy websites as your source.





dude...

conspiracy websites are the primary source for 98.2% of all posts in the politics tab. Where the hell have you been?
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 1:21 PM EST
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did you snopes that..?? Huh
Gene363 Offline
#76 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 1:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone for using a term loosely, or as a punch line.
But when an actual discussion takes place it is often best to learn something on the subject at hand, rather than relying on a youtube video and conspiracy websites as your source.




http://youtu.be/0A5vfyFyptQ

http://youtu.be/_MezLoczjfY

Just for balance, this guy thought, "Bill Maher and Ron Paul Overreacting To Boston Bomber Capture"

http://youtu.be/DrmvGs4Eud8

FWIW, a boat owner found scum bag number 2, not the militarized police search.
teedubbya Offline
#77 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 2:03 PM EST
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Who ya gonna beleive? Tailgator or your lyin eyes?
tailgater Offline
#78 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 3:33 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:


http://youtu.be/0A5vfyFyptQ

http://youtu.be/_MezLoczjfY

Just for balance, this guy thought, "Bill Maher and Ron Paul Overreacting To Boston Bomber Capture"

http://youtu.be/DrmvGs4Eud8

FWIW, a boat owner found scum bag number 2, not the militarized police search.


I the hopes that I don't embarrass you, please tell us what you think Shelter in Place means.
Because (to quote inigo Montoya) I don't think it means what you think it means.
victor809 Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 3:39 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I the hopes that I don't embarrass you, please tell us what you think Shelter in Place means.
Because (to quote inigo Montoya) I don't think it means what you think it means.



When I look it up in wikipedia it just has a picture of you with your pants down, face on the ground, drivers license in one hand and a white flag in the other...

Odd...

www.wikipedia.com/shelter-in-place/tails_surrendered_tail.asp

Whistle
Gene363 Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Jun 25 2014, 3:54 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
When I look it up in wikipedia it just has a picture of you with your pants down, face on the ground, drivers license in one hand and a white flag in the other...

Odd...

www.wikipedia.com/shelter-in-place/tails_surrendered_tail.asp

Whistle


I just cannot do any better than this, thank you Victor.
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2014, 8:57 AM EST
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Victor, that's the alternate definition.

Gene, you really don't know, do you?

Certainly makes one wonder what your motivation is to discuss the topic.
Bluedevil Offline
#82 Posted: Tue, Jul 1 2014, 3:28 AM EST
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Rick is great,
We let his politics run and ruin this Great country for 6 years.
God Bless you Rick ,I know you don't believe in him, but he believes in you, and that show a lot of grace!
May you live long enought to find him!!!!!
pdxstogieman Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 12:59 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:

True, I recall watching the news about a black family moving into the 'wrong' neighborhood in Boston. Their house burned that night.


So....how did that make you feel?
Gene363 Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Jul 2 2014, 1:20 AM EST
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Terrible, pretty much the same feeling I had during the Watts riots when some firemen were shot trying to put out a building fire, or when some azzhole sets off a bomb, how could anyone do that to someone they don't even know.
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