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victor809 Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 5:07 PM EST
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/cliven-bundy-blames-state-for-faulty-fence-after-woman-sues-him-for-interstate-cow-crash/
jackconrad Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 5:49 PM EST
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It's udderly ridiculous !
gryphonms Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:02 PM EST
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Actually I think it is ironic. Karma can be a b*tch.
banderl Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:10 PM EST
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Loved him in Married with Children.
teedubbya Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:31 PM EST
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The word illegal does not apply to him. He's a hero.
victor809 Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:43 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The word illegal does not apply to him. He's a hero.


Someone oughta build a wall or something.... illegal cows crossing out of that pasture and stuff.
tailgater Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:46 PM EST
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I think her beef is with the fence company.

She should have moooo'vd over on the highway.

She'll milk this one for her 15 minutes.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:46 PM EST
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Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl.... Laugh
tailgater Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:53 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl.... Laugh


Surely, you jest.
dkeage Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 6:54 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Surely, you jest.


Stop calling Drafter Shirley.
gryphonms Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 7:01 PM EST
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Would Laverne be better?
victor809 Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 7:04 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I think her beef is with the fence company.




Why?
The fence company wouldn't have been instructed to install a fence which would be cattle-proof.... you know... since there weren't supposed to be cattle there.
HockeyDad Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 8:18 PM EST
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There were supposed to be cows there.
DrafterX Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 8:22 PM EST
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Screw the cows.....Not talking Not talking
jackconrad Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 8:44 PM EST
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You realize there are some here that will read that as an invitation....^
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 8:47 PM EST
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freaks... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 10:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why?
The fence company wouldn't have been instructed to install a fence which would be cattle-proof.... you know... since there weren't supposed to be cattle there.


So well educated, yet lacking in pun recognition.
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 10:11 PM EST
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Victor knows his gazintas..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 10:27 PM EST
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Oh damn.... Totally went over my head
DrafterX Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Sep 18 2014, 10:31 PM EST
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You thought it was a gay-homo reference huh.. Mellow
jetblasted Offline
#21 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 1:14 AM EST
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I think Millard Fillmore was right !!
cacman Offline
#22 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 12:58 PM EST
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At least here in CO if you don't want free-range cattle on your property, it's up to you to put a fence up to keep them out.
Don't know the law there, but wouldn't it be up to the State to keep the Interstate clear and safe for driving. If there was a rock slide for example, who would be responsible?
victor809 Offline
#23 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 1:25 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
At least here in CO if you don't want free-range cattle on your property, it's up to you to put a fence up to keep them out.
Don't know the law there, but wouldn't it be up to the State to keep the Interstate clear and safe for driving. If there was a rock slide for example, who would be responsible?



Maybe I missed the point.
Why would the state be responsible for keeping someone's stuff off the road? Aren't the cattle the responsibility of the owner of said cattle?
cacman Offline
#24 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Maybe I missed the point.
Why would the state be responsible for keeping someone's stuff off the road? Aren't the cattle the responsibility of the owner of said cattle?

Read my post again. In CO if you want to keep free-range cattle off your property, then you are responsible for putting up a fence. It is NOT the cattle owners responsibility to fence them in or be liable for any damage. It's up to the State to keep the interstate free of all wildlife, including cattle, deer, elk, etc. and safe for driving.
gryphonms Offline
#25 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:25 PM EST
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In Wisconsin it is the farmers responsibility to keep livestock properly secured.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#26 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:26 PM EST
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in alabama if you find a wandering cow you can keep it, provided you make it your wife...
jetblasted Offline
#27 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:35 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
in alabama if you find a wandering cow you can keep it, provided you make it your wife...


Bless your heart . . .
victor809 Offline
#28 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:39 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
in alabama if you find a wandering cow you can keep it, provided you make it your wife...


hehehehe
DrMaddVibe Offline
#29 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:41 PM EST
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If our government system cannot and will not put a fence up that would repel the illegal hordes that are bankrupting local, state and federal entities what makes any sane person think they can keep cows out?
jetblasted Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:42 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
hehehehe


Bless your heart . . .
victor809 Offline
#31 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:45 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Read my post again. In CO if you want to keep free-range cattle off your property, then you are responsible for putting up a fence. It is NOT the cattle owners responsibility to fence them in or be liable for any damage. It's up to the State to keep the interstate free of all wildlife, including cattle, deer, elk, etc. and safe for driving.



Ok... I think I understand that. But does that mean free range cattle can range with absolute impunity? I guess I'm a little confused... it isn't like the road is bordering on property where free-range cattle are supposed to be. It's a road bordering on property where there aren't supposed to be cattle... right?

I mean, how far can these free-range cattle wander and have that "if you don't want them in your property you have to put up a fence" law still apply? If they wander into Denver proper and get hit by a car is it still the city's fault?
jetblasted Offline
#32 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 2:49 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Wheel... What you're doing isn't much different than saying "70% percent of all blacks like watermelon, so I'm gonna say these guys probably like watermelon". It's a stereotype. Even when based in real numbers assuming a individual is the same as a group based on nothing more than racial similarity is a stereotype.


What's the difference of racial stereotypes and regional stereotypes?

It's taboo to say that blacks like watermelon, but it's open season to say that people from alabama **** cows.

Grow the **** up . . .
victor809 Offline
#33 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 3:01 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
What's the difference of racial stereotypes and regional stereotypes?

It's taboo to say that blacks like watermelon, but it's open season to say that people from alabama **** cows.

Grow the **** up . . .



The glib answer would be that one's 70% and the other is 100%? :)

The correct answer would be that stereotyping based on region is stereotyping. Stereotyping based on race is racist. I suppose one could call the first "regionalist"....
HockeyDad Offline
#34 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 3:34 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
What's the difference of racial stereotypes and regional stereotypes?

It's taboo to say that blacks like watermelon, but it's open season to say that people from alabama **** cows.

Grow the **** up . . .



It is not a stereotype if it is true.
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 3:35 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Stereotyping based on race is racist. .


I don't think so.
Unless the stereotype in question somehow proves inferiority or otherwise diminishes the target racial group.

"chinese people are quiet".
This is a stereotype. But not racist.

To be fair, your statement is indeed abused and perceived as accurate by the liberal main stream media.
DrafterX Offline
#36 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 3:40 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:


"chinese people are quiet".




Is that cause they can't drive..?? Huh
victor809 Offline
#37 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 3:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I don't think so.
Unless the stereotype in question somehow proves inferiority or otherwise diminishes the target racial group.

"chinese people are quiet".
This is a stereotype. But not racist.

To be fair, your statement is indeed abused and perceived as accurate by the liberal main stream media.


An interesting distinction. I've heard it before... hell I've thought it in my past. I would argue that it is wrong however.

What about a "stereotype" like "all asians are good at math". Wouldn't you call that racist?

Hell, what about the stereotype "all blacks have huge ##cks". That seems kind of racist as well.

Both of those are what you'd call a positive attribute though.
jetblasted Offline
#38 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 4:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is not a stereotype if it is true.


Bless your heart . . .
jetblasted Offline
#39 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 4:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
"all blacks have huge ##cks".


I wouldn't know.

What I do know is while working at the world's busiest airport for 18+ years, I've noticed things about people of all nationalities and races that seem to stay true after years of observation. One thing I think is humorous is that it seems all Chinamen run everywhere. Even if it's to call the next person in line. They run 5 feet. Not walk, run.

See what I did there ?

The thing about blacks and watermelon is just plain stupid.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#40 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 4:28 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
What's the difference of racial stereotypes and regional stereotypes?

It's taboo to say that blacks like watermelon, but it's open season to say that people from alabama **** cows.

Grow the **** up . . .


are you from alabama or just take things way too seriously?

there is an easy distinction between the two things that were said... I sincerely doubt (and hope) that cow banging is not commonplace in alabama... it was said in jest... I think the people here who are "grown the **** up" understood that...
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#41 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 4:30 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
I wouldn't know.

What I do know is while working at the world's busiest airport for 18+ years, I've noticed things about people of all nationalities and races that seem to stay true after years of observation. One thing I think is humorous is that it seems all Chinamen run everywhere. Even if it's to call the next person in line. They run 5 feet. Not walk, run.

See what I did there ?

The thing about blacks and watermelon is just plain stupid.


so because you've noticed something about a certain race at an airport you work at it must be true for all people of that race? you really are from alabama aren't you?
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jetblasted wrote:
What's the difference of racial stereotypes and regional stereotypes?

It's taboo to say that blacks like watermelon, but it's open season to say that people from alabama **** cows.

Grow the **** up . . .


I heard Alabamans prefer to **** sheep.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#43 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 4:56 PM EST
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Vince Vaughn came on the Bob and Tom show once and told a great joke about alabama and sheep... the punchline is a toothless alabaman saying "well I ain't sheerin' this one wit' no one"... it doesn't really work as a written joke...
HockeyDad Offline
#44 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 5:01 PM EST
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Jetblasted always get offended when people make fun of slack jawed redneck southern hicks.
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#45 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 5:34 PM EST
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Victor....you toss that race card bull**** around as good or better than any Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson ever could. I'll tell you what I'd like to see....is you actually work....yes WORK for a living like a Clyde Bundy. And have to deal with government offices like the BLM....you'd be having F'n hissy fits!!!!

But then again I'll bet he's not nearly as proficient @ running off at the mouth as you are, so you do have that going for you.
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#46 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 5:59 PM EST
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I'm having a hard time finding empathy or outrage for him having "to deal with government offices like the BLM" when he owes over 20 years back fees to the BLM due to knowingly refusing to pay them.

I find extremely hilarious irony in the fact that Bundy is blaming the accident on the state and BLM, saying they should have done a better job with the fence when he has repeatedly refused to acknowledge them. Now, all of a sudden, he does and it's their fault. I'm starting to wonder if he posts here in his spare time.
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#47 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 6:06 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
I'm having a hard time finding empathy or outrage for him having "to deal with government offices like the BLM" when he owes over 20 years back fees to the BLM due to knowingly refusing to pay them.

I find extremely hilarious irony in the fact that Bundy is blaming the accident on the state and BLM, saying they should have done a better job with the fence when he has repeatedly refused to acknowledge them.



Well I have a hard time finding empathy for yet another Government entity created to TAX individual citizens for using land that no more belongs to Them....than you or me. And considering the multiple ways in which they waste our tax dollars with Impunity....I'm sorry I personally don't blame him @ALL.
Do you also find it hilarious that we have several elected officials who think They are above paying their fair share??
Hell Barry tried to install some in his cabinet.....Brick wall
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#48 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 6:10 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Victor....you toss that race card bull**** around as good or better than any Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson ever could. I'll tell you what I'd like to see....is you actually work....yes WORK for a living like a Clyde Bundy. And have to deal with government offices like the BLM....you'd be having F'n hissy fits!!!!

But then again I'll bet he's not nearly as proficient @ running off at the mouth as you are, so you do have that going for you.


There's a lot of odd concepts packed into that statement.
First, I'm not throwing any race card bullsh^t around. I'm using existing definitions of what racism is. This isn't even relevant to this particular thread, jet just dragged it in here because we were laughing about Alabamans(?)..(is that right? Or is it Alabominations?) predilection for cattle buggery (that's a joke Jet, no need to pull another thread in here). Don't get me wrong, I think racism is alive and well in america, there are plenty of examples of it and it will likely persist for many more generations. But here I've just been defining terms. To call that "tossing that race card" is pretty much equivalent to disagreeing with the dictionary.

Secondly... you want to see me work for a living like a rancher? Sorry, no. I've been well educated and trained so that I'm paid reasonably well to do the work I do. Do you want me to go work on an auto assembly line as well? What about at McDonalds? Do you want me to work for a living like a McDonalds employee too? Your implication that I don't really work is laughable. There's tons of posts on this very forum where I'm finishing my work for the day when Ram is waking up and posting. And funny enough, you have no idea what I do, because if you did you'd realize almost my entire job is in dealing with government regulations. I don't have hissy fits, I leave that to people who don't feel like they have control over a situation.

Lastly, thank you, I am very proficient at running off at the mouth. Decades of a love for reading and an overabundance of education provided me with a certain amount of oratory eloquence when it comes to the written word. I pride myself on it.
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#49 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 6:11 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Now, all of a sudden, he does and it's their fault. I'm starting to wonder if he posts here in his spare time.





Think
victor809 Offline
#50 Posted: Fri, Sep 19 2014, 6:14 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Well I have a hard time finding empathy for yet another Government entity created to TAX individual citizens for using land that no more belongs to Them....than you or me. And considering the multiple ways in which they waste our tax dollars with Impunity....I'm sorry I personally don't blame him @ALL.
Do you also find it hilarious that we have several elected officials who think They are above paying their fair share??
Hell Barry tried to install some in his cabinet.....Brick wall



Hang on a second here. You're gonna have to educate me a little bit on this one...
I could be wrong... but I'm pretty sure the land belonged to the government. I'm open to evidence that it didn't, but my understanding is that the land was government land.

As for wasting tax dollars... if you don't pay your taxes because you think the gov't wastes the money, do you think you're not gonna get arrested? I think we can chalk that up under another felony no one seems to care about here.
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