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In one instance it's the right to do something if I so choose. Choosing not to does not give up that right. In the other it is the right to prevent someone else (authorities) from doing something the law views as unreasonable. Chosing to give up the latter gives up a right. Choosing to not to immediately excersize the former does not give up the right. It's still there.

I understand what you are saying....once I allow it I have given up the right so it is no longer a right. But I did give it up. I didn't give up anything by choosing not to own a gun. Now if I entered into an agreement with the government preventing me from owning a gun that would be different. Then I would be giving up that right.

I guess we just disagree.

I don't disagree with you at all. Choosing not to have the cops over doesn't even come into play in something like this.

not so sure they can't come back tomorrow, or wouldn't try really hard to find a reason to after your voluntary invitation. You'd be opening up the candy store after hours! However, I agree with you that it is different than losing rights, though it is dumb. No program is needed for people harboring fears of their wild child or criminal husband...just drop a dime.

one off topic reaction to the Boston (actually Watertown) MA situation that has been added to this discussion. Though I live in the general vicinity, I did not have to make a decision about allowing a search of my property nor was my movement restricted.

Here is the thing everyone should consider instead of just ragging on Bostonians (fun as it may be for those jealous of us)...had this been one in a series of or simply one instance of abuse of power by the police/military by performing a "preventive crime sweep to benefit the citizenry" all the catcalls would make sense.

But many people had genuine reason to fear for their lives and welcomed the police. This was no false alarm like Ebola, trumped up to provide more power to those with uniforms. This was real kids, an ugly terrorist attack followed by at least one more murder followed by a perp tracked into their town. Alot of people reading this just might also have been willing to open the door to their home without feeling they'd opened the door to erosion of the Bill of Rights...especially at that point in time. Hard to be honest with oneself about this, easy to point the finger. Absolutists in print might be capable of wetting their pants in reality.

Honestly, I'm still not sure what I would have done.


I know the joke is coming so...Depends, right?

It's cool, I heard Frank's butthole never puckers after all those large-diameter strapons he's been pegged with.


See, I got your back Frank.

and to think I only expected...Depends!


never ever shoulda mentioned hot tubs.

i haven't shot ANYBODY with my new addition to my handgun collection........

i don't see what all the fuss is about...............