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Obama Warns Against Exaggerating the Islamic State Threat
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mikey1597 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 2:18 PM EST
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/01/obama-warns-against-exaggerating-the-islamic-state-threat/


You're kidding me. Guess he has to downplay his other mistake when he called them the JV. Hitler started small too.
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 2:23 PM EST
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The threat of radical Islam is nothing compared to what the political class and puppet masters ARE doing to us.
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 3:57 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The threat of radical Islam is nothing compared to what the political class and puppet masters ARE doing to us.

And so it is important that we have Islam bad guys to watch so we at not watching them.
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 4:11 PM EST
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Fun phrases to look for when the media talks about the bad guys:

"You know, they don't value life like we do"
"The all hate us for our freedom"
"They are told what to think and believe"
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 4:25 PM EST
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Exactly Brewha.

Both "sides" should see this.
frankj1 Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Feb 1 2015, 4:26 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The threat of radical Islam is nothing compared to what the political class and puppet masters ARE doing to us.

overreaction is the danger to our way of life.
TMCTLT Offline
#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 2 2015, 10:08 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The threat of radical Islam is nothing compared to what the political class and puppet masters ARE doing to us.



Hard to argue this very valid point....Brick wall
Gene363 Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 2 2015, 10:36 AM EST
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"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
gryphonms Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 2 2015, 11:03 AM EST
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It us a sad state if affairs that everything any politician say's is a lie or a promise that will be broken. Maybe everyone does not feel this way but I certainly do.
TMCTLT Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 6:01 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
overreaction is the danger to our way of life.



yeah.....that and flying planes into tall buildings to slaughter thousands and then making every American jump through hoops in order to not appear as though we're profiling. Whistle
frankj1 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 8:50 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
yeah.....that and flying planes into tall buildings to slaughter thousands and then making every American jump through hoops in order to not appear as though we're profiling. Whistle

oh, don't get me wrong. I have nothing but venom for their actions. and I agree they are a threat...but more so toward winning the battle of determining how we change our way of life than to whether we actually get killed by them.

I believe the number is about 2 dozen American deaths within our borders since 9-11. yet I'm sure you agree with me and chafe against the growth of a police state, more rigid policing of private citizens, more cameras, more intrusions into what you thought was your right to privacy, determining our foreign policies, and on and on and on and on.............

just a few more fear based changes, a few more Americans willing to hand over everything to the government in exchange for a false sense of security, and they will have completed their mission.
HockeyDad Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 10:59 AM EST
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Soon we'll all just shelter in place.
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 11:12 AM EST
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poor CROS.... Sad
gryphonms Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:04 PM EST
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I think Frank's perspective is correct.
jetblasted Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:06 PM EST
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Meanwhile, ISIS just burned alive one of their hostages.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:07 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Soon we'll all just shelter in place.

Dude! I've missed ya.

Glad I could set you up for a bash Boston softball, but I would have bet in light of Paris' recent manhunt/shutdown/paralysis you might let it ride...
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:11 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Meanwhile, ISIS just burned alive one of their hostages.

horrendous people, but I still don't want my phone tapped, etc.

do you?
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:12 PM EST
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I'd rather we just let a couple thousand get killed every few years and not have TSA and homeland security.

We are a very large country. 2k is almost nothing. We kill more than that ourselves.
jetblasted Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:41 PM EST
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The loss of civil liberties is appalling.

That attitude is kinda scary, victor.
gryphonms Offline
#20 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:42 PM EST
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About .00105% of our population died on 9/11. It was certainly horrific how they died, but that number is so miniscule that it does not really matter or than to their famulies. I am not a fan of the changes since then that have reduced our freedoms.
Gene363 Offline
#21 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:49 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
The loss of civil liberties is appalling...



True! It's a huge victory for the terrorists.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 1:58 PM EST
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Our over reaction since 911 is beyond the wildest fantasies of the terrorists. There is no way they expected us to willingly give up so many rights or blow through so many resources let alone blindly whack the hornets nest for them. We are just blind enought to continue or repeat but I think they know that now.

gryphonms Offline
#23 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 3:42 PM EST
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^+1
ZRX1200 Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 3:51 PM EST
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+2


Hey Victor.....what has the TSA stopped? NOTHING.

And in fact forces within our government overrode them lattice passengers on (Richard Ried).
DrafterX Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 3:56 PM EST
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Bassards took my brand new lighter from me... Mad
jetblasted Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 5:23 PM EST
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You can carry one Bic lighter, just not torch lighters.
jetblasted Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 5:30 PM EST
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He that would live in peace and at ease, Must not speak all he knows, nor judge all he sees. - Benjamin Franklin
jetblasted Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 5:32 PM EST
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Our great security lies, in our growing strength. - Benjamin Franklin

Which sounds like something Reagan would have said.
jetblasted Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 5:35 PM EST
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Ben liked to quote this old Italian saying, "Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you."

Something liberals could spend a month debating, but a conservative would get it right away.
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 5:40 PM EST
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screw the sheeps.... Not talking
jetblasted Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 6:00 PM EST
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^ Ah-HA !! ^
victor809 Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 6:16 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
Ben liked to quote this old Italian saying, "Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you."

Something liberals could spend a month debating, but a conservative would get it right away.


I dunno. this sounds like one of those dumb parables about sheep and wolves and there being two groups of wolves and sheep dogs or some dumb crap like that.

If you're a sheep you're better off poisoning all the wolves and the sheep dogs first. Because after the sheepdogs kill the wolves they're gonna get hungry too.
jetblasted Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 6:22 PM EST
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I rest my case ... LoL
victor809 Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 8:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
+2


Hey Victor.....what has the TSA stopped? NOTHING.

And in fact forces within our government overrode them lattice passengers on (Richard Ried).


Dude...I wasn't being sarcastic. I think the loss of freedoms and enormous cost is not worth stopping a few thousand deaths.

frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 9:07 PM EST
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freedom has a price, caving in to external fears/threats by compromising freedoms is not an option.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 10:17 PM EST
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freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
jetblasted Offline
#37 Posted: Tue, Feb 3 2015, 10:23 PM EST
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^ Kris Kristofferson ^
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 7:28 AM EST
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Think



I thought Glen Campbell wrote that song about his friend Bobby...
Krazeehorse Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 8:48 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
yeah.....that and flying planes into tall buildings to slaughter thousands and then making every American jump through hoops in order to not appear as though we're profiling. Whistle


Pluck it....I'm profiling. If Wile E. Coyote gets on my plane with his Acme dynamite plunger and Abdul gets on as well, guess who I'm keeping an eye on!
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#40 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 9:36 AM EST
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Krazeehorse wrote:
Pluck it....I'm profiling. If Wile E. Coyote gets on my plane with his Acme dynamite plunger and Abdul gets on as well, guess who I'm keeping an eye on!




Profiling is good when used correctly.

fog
cacman Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 12:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose

Janis Joplin - Me And Bobby Mcgee

Busted flat in Baton Rouge, waiting for a train
And I's feeling nearly as faded as my jeans.
Bobby thumbed a diesel down just before it rained,
It rode us all the way to New Orleans.

I pulled my harp from and my dirty red bandanna,
I was playing soft while Bobby sang the blues.
Windshield wipers slapping time, I was holding Bobby's hand in mine,
We sang every song that driver knew.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free, now now.
And feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.

From the Kentucky coal mines to the California sun,
Hey, Bobby shared the secrets of my soul.
Through all kinds of weather, through everything that we done,
Hey Bobby baby kept me from the cold.

One day up near Salinas, Lord, I let him slip away,
He's looking for that home and I hope he finds it,
But I'd trade all of my tomorrows for one single yesterday
To be holding Bobby's body next to mine.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing, that's all that Bobby left me, yeah,
But feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
Hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm,
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.

La la la, la la la la, la la la, la la la la
La la la la la Bobby McGee.
La la la la la, la la la la la
La la la la la, Bobby McGee, la.

La La la, la la la la la la,
La La la la la la la la la, hey now Bobby now Bobby McGee yeah.
Na na na na na na na na, na na na na na na na na na na na
Hey now Bobby now, Bobby McGee, yeah.

Lord, I'm calling my lover, calling my man,
I said I'm calling my lover just the best I can,
C'mon, where is Bobby now, where is Bobby McGee, yeah,
Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lord
Hey, hey, hey, Bobby McGee, Lord!

Yeah! Whew!

Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lordy Lord
Hey, hey, hey, Bobby McGee.
victor809 Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 12:35 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Profiling is good when used correctly.

fog


Profiling is dumb and lazy.

While krazee is keeping his eye on wil-e-coyote and "abdul", the Taliban has focused all its efforts on recruiting people who don't fit your profile.

Life isn't some sort of silly computer game. While the people you face may be #ssholes, they're still smart enough to respond to changing circumstances.

And lets not even get into the blind spots profiling creates for domestic, non islamic terrorists this creates.
Buckwheat Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 12:35 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And so it is important that we have Islam bad guys to watch so we at not watching them.



Ding, Ding, Ding... We have a winner! "I'll take 'Things that should be well known facts' for $200, Trebek" horse
TMCTLT Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 2:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Profiling is dumb and lazy.

While krazee is keeping his eye on wil-e-coyote and "abdul", the Taliban has focused all its efforts on recruiting people who don't fit your profile.

Life isn't some sort of silly computer game. While the people you face may be #ssholes, they're still smart enough to respond to changing circumstances.

And lets not even get into the blind spots profiling creates for domestic, non islamic terrorists this creates.




Of course your always right, much better to make an entire population feel like a criminal. and some of your comments about being okay with a couple thousand dying to retain your freedom to be a tool....is just over the top, Do your family members know your okay with them dying so you can continue to be a douche??? Life is also Not just about getting drunk and dry humping a light pole either.
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#45 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 2:38 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Of course your always right, much better to make an entire population feel like a criminal. and some of your comments about being okay with a couple thousand dying to retain your freedom to be a tool....is just over the top, Do your family members know your okay with them dying so you can continue to be a douche??? Life is also Not just about getting drunk and dry humping a light pole either.



Ok...
so, from the above statement I can assume that you're willing to give up any freedoms whatsoever to feel safe. Great. Good for you.

I don't believe our entire population should feel like criminals. I already said we should just get rid of the TSA and Homeland security. I don't believe the threat of death is significant enough to justify the loss of freedoms. You apparently are cool with loss of freedom as long as it reduces your threat of death. Great. Good for you.

As for my family members... you're real classy here. But I'm willing to throw them into the mix too, since you're gonna be so classy as to include them. A terrorist attack is a semi-random event. The risk of it happening to you, or someone you're directly related to is very low (especially when you live in the middle of nowhere). With a very low risk of occurrence, and an even lower risk that it will directly impact me, I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms to mitigate that risk. I don't believe the minuscule risk justifies the known and immediate loss of freedoms. You apparently are cool with that. Great. Good for you.

You go ahead and live in the safe little nanny-state you want.
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#46 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 3:03 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Ok...
so, from the above statement I can assume that you're willing to give up any freedoms whatsoever to feel safe. Great. Good for you.

I don't believe our entire population should feel like criminals. I already said we should just get rid of the TSA and Homeland security. I don't believe the threat of death is significant enough to justify the loss of freedoms. You apparently are cool with loss of freedom as long as it reduces your threat of death. Great. Good for you.

As for my family members... you're real classy here. But I'm willing to throw them into the mix too, since you're gonna be so classy as to include them. A terrorist attack is a semi-random event. The risk of it happening to you, or someone you're directly related to is very low (especially when you live in the middle of nowhere). With a very low risk of occurrence, and an even lower risk that it will directly impact me, I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms to mitigate that risk. I don't believe the minuscule risk justifies the known and immediate loss of freedoms. You apparently are cool with that. Great. Good for you.

You go ahead and live in the safe little nanny-state you want.



You sir know NOTHING about class as you clearly are bothered by my including YOUR relatives into the mix of as YOU put it " a couple thousand lives " What kind of person is okay with loss of life of any kind as long as they're not their family members????And just so you know....I do not feel one bit safer with ALL the bull**** that's been put in place since 911 in regards to flying. And yes I prefer to live in the Mid West or no where as you call it rather than in some bastion of liberal nutjobs like yourself.
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#47 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 3:17 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
You sir know NOTHING about class as you clearly are bothered by my including YOUR relatives into the mix of as YOU put it " a couple thousand lives " What kind of person is okay with loss of life of any kind as long as they're not their family members????And just so you know....I do not feel one bit safer with ALL the bull**** that's been put in place since 911 in regards to flying. And yes I prefer to live in the Mid West or no where as you call it rather than in some bastion of liberal nutjobs like yourself.



You asked me if I would like to put my family members into the mix of a couple thousand lives. You realize how dumb that is, right? I stated very clearly that I will willingly put my family members at the same level of risk I'm willing to take myself, and at the same level of risk I would expect the rest of the nation to accept. You're not smart enough to understand risk, so your response is that I should essentially have my relatives killed, without providing them the same level of chance of not being killed (which the rest of the population has). That sounds classy.
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#48 Posted: Wed, Feb 4 2015, 8:46 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Ding, Ding, Ding... We have a winner! "I'll take 'Things that should be well known facts' for $200, Trebek" horse

Unfortunately for many, the more the light of true and knowledge shines down upon their minds eye, the more the iris closes.....
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#49 Posted: Thu, Feb 5 2015, 6:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You asked me if I would like to put my family members into the mix of a couple thousand lives. You realize how dumb that is, right? I stated very clearly that I will willingly put my family members at the same level of risk I'm willing to take myself, and at the same level of risk I would expect the rest of the nation to accept. You're not smart enough to understand risk, so your response is that I should essentially have my relatives killed, without providing them the same level of chance of not being killed (which the rest of the population has). That sounds classy.



You wouldn't recognize class if it crawled up your ASS and set up camp. You only included your family members after being called out on it
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#50 Posted: Thu, Feb 5 2015, 6:26 PM EST
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Nothing like a conversation between Paul & Victor. I'm surprised this is free. I'd charge admission.
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