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victor809 Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Feb 5 2015, 7:34 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
You wouldn't recognize class if it crawled up your ASS and set up camp. You only included your family members after being called out on it


Hey shortbus... I certainly didn't exclude them. Did my statement say "I'd rather we just let a couple thousand get killed every few years and not have TSA and homeland security as long as they aren't related to me."? No, it didn't. The implication in my statement, which everyone else understood except you, is that I found the additional risk of death for me, my family, my friends and anyone I may know or not know minor and acceptable.

You, being devoid of class, decided I must have meant "two thousand people who I'm not related to should die"... and decided to ask me if I would be willing to specifically put my family in that two thousand number. Because you're classy.... and apparently also willing to forgo any freedom whatsoever to have a government promise you it will keep you safe.

Essentially, I look at you as devoid of class and driven by fear. You're like a joke to me.
TMCTLT Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Feb 5 2015, 11:59 PM EST
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Hey mental case....go F*U*C*K yourself, your totally devoid of class and completely FULL of YOURSELF. Why don't you show your family members what you put down here and see who they think rides the short bus and cares little to nothing for his fellow man. Nice job of back tracking though reallyBeer
bgz Offline
#53 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:46 AM EST
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My two cents...

It's all about profit.

Fear sells.

War sells.

You need people like me so you can point your f'in' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy!

- Tony Montana


I could give my full opinion, but it would take too long.
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 12:25 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Hey mental case....go F*U*C*K yourself, your totally devoid of class and completely FULL of YOURSELF. Why don't you show your family members what you put down here and see who they think rides the short bus and cares little to nothing for his fellow man. Nice job of back tracking though reallyBeer


Point out any instance where I backtracked. I've stated the same, very clear message throughout this thread. Perhaps what you perceive as backtracking is your inability to understand the written word?

Good to see you're still dragging family into things here. Keep it klassy big boy.
TMCTLT Offline
#55 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 12:33 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Point out any instance where I backtracked. I've stated the same, very clear message throughout this thread. Perhaps what you perceive as backtracking is your inability to understand the written word?

Good to see you're still dragging family into things here. Keep it klassy big boy.



YOUR WORDS.....

I'd rather we just let a couple thousand get killed every few years and not have TSA and homeland security.

We are a very large country. 2k is almost nothing. We kill more than that ourselves.


I don't see anywhere where you included your family members.....but once I did your lacies got all bunched up. So one is left to understand that your okay with a couple thousand American lives being lost as long as it's no one you know or are related to. I understand the written word just fine, I also recognize a self centered ****** when I see one.
I'm curious though, how do "we" kill more than that ourselves?

I am no more or less willing to allow someone else to die so that I may enjoy OUR freedoms without including myself or family members. You are what you are....embrace it you classless maroon.
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 12:54 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
YOUR WORDS.....

I'd rather we just let a couple thousand get killed every few years and not have TSA and homeland security.

We are a very large country. 2k is almost nothing. We kill more than that ourselves.


I don't see anywhere where you included your family members.....but once I did your lacies got all bunched up. So one is left to understand that your okay with a couple thousand American lives being lost as long as it's no one you know or are related to. I understand the written word just fine, I also recognize a self centered ****** when I see one.
I'm curious though, how do "we" kill more than that ourselves?


... you are the absolute only person who made the assumption that I was not including the entirety of the american population when I said "couple thousand americans".... I suppose that would be a fair assumption if I were a first generation immigrant, but as it stands, you made an assumption that I wasn't including myself and my family as at the same amount of risk as anyone else. Your assumption was wrong, and you seem to be unwilling to understand that.

As for "we kill more than that ourselves"... are you serious? Do you think 2k deaths is significant?
We have an average of 3500 people drowning per year. You don't see a Department of Water Safety checking your butthole for beer before letting you on the lage.
We have approximately 30,000 in traffic deaths annually. Are you searched before getting into your car every morning?
We literally had 40K suicides a year. That is LITERALLY us killing ourselves.
There are 27,000 accidental fall deaths annually.
There are 36,000 accidental poisoning deaths annually.

And these are just ACCIDENTAL deaths, not crime related at all. Do you grasp at all how odd your fear is, and how illogical it is for you to be willing to give up all your freedoms just to have someone tell you they're keeping you from being one of those 2k people? You have a better chance of falling and dying. Or dying in a car wreck.
TMCTLT Offline
#57 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 1:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
... you are the absolute only person who made the assumption that I was not including the entirety of the american population when I said "couple thousand americans".... I suppose that would be a fair assumption if I were a first generation immigrant, but as it stands, you made an assumption that I wasn't including myself and my family as at the same amount of risk as anyone else. Your assumption was wrong, and you seem to be unwilling to understand that.

As for "we kill more than that ourselves"... are you serious? Do you think 2k deaths is significant?
We have an average of 3500 people drowning per year. You don't see a Department of Water Safety checking your butthole for beer before letting you on the lage.
We have approximately 30,000 in traffic deaths annually. Are you searched before getting into your car every morning?
We literally had 40K suicides a year. That is LITERALLY us killing ourselves.
There are 27,000 accidental fall deaths annually.
There are 36,000 accidental poisoning deaths annually.

And these are just ACCIDENTAL deaths, not crime related at all. Do you grasp at all how odd your fear is, and how illogical it is for you to be willing to give up all your freedoms just to have someone tell you they're keeping you from being one of those 2k people? You have a better chance of falling and dying. Or dying in a car wreck.




And you are the ONLY person to have said they're okay with a couple thousand lives lost to Terrorism, I use that word since the original conversation was spawn from our Gov's reaction after 911. That is hardly the same as comparing your list of ACCIDENTS happening annually each year where people do **** that causes them to loose their life, but then you being the genius that you believe yourself to be....you already knew that. Even your estimation on suicides is STILL ( short of mental disorder ) ones OWN decision not someone elses. Try keeping the conversation apples to apples. d'oh!
TMCTLT Offline
#58 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 1:16 PM EST
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Here's a bit more on our Dear Leader......don't miss the part where he indulges them to NOT forclose to the media what was being discussed. More of that TRANSPARENCY he said he'd bring to the office of POTUS Liar

He wouldn't know transparency if it crawled up his azz


http://www.gopusa.com/news/2015/02/06/obamas-private-white-house-meeting-with-muslim-american-leaders/?subscriber=1
victor809 Offline
#59 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 1:52 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
And you are the ONLY person to have said they're okay with a couple thousand lives lost to Terrorism, I use that word since the original conversation was spawn from our Gov's reaction after 911. That is hardly the same as comparing your list of ACCIDENTS happening annually each year where people do **** that causes them to loose their life, but then you being the genius that you believe yourself to be....you already knew that. Even your estimation on suicides is STILL ( short of mental disorder ) ones OWN decision not someone elses. Try keeping the conversation apples to apples. d'oh!


Dude. I am simply pointing out that if you're so willing to throw away your freedoms to keep yourself safe in the less that 0.00063% chance (actually lower, as that would require an attack annually) that you're going to die from a terrorist.. then what sort of freedoms are you willing to throw away to make sure you don't get killed in a car accident? What about from a random crime? Your decision making is driven by fear. That's fine, you can be one of those people. I choose not to make my decisions based on the chance that something bad may or may not happen, and is very unlikely to directly impact me in the off chance it does happen. As for me being the only one to say that... so? Do I have to have the same level of fear avoidance as everyone else?

People die all the time from any number of things. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time ANYTIME. You're fixated on some evil brown people who you're sure are coming for you (I believe you were convinced they were going to send ebola across the border just a few months ago... until the elections ended and they stopped sending you chain emails about it)... Go ahead, be afraid. Just don't screw with my freedoms because you're afraid, and don't try to guilt me into not being driven by fear with bull-sh$#t like "why don't you show your family what you put down here"... grow a set and learn some class.
TMCTLT Offline
#60 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:02 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Dude. I am simply pointing out that if you're so willing to throw away your freedoms to keep yourself safe in the less that 0.00063% chance (actually lower, as that would require an attack annually) that you're going to die from a terrorist.. then what sort of freedoms are you willing to throw away to make sure you don't get killed in a car accident? What about from a random crime? Your decision making is driven by fear. That's fine, you can be one of those people. I choose not to make my decisions based on the chance that something bad may or may not happen, and is very unlikely to directly impact me in the off chance it does happen. As for me being the only one to say that... so? Do I have to have the same level of fear avoidance as everyone else?

People die all the time from any number of things. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time ANYTIME. You're fixated on some evil brown people who you're sure are coming for you (I believe you were convinced they were going to send ebola across the border just a few months ago... until the elections ended and they stopped sending you chain emails about it)... Go ahead, be afraid. Just don't screw with my freedoms because you're afraid, and don't try to guilt me into not being driven by fear with bull-sh$#t like "why don't you show your family what you put down here"... grow a set and learn some class.



Your wrong and totally off base about my living in fear or being afraid of some " brown skinned people " Your words not mine....I am totally appalled @ what our Gov.'s knee jerk reaction to 911 has been and have stated unequivically that we are NOT one bit safer since their implementation. But @ the same time your comparison of terrorism brought upon us to folks doing dumb **** is well......DUMB.
themunmypaw Offline
#61 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:14 PM EST
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If anything I'd be more worried about the people south of the border than the ones across the globe.
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:15 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Your wrong and totally off base about my living in fear or being afraid of some " brown skinned people " Your words not mine....I am totally appalled @ what our Gov.'s knee jerk reaction to 911 has been and have stated unequivically that we are NOT one bit safer since their implementation. But @ the same time your comparison of terrorism brought upon us to folks doing dumb **** is well......DUMB.


you can't have it both ways. either you want the gov't to continue trying to keep you "safe" (quotes are intentional), or you want the gov't to just butt the hell out and are willing to accept the risk of loss of american lives. I'm just stating the risk clearly and stating that I'm ok with the risk. As for my comparison, I'm just pointing out that a single terrorist attack a decade ago is an absolute drop in the bucket of "american deaths"... yet you're willing to have your entire way of life altered because of it.
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#63 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:26 PM EST
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Hate to interrupt this dialogue, but there are a few points I would like to make. My concern is the ongoing lose of individual rights/freedoms. I do not want our government becoming a larger part of my life annually, I want our government to become a smaller part if my life annually. Also I can think for myself, I do not need the government telling me what I should think. So from both sides of this discussion what I want is less government involvement. Right now the president is telling me what I should think, that is not very far from being told how to think. Right now homeland security tells me my life is safe, that is not very far from telling me how to live.
Krazeehorse Offline
#64 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 2:33 PM EST
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Well Debbie Wasserman Schulz isn't afraid to say that Islam Fundamentalists are the enemy, depending on the audience anyway.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/02/wasserman_schultz_goes_off_the_reservation_repudiates_obama_position_on_islamic_terror_attacks_msnbc.html
TMCTLT Offline
#65 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 4:09 PM EST
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themunmypaw wrote:
If anything I'd be more worried about the people south of the border than the ones across the globe.



How do we know they're not getting here @ the same point of entry, undetected ???? They have the $$$ to do it....lots of terrorist funding out there



quote=victor809]you can't have it both ways. either you want the gov't to continue trying to keep you "safe" (quotes are intentional), or you want the gov't to just butt the hell out and are willing to accept the risk of loss of american lives. I'm just stating the risk clearly and stating that I'm ok with the risk. As for my comparison, I'm just pointing out that a single terrorist attack a decade ago is an absolute drop in the bucket of "american deaths"... yet you're willing to have your entire way of life altered because of it. [/quote]


Show me one time where I said I wanted or needed The Feds to keep me and mine safe. fog
victor809 Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 4:55 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:


Show me one time where I said I wanted or needed The Feds to keep me and mine safe. fog


Every post you've made here has been about your disagreement with my statement that I did not want the government involved.

I think I see the problem here. You're an idiot.

Clearly you think there is some fantastical situation where there's no risk to lives, no government involvement, no bumbling attempts at keeping the population "safe" and no one dies ever. I hate to break it to you. Santa Claus does not exist.

Please... tell me. In what scenario do you imagine we have zero involvement by the government in attempts to keep us safe (and no, I don't actually think their attempts are helping keep us safe, but they are collecting tax money to pretend to) and no one is at risk of dying in a terrorist attack ever?

Admit it. The instance someone points out that there is a potential (minor) cost in lives to something, you get extra scared and try to get them to tell you everything will be ok, and no one needs to die ever. If they don't you decide to try to guilt them into agreeing with you by suggesting their family should be part of the dead group.
TMCTLT Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 5:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Every post you've made here has been about your disagreement with my statement that I did not want the government involved.

I think I see the problem here. You're an idiot.

Clearly you think there is some fantastical situation where there's no risk to lives, no government involvement, no bumbling attempts at keeping the population "safe" and no one dies ever. I hate to break it to you. Santa Claus does not exist.

Please... tell me. In what scenario do you imagine we have zero involvement by the government in attempts to keep us safe (and no, I don't actually think their attempts are helping keep us safe, but they are collecting tax money to pretend to) and no one is at risk of dying in a terrorist attack ever?

Admit it. The instance someone points out that there is a potential (minor) cost in lives to something, you get extra scared and try to get them to tell you everything will be ok, and no one needs to die ever. If they don't you decide to try to guilt them into agreeing with you by suggesting their family should be part of the dead group.




I had no idea including you and yours in the " thousands your willing to let parish @ the hands of terrorists " would get you so worked up Junior waaaah

AGAIN, show me where I stated I needed the Feds to " feel safer"
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, Feb 6 2015, 5:13 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
I had no idea including you and yours in the " thousands your willing to let parish @ the hands of terrorists " would get you so worked up Junior waaaah

AGAIN, show me where I stated I needed the Feds to " feel safer"



I just did. If you're not smart enough to understand my statement, it isn't my problem.

And as I stated, I include myself and my family when I say "americans". You may have a different definition of "americans" than that, but that goes back to a "your problem" thing. You've got no class and are driven by fear. It's kind of disgusting.
TMCTLT Offline
#69 Posted: Sat, Feb 7 2015, 8:53 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I just did. If you're not smart enough to understand my statement, it isn't my problem.

And as I stated, I include myself and my family when I say "americans". You may have a different definition of "americans" than that, but that goes back to a "your problem" thing. You've got no class and are driven by fear. It's kind of disgusting.




Now THAT is something you ARE well versed in Beer
victor809 Offline
#70 Posted: Sat, Feb 7 2015, 1:54 PM EST
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Aww... You're out of semi-rational and completely irrational arguments... And that's what you're left with.
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#71 Posted: Sat, Feb 7 2015, 3:14 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Profiling is dumb and lazy.

While krazee is keeping his eye on wil-e-coyote and "abdul", the Taliban has focused all its efforts on recruiting people who don't fit your profile.

Life isn't some sort of silly computer game. While the people you face may be #ssholes, they're still smart enough to respond to changing circumstances.

And lets not even get into the blind spots profiling creates for domestic, non islamic terrorists this creates.




Hate to tell you Vic, you don't have a clue.
twink Offline
#72 Posted: Sat, Feb 7 2015, 3:21 PM EST
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Ive seen better arguments from a dog and cat in the same box.
cacman Offline
#73 Posted: Sun, Feb 8 2015, 12:15 PM EST
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Obama is an idiot.
The only argument is over how BIG of an idiot is he?
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#74 Posted: Sun, Feb 8 2015, 12:21 PM EST
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-xqiG9LOc
jd50ae Offline
#75 Posted: Sun, Feb 8 2015, 1:25 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Obama is an idiot.
The only argument is over how BIG of an idiot is he?

He is the worst thing that has happened to this country in my life time. But, he seems to have noticed that others are taking the fight to isis and is finally giving some help. And of course he will take credit for any good news and say that was his plan all along. He can't leave the WH fast enough.
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#76 Posted: Sun, Feb 8 2015, 1:42 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
^ Kris Kristofferson ^

Yup. He wrote it... Was originally performed by Roger Miller
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#77 Posted: Sun, Feb 8 2015, 2:57 PM EST
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Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal assured President Obama Friday that the “Medieval Christian threat” is under control, and urged him to worry instead about the current threat of radical Islam".
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