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That analogy would make sense if it was our great grandfather that screwed his friend's wife. They're all dead now.

Just saw the video... stupid.

They should have expelled the kids, and if the fraternity shared their sentiment, disband it on that campus.

My point still stands... if it were black students chanting "no crackers", I would feel the same way. Everyone should.

Let's not forget this happened where drafter lives and it is a direct reflection of him and his views.

(No access to the sarcasm emoji and no way to make it obvious I'm kidding)

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Strangely, I'm still not convinced the state school can expel them without making a questionable statement regarding free speech and access to state education.

From a purely objective view, "cracker" is not equal to the n-word. It simply isn't. The word "cracker" was created from a position of weakness. It isn't a reference to the domination of a race. Similarly, there is no equal to threatening to lynch a black man. Note, I'm not disagreeing that everyone hates each other and would piss in each other's beer when they aren't looking if there were an opportunity. All people are horrible, white or black. I'm simply stating that the is not an equal to the vocabulary.

The equivalent would be if a german were to joke about "kikes" and killing them in gas chambers, and making them into lamp shades etc. That's the closest equivalent. But even that only lasted a few years, not generations.

That is not the equivalent.
These boys were "enforcing" a "no blacks aloud" policy. One so strong they even had a song about it. They don't have the right to do that at that college. Their fraternity is a college insttiution under the schools control. What they sang was sort ort of an admission, if you will. They had their free speech where they wanted, when they wanted. They broke , at the very least, university rules by creating a hostile environment for blacks.

I dunno. Ultimately it may be the civil rights act that protects THEM.

Hopefully it won't come to that. If these gentlemen are smart they will let it go, disappear, and reinvent themselves rather than fighting and making this their claim to fame.

Bloody moved on....

I could sure use a turkey about now...

I heard a rumor that Obama was signing an executive order banning the sale and consumption of turkeys in the US.

Whomever posted the video created the hostile environment.

But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

down the slippery slope we go...

Perhaps it actually is?

Went to the gym this morning. My friend Al and I spoke about this whole thing during our workout.

Al and I always speak frankly, even about these issues. I speak my mind and give my perspective, he speaks his mind and gives his (Al is a black man). I have a healthy respect for Al, because he doesn't hide anything... he says what he feels.

I told Al about the conversation Victor and I were having and he explained things from his perspective. I won't go into what he said or the analogies that he used to make me understand his particular point of view, but I have a better understanding of what Victor was talking about.

Al and I agree that things are getting better, and that we should be on equal footing. We have to meet in the middle and the roles can't be reversed. What is unacceptable for one is equally unacceptable for the other. But... 50 years is not remotely enough time to change a culture, and maybe I need to be a little more understanding of that.

Macs, this is not the type of post I would ever expect to read here.

it is encouraging, not because you are being open to Victor's reading of the situation specifically, but that you are being open at all to an opinion totally against the group think of cbid.

If you've got 5$ he does. :)

But do you shower with Al?

Vic wants pics.

This is true.

And MACS is ugly... :)