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TMCTLT Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Apr 25 2015, 12:12 PM EST
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This IS what happens when you sell your soul for $$$$. Governors and local officials all over this country have sold out to the temptation of EASY tax payer dollars, the price being paid is the Feds now have control over the entire education process.

http://patriotnewsdaily.com/feds-threaten-schools-over-common-core-opt-outs/
MACS Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Apr 25 2015, 9:45 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
This IS what happens when you sell your soul for $$$$. Governors and local officials all over this country have sold out to the temptation of EASY tax payer dollars, the price being paid is the Feds now have control over the entire education process.

http://patriotnewsdaily.com/feds-threaten-schools-over-common-core-opt-outs/


Dude... in the military, we were encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow if we had a surplus prior to the end of the fiscal year... so our budget wouldn't get cut.

We need to learn how to reward fiscal responsibility instead of punishing it.
TMCTLT Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 7:29 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Dude... in the military, we were encouraged to spend like there was no tomorrow if we had a surplus prior to the end of the fiscal year... so our budget wouldn't get cut.

We need to learn how to reward fiscal responsibility instead of punishing it.



Agreed, any good ideas on how to reward without f*cking the tax payer EVERY time?? Dude

And we're talking about two completely different issues, the military is ran by the Feds, Our schools have been highjacked by the Feds. IMHO our schools should be under the control of the respective states in which they reside.
Every time we allow the Feds to get their nose in something they screw it up like a train wreck!!!!
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:25 AM EST
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I know I will be sorry for asking, but how is this communism?
Abrignac Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:28 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Agreed, any good ideas on how to reward without f*cking the tax payer EVERY time?? Dude

And we're talking about two completely different issues, the military is ran by the Feds, Our schools have been highjacked by the Feds. IMHO our schools should be under the control of the respective states in which they reside.
Every time we allow the Feds to get their nose in something they screw it up like a train wreck!!!!


Paul, you're half right. The feds are trying to run things, but they in turn are run by big business. It's companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Google, JP Morgan Chase, Nielsen, Price Waterhouse, Northrop Grumann, GE, Halliburton, Cargill, Monsanto, etc...

When Common Core becomes the standard, which it eventually will, someone is going to get a huge consulting contract to revamp every textbook used in America.
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:31 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I know I will be sorry for asking, but how is this communism?


I'm guessing because the OP feels it has something to do with idea of government attempting to exert some type over control social, political and economic ideology.

No scientific process on my part, just a guess.
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:38 AM EST
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I'm confused, I thought Monsanto was fascist......
Brewha Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:44 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
I'm guessing because the OP feels it has something to do with idea of government attempting to exert some type over control social, political and economic ideology.

No scientific process on my part, just a guess.

I think you are spot on here.

The OP uses communism as metaphor; meaning "bad" or "I don't like it".

And to stay on the spirit of the OP I will offer that the title itself is communistic......
wheelrite Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 12:56 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I know I will be sorry for asking, but how is this communism?


The OP is stoned,,,

wheel,,
frankj1 Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 2:21 PM EST
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I'm up to speed on all the pot smoking threads. So the OP is gonna try, fry, die, lie, cry, stay dry, lose an eye...
MACS Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 7:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm up to speed on all the pot smoking threads. So the OP is gonna try, fry, die, lie, cry, stay dry, lose an eye...


...while eating pumpkin pie.
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 9:29 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
...while eating pumpkin pie.

I knew I missed one. Thanks bro.
teedubbya Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 10:33 PM EST
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Speaking of slow creeps.
TMCTLT Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Apr 26 2015, 11:01 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
The OP is stoned,,,

wheel,,



And he's still more coherent than YOU....is that throw up on your shirt again???
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#15 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 12:29 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think you are spot on here.

The OP uses communism as metaphor; meaning "bad" or "I don't like it".

And to stay on the spirit of the OP I will offer that the title itself is communistic......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3c64j2DPE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m27s
TMCTLT Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 7:04 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I know I will be sorry for asking, but how is this communism?



Well in MY opinion when the Federal government sets out to try to influence EVERY aspect of our lives ( which this one most certainly does ) your no longer living in a free governing society but under a Kings rule.

And I know I'll probably regret this, but why don't you take the time to clarify why our governing bodies or ANYONE for that matter ) feel the need to indoctrinate our children with such vile BS @ such a tender age.




Abrignac wrote:
Paul, you're half right. The feds are trying to run things, but they in turn are run by big business. It's companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Google, JP Morgan Chase, Nielsen, Price Waterhouse, Northrop Grumann, GE, Halliburton, Cargill, Monsanto, etc...

When Common Core becomes the standard, which it eventually will, someone is going to get a huge consulting contract to revamp every textbook used in America.



Anthony, I understand what your saying but NO ONE is forcing our elected officials to be " Bought " this is behavior that they WILLINGLY engage in to the detriment of ALL. Common Core Standards = Dumb It Down Standards
frankj1 Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 7:42 AM EST
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Kings are commies!
HockeyDad Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 12:46 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Paul, you're half right. The feds are trying to run things, but they in turn are run by big business. It's companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Google, JP Morgan Chase, Nielsen, Price Waterhouse, Northrop Grumann, GE, Halliburton, Cargill, Monsanto, etc...

When Common Core becomes the standard, which it eventually will, someone is going to get a huge consulting contract to revamp every textbook used in America.



That sounds like a pretty good list for investing a 401K
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 6:36 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3c64j2DPE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m27s

Moving, truly moving.....
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#20 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 7:09 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That sounds like a pretty good list for investing a 401K


it actually does...

JP Morgan handles some of our investments. All of their products we own are doing very well,,,
our account went up $3k just in the last 5 trading days,,...

nurse terrie,,
Brewha Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 7:09 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Well in MY opinion when the Federal government sets out to try to influence EVERY aspect of our lives ( which this one most certainly does ) your no longer living in a free governing society but under a Kings rule.

And I know I'll probably regret this, but why don't you take the time to clarify why our governing bodies or ANYONE for that matter ) feel the need to indoctrinate our children with such vile BS @ such a tender age


Not a king, or kings. If so, we would all know their names. Allow me to introduce you to a term; oligarchy. It is rule of the government by a selected few. I suspect that for most of our history that has been our letter of rule. Cite Wilson putting the Federal Reserve in the place if you like. Not communisum. Not socialism. Just the Koch brothers and their ilk behind the curtain.

As far as the children go, filling their heads with vile bs is what is done. We scare them with fairy tales of afterlife retribution, tell them it is their duty to die for the ideals we give them, and discourage the independent and questioning minds. And people do it because it is the ideology they were given. Thinking kids don't make good worker bees. Ever here the term sedition? Good boys and girls do and believe what they are told.

Make no mistake, I only object to you citing communism because while it is warrently inaccurate, it misspeaks your point. By pointing the wrong direction.
teedubbya Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 8:49 PM EST
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Fran and oligarchy was my favorite show before all the king commie crap started.
frankj1 Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Apr 27 2015, 9:09 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Fran and oligarchy was my favorite show before all the king commie crap started.

no love for Kukla?
Buckwheat Offline
#24 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 11:18 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'm up to speed on all the pot smoking threads. So the OP is gonna try, fry, die, lie, cry, stay dry, lose an eye...


Speed kills. fog
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 1:22 PM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Speed kills. fog

Jesus saves. Moses invests...
tailgater Offline
#26 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 2:37 PM EST
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Jesus saves
And Esposito scored on the rebound!
banderl Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 2:56 PM EST
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Hawks should have never traded him.
frankj1 Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 4:42 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Jesus saves
And Esposito scored on the rebound!

Nice!
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Apr 28 2015, 4:44 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Hawks should have never traded him.

Espo, Freddie Stanfield, and Ken Hodge...franchise saver for the Bruins


but we digress.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#30 Posted: Fri, May 1 2015, 11:42 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Paul, you're half right. The feds are trying to run things, but they in turn are run by big business. It's companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Google, JP Morgan Chase, Nielsen, Price Waterhouse, Northrop Grumann, GE, Halliburton, Cargill, Monsanto, etc...

When Common Core becomes the standard, which it eventually will, someone is going to get a huge consulting contract to revamp every textbook used in America.


You are half right also as most kids in public schools do not use textbooks anymore. My youngest is a sophomore in HS and has ONE textbook, which has not been utilized once all semester.

Common core is actively being fought in an increasing number of states and with growing success. Common core has been revealed and is now understood as social indoctrination to liberalism through the united efforts of socialists who hate America.

The feds have no business trying to run the schools, any more than they have any business running state or city police forces. Except for the business of control.
TMCTLT Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, May 3 2015, 5:47 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Not a king, or kings. If so, we would all know their names. Allow me to introduce you to a term; oligarchy. It is rule of the government by a selected few. I suspect that for most of our history that has been our letter of rule. Cite Wilson putting the Federal Reserve in the place if you like. Not communisum. Not socialism. Just the Koch brothers and their ilk behind the curtain.

As far as the children go, filling their heads with vile bs is what is done. We scare them with fairy tales of afterlife retribution, tell them it is their duty to die for the ideals we give them, and discourage the independent and questioning minds. And people do it because it is the ideology they were given. Thinking kids don't make good worker bees. Ever here the term sedition? Good boys and girls do and believe what they are told.

Make no mistake, I only object to you citing communism because while it is warrently inaccurate, it misspeaks your point. By pointing the wrong direction.



Like to place a bet there's never been a King.....er President before Barry who the American people KNOW his name????? Unfortunately MOST don't remember it for positive reasons. Inaccurate to you NOT for many who see his approach to governing our nation as just that. And if you think the Koch brothers are more evil than Buffet and his ilk I'd have to disagree.

Yes I've heard of sedition, but I'm also not blind to this administration's PUSH for Common Core and it's desired effects. Teach them ONLY what they want them to know and STOP teaching world history etc. in place of HIS / THEIR worldview on how things " Should BE!!!!! MR Social Re-Organizer......remember in his own words " he was gonna bring our nation together and be THE GUY to unite the races" mmmmm Not So Much. fog
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#32 Posted: Sun, May 10 2015, 11:34 AM EST
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NurseTerrie wrote:
it actually does...

JP Morgan handles some of our investments. All of their products we own are doing very well,,,
our account went up $3k just in the last 5 trading days,,...

nurse terrie,,



Nurse T needs a spanking!

whip
frankj1 Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, May 10 2015, 1:52 PM EST
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Stinkdyr wrote:
Nurse T needs a spanking!

whip

wherever you went, it seems to have recharged your batteries!
Nice to see ya around, senor skunk.






waiting for "end welfare breeding"!
QMPASH Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 6:35 AM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
This IS what happens when you sell your soul for $$$$. Governors and local officials all over this country have sold out to the temptation of EASY tax payer dollars, the price being paid is the Feds now have control over the entire education process.

http://patriotnewsdaily.com/feds-threaten-schools-over-common-core-opt-outs/

The truth is that the federal government does not control the education process even though it would like to. The truth is that the schools in this country are blowing it big time. High school kids in Europe and Asia are far more educated than our youngsters. In their equivalents of high school, their kids already know calculus, zoology and college-level physics. They do better on tests in science and math. By every conceivable measure of achievement they are far more advanced in every subject but one--Date Rape.
HockeyDad Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 7:20 AM EST
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QMPASH wrote:
The truth is that the federal government does not control the education process even though it would like to. The truth is that the schools in this country are blowing it big time. High school kids in Europe and Asia are far more educated than our youngsters. In their equivalents of high school, their kids already know calculus, zoology and college-level physics. They do better on tests in science and math. By every conceivable measure of achievement they are far more advanced in every subject but one--Date Rape.



Those Europeans are also not very well caught up with the Kardashians. So we got that.
tonygraz Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 7:41 AM EST
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Without the Federal education influence I can just imagine what kind of religious crap would be pushed in some state schools. Communism is not a problem, religion is the problem. Can teachers mention climate change in Florida ?
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#37 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 7:51 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Can teachers mention climate change in Florida ?



No, it is a felony. Having sex with their students can usually get plea bargained to a misdemeanor.

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#38 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 8:00 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
No, it is a felony. Having sex with their students can usually get plea bargained to a misdemeanor.


or a date with Tom Brady
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#39 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 8:29 AM EST
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I blame the Russians... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#40 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 8:34 AM EST
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I'm just scared of that slow creepy communist dude.
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#41 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 8:44 AM EST
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Are there slow communist dudes that are not creepy?
teedubbya Offline
#42 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 11:00 AM EST
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Yea. Some are just amusing and harmless. Take wheel for example. No seriously take him.
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#43 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 11:39 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Without the Federal education influence I can just imagine what kind of religious crap would be pushed in some state schools. Communism is not a problem, religion is the problem. Can teachers mention climate change in Florida ?


This is true.


But to some extent, TMCBFKLRKRS's rant is also true... (not the communist part, but the complaint about common core).

Common core isn't turning our kids into communists. However, everyone knows those problems that get circulated around the interwebs... math problems that require you solve it in a manner that makes no sense whatsoever to someone who understands basic division. These solutions are fine. they get the right answer in a manner that requires the most work... I suspect they are designed to appeal to children who don't understand the traditional approach to mathematics. We all remember that one kid... everyone else is able to do basic division, multiplication, multivariable calculus... but that one kid doesn't get it. Until he looks at the problem a completely different way and then he can muddle through it. He probably took the ACTs as well instead of the SATs. The problem is, we shouldn't be treating the entire classroom as that kid. First priority is ALWAYS to teach kids in a manner that the highest percentage of them will absorb the information and understand it. You deal with the lagging 5% afterwards. Common core appears to teach the 95% as if they were part of the 5% (based off the small selection of problems I have seen).
tonygraz Offline
#44 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 1:23 PM EST
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Better math certainly seems to be a goal. I think the wheels started going off the track when they came up with set theory. No one left behind just let everyone get behind.
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#45 Posted: Tue, May 12 2015, 1:28 PM EST
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Kids don't do math anymore... their calculator does... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, May 13 2015, 6:07 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Kids don't do math anymore... their calculator does... Mellow

It's a damn shame that kid today are allowed to use calculators to "learn" math. Any damn fool there is known you need a spread sheet.
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#47 Posted: Wed, May 13 2015, 6:43 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Better math certainly seems to be a goal. I think the wheels started going off the track when they came up with set theory. No one left behind just let everyone get behind.

no child left behind was an unfunded mandate!
DrafterX Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, May 14 2015, 8:24 AM EST
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I thought that was what the lottery was for..... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, May 14 2015, 9:03 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Without the Federal education influence I can just imagine what kind of religious crap would be pushed in some state schools. Communism is not a problem, religion is the problem. Can teachers mention climate change in Florida ?




Yeah that damned religion thingy.....it sure does bother the hell out of athiests like yourself. You are no doubt correct, it IS far more important that we teach our youngsters All about the virtues of " Gender IDing " themselves correctly @ age seven or eight. And it IS also interesting how you progs have gone from using
" GLOBAL WARMING "..........to "climate change" it's ALL in the wording now isn't it.......
TMCTLT Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, May 14 2015, 9:08 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This is true.


But to some extent, TMCBFKLRKRS's rant is also true... (not the communist part, but the complaint about common core).

Common core isn't turning our kids into communists. However, everyone knows those problems that get circulated around the interwebs... math problems that require you solve it in a manner that makes no sense whatsoever to someone who understands basic division. These solutions are fine. they get the right answer in a manner that requires the most work... I suspect they are designed to appeal to children who don't understand the traditional approach to mathematics. We all remember that one kid... everyone else is able to do basic division, multiplication, multivariable calculus... but that one kid doesn't get it. Until he looks at the problem a completely different way and then he can muddle through it. He probably took the ACTs as well instead of the SATs. The problem is, we shouldn't be treating the entire classroom as that kid. First priority is ALWAYS to teach kids in a manner that the highest percentage of them will absorb the information and understand it. You deal with the lagging 5% afterwards. Common core appears to teach the 95% as if they were part of the 5% (based off the small selection of problems I have seen).




My communist comment was NOT about our children " turning into one " it WAS about our federal Gov. behaving like one as they TAKE OVER our education system in the US. With that said I think we actually agreed on something here.....fog
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