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banderl Offline
#1 Posted: Fri, May 29 2015, 3:25 PM EST
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Hastert made payments to conceal sexual misconduct from high school coaching years, officials say.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hastert-misconduct-20150529-story.html

The public trough must have been very good to ole Denny. He agreed to pay 3.5 million in hush money.
tonygraz Offline
#2 Posted: Fri, May 29 2015, 4:19 PM EST
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Love those family values hypocrites.
banderl Offline
#3 Posted: Fri, May 29 2015, 5:52 PM EST
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It appears that he liked to diddle boys back in his days a a high school teacher. May have something to do with the way Hastert dragged his feet with the Foley incident.
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#4 Posted: Fri, May 29 2015, 10:08 PM EST
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No Outrage Outrage!
Fair and balanced?
Burner02 Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 5:11 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Love those family values hypocrites.




You have a list or just painting with a broad brush?
tonygraz Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 9:24 AM EST
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Broad brush covers a lot of area.
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#7 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 10:35 AM EST
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He should get his money back for breach of contract ...
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 6:23 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
You have a list or just painting with a broad brush?

to me, the point is neither side is the party of God and Morality. Time for everyone to grow up and stop pretending the party that they agree with owns purity. Clearly on c-bid, the vast majority leans right. You have different views on how things should be done, but your membership does not have a cleaner record than those you disparage.

There are creeps on both sides of the aisle. Their voting records may appease supporters and stir them to rise up in defense, but that doesn't make them more acceptable creeps.

Once one stops feeling superior, a meaningful dialog can ensue.
banderl Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 7:04 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
to me, the point is neither side is the party of God and Morality. Time for everyone to grow up and stop pretending the party that they agree with owns purity. Clearly on c-bid, the vast majority leans right. You have different views on how things should be done, but your membership does not have a cleaner record than those you disparage.

There are creeps on both sides of the aisle. Their voting records may appease supporters and stir them to rise up in defense, but that doesn't make them more acceptable creeps.

Once one stops feeling superior, a meaningful dialog can ensue.



Denny the diddler would agree.
Burner02 Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 7:47 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
to me, the point is neither side is the party of God and Morality. Time for everyone to grow up and stop pretending the party that they agree with owns purity. Clearly on c-bid, the vast majority leans right. You have different views on how things should be done, but your membership does not have a cleaner record than those you disparage.

There are creeps on both sides of the aisle. Their voting records may appease supporters and stir them to rise up in defense, but that doesn't make them more acceptable creeps.

Once one stops feeling superior, a meaningful dialog can ensue.



From where I stand if a person breaks the law I hope that individual is convicted and punished accordingly. Regardless of one's race, gender, religious or political affiliation.


ram27bat
frankj1 Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 8:12 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
From where I stand if a person breaks the law I hope that individual is convicted and punished accordingly. Regardless of one's race, gender, religious or political affiliation.


ram27bat

I have found that you and I agree a lot despite different voting patterns. I'll bet you have also noticed.

Just pointing out that the side you favor has as much to be ashamed of as the other in its' membership. Once each drops the moral superiority, both might actually listen...currently, gridlock.
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, May 30 2015, 8:22 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Love those family values hypocrites.


You're one of those blinded democrats that think only the republicans are hypocrites, aren't you?

You're part of the problem, guy... dems are JUST as guilty as reps, and IMO more so. They use taxpayer money to purchase votes.
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#13 Posted: Sun, May 31 2015, 12:07 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I have found that you and I agree a lot despite different voting patterns. I'll bet you have also noticed.

Just pointing out that the side you favor has as much to be ashamed of as the other in its' membership. Once each drops the moral superiority, both might actually listen...currently, gridlock.




Probably more common ground than you know. To be honest I don't trust any politician.
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 9:40 AM EST
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Republican Culture of Corruption
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#15 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 11:29 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Republican Culture of Corruption


Republican = Democrat = Corruption & Hypocrisy fog
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#16 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 12:18 PM EST
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We need Hope & Change... Mellow
Buckwheat Offline
#17 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 12:23 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
We need Hope & Change... Mellow


There is no hope for any change. Nobody in Washington wants true change as that would mean that their jobs and pay would change. fog
victor809 Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 1:10 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
You're one of those blinded democrats that think only the republicans are hypocrites, aren't you?

You're part of the problem, guy... dems are JUST as guilty as reps, and IMO more so. They use taxpayer money to purchase votes.


To be fair MACS, in the sexual misconduct and "sanctity of marriage" realm, the republicans are the only ones who can be hypocrites. Democrats aren't saying marriage is some sacred religion-based bond... so if they get caught cheating on their spouse or porking the students they're coaching, it isn't hypocrisy... just regular old misbehavior.
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#19 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 1:34 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To be fair MACS, in the sexual misconduct and "sanctity of marriage" realm, the republicans are the only ones who can be hypocrites. Democrats aren't saying marriage is some sacred religion-based bond... so if they get caught cheating on their spouse or porking the students they're coaching, it isn't hypocrisy... just regular old misbehavior.

Just ask the Clintons… right?
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#20 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 1:39 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Just ask the Clintons… right?


Doesn't fit the definition of hypocrisy. Just misbehavior.

tonygraz Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 2:43 PM EST
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We need term limits.
TMCTLT Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 2:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To be fair MACS, in the sexual misconduct and "sanctity of marriage" realm, the republicans are the only ones who can be hypocrites. Democrats aren't saying marriage is some sacred religion-based bond... so if they get caught cheating on their spouse or porking the students they're coaching, it isn't hypocrisy... just regular old misbehavior.




REALLLLY, I had NO idea that a person simply subscribing to one party or the other in a two party political system that one could ALSO tell rather they'll cheat on their spouse and how they viewed THAT behavior....it's an interesting world you live in. Think
jetblasted Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 3:14 PM EST
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I wonder if Jackie-O would have agreed with Victor?

It's kinda hard to accept that "only" Republicans, all 200 million of them, or "only" Democrats, all 200 million of them, would do _______.

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#24 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 3:37 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
REALLLLY, I had NO idea that a person simply subscribing to one party or the other in a two party political system that one could ALSO tell rather they'll cheat on their spouse and how they viewed THAT behavior....it's an interesting world you live in. Think


I really wonder sometimes if you understand all the words I type. Perhaps it's the sentence structure that causes you to completely miss the point... every...single...time...?

Both parties have plenty of people cheating on their spouses with people of the opposite sex, or same sex, or children, or animals.

Only one party consistently runs on the platform of sanctity of marriage and restricting marriage rights for some people because it might do harm to the "family unit".

That's where the hypocrisy comes in.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 3:38 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:
I wonder if Jackie-O would have agreed with Victor?

It's kinda hard to accept that "only" Republicans, all 200 million of them, or "only" Democrats, all 200 million of them, would do _______.



Democrats cheat on their spouses just as much, I'm sure. That's not relevant to the discussion though.
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#26 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 3:44 PM EST
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victor809[h wrote:
]I really wonder sometimes if you understand all the words I type.[/h] Perhaps it's the sentence structure that causes you to completely miss the point... every...single...time...?

Both parties have plenty of people cheating on their spouses with people of the opposite sex, or same sex, or children, or animals.

Only one party consistently runs on the platform of sanctity of marriage and restricting marriage rights for some people because it might do harm to the "family unit".

That's where the hypocrisy comes in.




It's okay....I sometimes wonder if YOU understand ALL the words you type
cacman Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 6:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Doesn't fit the definition of hypocrisy. Just misbehavior.


The Clintons ARE the definition of hypocrisy in politics & guberment.
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#28 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 6:34 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
The Clintons ARE the definition of hypocrisy in politics & guberment.



.... again, this thread is about sexual misconduct. Find a single reference in which the clintons showed hypocrisy in relation to sexual misconduct.

In case there is any confusion:
hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrÉ™sÄ“/
noun
noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
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#29 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 6:35 PM EST
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Both sides err in making broad sweeping conclusions from little or no data. I prefer not to judge policy from random actions or factoids.

Is there a statistical correlation? If so let's hear it. If not, everyone is just blowing smoke......hey not a bad idea.....i think I'll have a cigar.
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#30 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 7:06 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
.... again, this thread is about sexual misconduct. Find a single reference in which the clintons showed hypocrisy in relation to sexual misconduct.

Oh that's right… he did not have sexual relations with that woman. It didn't cost him his job, and he didn't leave the WH broke. And Hilldog sat quietly by waiting for her man to come home.
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#31 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 7:15 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Oh that's right… he did not have sexual relations with that woman. It didn't cost him his job, and he didn't leave the WH broke. And Hilldog sat quietly by waiting for her man to come home.


Did you read the definition of hypocrisy at all?

How is it in any way hypocritical of Bill to boink his intern? Do you know what hypocritical means?
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#32 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 8:42 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Oh that's right… he did not have sexual relations with that woman. It didn't cost him his job, and he didn't leave the WH broke. And Hilldog sat quietly by waiting for her man to come home.

Wammy Tynette ?? Gonz
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Mon, Jun 1 2015, 9:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did you read the definition of hypocrisy at all?

How is it in any way hypocritical of Bill to boink his intern? Do you know what hypocritical means?


The democrats ARE hypocrites... they like to point out the republicans do it and then they do it themselves.
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#34 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 12:25 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Politicians ARE hypocrites...generally speaking, most like to point out the how the others do it while they do it themselves.


Fixed that for you.
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#35 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 12:53 AM EST
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Uh Clinton raped a woman Victor.
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#36 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 2:07 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
The democrats ARE hypocrites... they like to point out the republicans do it and then they do it themselves.


Ok... so I see the direction you're going with this.

Republican A runs on a "Save the marriages" platform saying gays will destroy traditional marriage.
Republican A then gets caught cheating on his wife, ruining said traditional marriage.

This is hypocrisy.

Democrat A sees republican A act hypocritically and point it out in the press.
Democrat A then gets caught cheating on his wife, ruiningg his traditional marriage.

This is.... maybe hypocrisy. It's like hypocrisy's second cousin maybe, depending on what Democrat actually says regarding Republican A's faulting. I suppose if the Dem was saying things like "I can't believe he would do that to his wife"... or something like that, then it's hypocrisy.

But how many democrat politicians are actually calling for someone's impeachment, or publically castigating other politicians over infidelity? I mean, the press does it, the democrat party mouthpieces do... but the politicians themselves? Maybe I don't notice it, but it seems infrequent. Much less easily memorable than the great ****-impeachment of 2000... (or whenever that was)
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#37 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 2:09 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Uh Clinton raped a woman Victor.


And prior to that did he ever speak out about how dangerous some rapist was?

Why is it so hard for people to understand? Misbehavior, hell, even illegal behavior is NOT automatically hypocrisy. Does the english language mean so little to you?
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#38 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 1:04 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Did you read the definition of hypocrisy at all?

How is it in any way hypocritical of Bill to boink his intern? Do you know what hypocritical means?

Are you that freakin stupid??? Or just trying to stir the pot… again

Your definition of hypocrisy from above: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

IMHO - Your definition describes the Clintons to a fuq'n 'T'!

Misbehavior - although legal - can still be hypocritical. Oh that's right… the Clintons didn't inhale either.
horse

BTW - they are headed to court in Jan16 on racketeering charges.
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#39 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 1:29 PM EST
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If I don't think it's misbehavior or its against my moral standards and I do it is it hypocrisy.

Hillary was convicted for raping someone?
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#40 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 1:31 PM EST
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I know she killed Vince foster but didn't realize either Clinton was convicted for rape.
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#41 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 1:34 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
Are you that freakin stupid??? Or just trying to stir the pot… again

Your definition of hypocrisy from above: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

IMHO - Your definition describes the Clintons to a fuq'n 'T'!

Misbehavior - although legal - can still be hypocritical. Oh that's right… the Clintons didn't inhale either.
horse

BTW - they are headed to court in Jan16 on racketeering charges.



I'd be curious where the clintons have claimed the high moral ground. In particular, I'd be curious where the clintons have made any sort of moral stand on sanctity of marriage or adultery. Or do you just assume they think they're better than you?
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#42 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 3:04 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Fixed that for you.


Thanks... you got my point.
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#43 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 3:18 PM EST
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Do the Clinton's x-rated Christmas tree ornaments count?
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#44 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 3:20 PM EST
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All Dems think they're better than other people.

























Disparaging comments about Southerners in 3 - 2 - 1 .....
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#45 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 3:32 PM EST
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jetblasted wrote:


Disparaging comments about Southerners in 3 - 2 - 1 .....


Insert disparaging comments about southerners inserting into their sisters in 3 -2 - 1.....
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#46 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 4:15 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I'd be curious where the clintons have claimed the high moral ground. In particular, I'd be curious where the clintons have made any sort of moral stand on sanctity of marriage or adultery. Or do you just assume they think they're better than you?


It is my understanding that the Clintons were married by a Methodist minister. Though I was not invited to the ceremony, I suspect that a traditional set of marriage vows was used. The Methodist marriage vows frequently include the phrase "forsaking all others", which implies not cheating on your wife with an intern in the oval office. Even if the traditional vows were not used, I suspect that something along the lines of not cheating on your spouse was included in the vows.

Bill Clinton stood before family, friends, soon to be wife, minister, and God and declared to all that he would be faithful to his wife, and then years later "did not have sex" with an intern in the oval office. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

As for Hillary, back in 2004 she took to the floor of the senate and declared "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults." (here is a link to the youtube video if you don't believe it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I)

Of course, Hillary changing position isn't hypocrisy, but simply changing her mind to secure the necessary votes veeded to get elected.

This is a fairly good overview of her evolving position, http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/

Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.
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#47 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 4:22 PM EST
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KBimler wrote:
It is my understanding that the Clintons were married by a Methodist minister. Though I was not invited to the ceremony, I suspect that a traditional set of marriage vows was used. The Methodist marriage vows frequently include the phrase "forsaking all others", which implies not cheating on your wife with an intern in the oval office. Even if the traditional vows were not used, I suspect that something along the lines of not cheating on your spouse was included in the vows.

Bill Clinton stood before family, friends, soon to be wife, minister, and God and declared to all that he would be faithful to his wife, and then years later "did not have sex" with an intern in the oval office. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

As for Hillary, back in 2004 she took to the floor of the senate and declared "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults." (here is a link to the youtube video if you don't believe it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I)

Of course, Hillary changing position isn't hypocrisy, but simply changing her mind to secure the necessary votes veeded to get elected.

This is a fairly good overview of her evolving position, http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/

Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.


There we go. That's actually how you deliver a point. :)

I'd give Bill a pass, as declaring you'll be faithful, then cheating isn't hypocrisy... it's lying.

Telling others it is morally wrong to cheat, then cheating is definitely hypocrisy. I think Hillary is to at least some extent in that quote linking herself to marriage... but then again she didn't do the cheating. (or did she?... bum bum bummmm)

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#48 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 4:43 PM EST
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KBimler wrote:


Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.


I agree with this completely.

My argument above (waaayyy above) was simply pointing out that tony's "family values hypocrites" is much more apt for republicans than dems, as dems aren't running on a "family values" platform. They're hypocritical in all other ways politicians are hypocritical, but the party platform generally does not prescribe who you sleep with, when you are allowed to sleep with them and whether your sex-life is destroying the fabric of america.
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#49 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 4:54 PM EST
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Enough about the Clintons, this thread is about Denny the Diddler!
TIA
KBimler, was DD your congressman?
KBimler Offline
#50 Posted: Tue, Jun 2 2015, 5:08 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Enough about the Clintons, this thread is about Denny the Diddler!
TIA
KBimler, was DD your congressman?


Yes, but since then that district has been redrawn so I am no longer part of the 14th district. The Democrats really did a number on the district borders in an attempt to keep as much control as possible over the state a few years ago (and that is an entirely different political debate).

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