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U.S. to fast track $29 million to help Charleston shooting victims' families
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Burner02 Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 10:19 AM EST
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - "The Justice Department will fast track the sending of $29 million to South Carolina to help families of victims of the mass murder of nine churchgoers at a historic black church in Charleston, a Justice Department spokesman said on Friday.

An unspecified portion of the money, allocated under the government's national Crime Victim Assistance Formula Grant program, can be used to provide services to the families of victims of the shootings at Emmanuel AME Church, spokesman Kevin Lewis said."

(Reporting by Lindsay Dunsmuir; Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-fast-track-29-million-help-charleston-shooting-195515259.html



Will be interesting to see how much each family gets and I don't remember the DOJ opening their deep pockets for the Ft Hood victims.
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#2 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 10:20 AM EST
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Think
wheelrite Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 10:48 AM EST
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small potatoes....

yawn..


wheel,
Brewha Online
#4 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 10:54 AM EST
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Pancakes!
Burner02 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 11:03 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Pancakes!



Wheel wants to see your clam.
rfenst Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 11:25 AM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Wheel wants to see your clam.


It's probably skanky.
wheelrite Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 11:41 AM EST
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a commie clam ?

hmm?


wheel,
cacman Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 12:05 PM EST
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How many millions is this racist administration giving to Kathryn Steinle's family???
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 12:27 PM EST
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If it cost a quarter to go around the world, we couldn't afford to get out of town. Why are we giving money to shooting victim's families?

What precedent is this setting? It's a tragedy, sure, but they happen. Are we the taxpayers supposed to foot the bill for every damn thing? And what about the family victims of the nutbucket who shot up a Colorado theater? Or the victims of any other number of tragedies?

This is just pandering. Period.
Brewha Online
#10 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 12:30 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
It's probably skanky.

Great. Now you have Wheel aroused.
wheelrite Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 3:02 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Great. Now you have Wheel aroused.


as a matter fact , I am...


whip

wheel,
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 3:40 PM EST
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^^The miracles of modern chemistry...
99cobra2881 Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 4:33 PM EST
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What's next.... Chicago going to be the next superfund site?
TMCTLT Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 5:28 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
If it cost a quarter to go around the world, we couldn't afford to get out of town. Why are we giving money to shooting victim's families?

What precedent is this setting? It's a tragedy, sure, but they happen. Are we the taxpayers supposed to foot the bill for every damn thing? And what about the family victims of the nutbucket who shot up a Colorado theater? Or the victims of any other number of tragedies?

This is just pandering. Period.



Well said Macs and I couldn't agree more
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tonygraz Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 8:46 PM EST
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Would you be upset if it was being given to white families, or would it even be talked about ?
Burner02 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 8:48 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Would you be upset if it was being given to white families, or would it even be talked about ?




MACS wrote:
If it cost a quarter to go around the world, we couldn't afford to get out of town. Why are we giving money to shooting victim's families?

What precedent is this setting? It's a tragedy, sure, but they happen. Are we the taxpayers supposed to foot the bill for every damn thing? And what about the family victims of the nutbucket who shot up a Colorado theater? Or the victims of any other number of tragedies?

This is just pandering. Period.
MACS Offline
#18 Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2015, 9:45 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Would you be upset if it was being given to white families, or would it even be talked about ?


Did you even read what I wrote? I'm upset because we're giving money away, period. I don't care who they're giving it to, the government should not be giving 29 MILLION DOLLARS to anyone for something that was nobody's fault but the shooter.

I feel terrible for the people affected by it. I'm not a heartless person. I could see offering scholarships to children affected by the loss of parents. Grief counseling for the congregation. But 29 MILLION DOLLARS? For WHAT? And once again... what precedent are we setting? Every time something bad happens we're going to hand out millions to make it all better?
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MACS ThumpUp

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dstieger Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 9:25 AM EST
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My initial reaction, also.

But a little googling let me to learn this:
'Since its inception, the Fund has been supported not by tax dollars but by fines, penalty assessments, and bond forfeitures collected from convicted federal offenders."

http://www.ovc.gov/publications/factshts/compandassist/fs_000306.html

Since it isn't my taxes, but $$ collected from criminals, I think I am OK with the program.
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#21 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 9:26 AM EST
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The article doesn't really say who gets the money and how it will be used. It might just get used by law enforcement to seize confederate flags.
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#22 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 9:30 AM EST
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Additionally, if they were just putting fines, criminal penalties, etc into the general fund for appropriated use, the govt would probably start abusing the levy authority for fining just as smaller/local governments have been known to.
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#23 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 9:49 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
My initial reaction, also.

But a little googling let me to learn this:
'Since its inception, the Fund has been supported not by tax dollars but by fines, penalty assessments, and bond forfeitures collected from convicted federal offenders."

http://www.ovc.gov/publications/factshts/compandassist/fs_000306.html

Since it isn't my taxes, but $$ collected from criminals, I think I am OK with the program.



Nice job dousing the flames of outrage.
dstieger Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 9:52 AM EST
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Sorry, Band....Every so often I forget that this is no place for facts
tailgater Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 12:01 PM EST
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Why does a racial execution rake in more money than a random rape and murder?
tonygraz Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 12:40 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
My initial reaction, also.

But a little googling let me to learn this:
'Since its inception, the Fund has been supported not by tax dollars but by fines, penalty assessments, and bond forfeitures collected from convicted federal offenders."

http://www.ovc.gov/publications/factshts/compandassist/fs_000306.html

Since it isn't my taxes, but $$ collected from criminals, I think I am OK with the program.


I'm sure it's something Fox forgot to mention.
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#27 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 1:10 PM EST
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You guys try all you want to make sense of sending 29M dollars into a city where nine lives were horrifically taken, but PLEASE explain WHY it takes $29M F*cking dollars to bury these good people???? Answer that one and while your @ it can you also cite where the DOJ using the VOC funds/ grants helped these folks.....


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/28/13527453-families-of-victims-of-theater-shooting-in-colorado-slam-relief-fund



tonygraz wrote:
I'm sure it's something Fox forgot to mention.



It never gets old for you does it?? d'oh!
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#28 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 1:55 PM EST
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Regardless of any monies awarded, innocent rights trampled on, flag removals and commemorative legislative pens, it probably still won't be enough. Some one will want a lot more.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/13/eric-garner-settlement/

And how much is Kathryn Steinle's family getting again?? Who or what are we putting the blame on for THAT incident???
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#29 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 2:31 PM EST
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Just to point out how stupid this post is... the original poster neglected a very important word. "To provide services"...
The DOJ just fast tracked some $$ to the North Carolina DOJ. It will go into a grant fund to support a number of different programs
If you look at the publicly available New Hampshire DOJ budgets: http://doj.nh.gov/grants-management/documents/grant-program-brief.pdf
You'll see that New Hampshire has been receiving a couple million a year for various programs.

So to answer MACS question, this isn't setting any precedent. The precedent existed already. No money is going to the families, these things are listed as "victim services". It's paying for counselors and that sort of bs.

I swear... this is the biggest group of "whine first, fact check later" people I've ever seen.
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#30 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 2:39 PM EST
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjABahUKEwjZ1fHT7NjGAhWQN4gKHZ6JDf8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohioattorneygeneral.gov%2FIndividuals-and-Families%2FVictims%2FVOCA-SVAA-Grants-for-Advocates%2FVOCA-SVAA-Grant%2FGuidelines-and-Eligibility&ei=chKkVdnUIZDvoASek7b4Dw&usg=AFQjCNElPB7zoRSGAsgvIz7TyjPBzPp48w&sig2=kjfjeAjPlGVi-T9p3KzdFA&bvm=bv.97653015,d.cGU

There's the grant eligibility requirements.
If you'd all note the beginning of the document states the program was started by the Reagan administration.
If you'd also note, the allowable use of funds is very specific that this is victim services. This is not giving any money to the victims of anything.

Additionally, if you'd note, these are grants given to service providers. While the money may have been fast tracked because of the shooting, those service providers who receive grant money are not specifically serving only the victims of the shooting. These are services put in place and funded to support any victims of violent crime.
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#31 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 2:44 PM EST
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Oh great, another flames of outrage douser.
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#32 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 2:58 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Oh great, another flames of outrage douser.


Don't worry. I can assure you that my posting of actual information relating to reality will do nothing to douse their flames of outrage. It'll make it more angsty. We'll all enjoy it.
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#33 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 3:38 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Just to point out how stupid this post is... the original poster neglected a very important word. "To provide services"




OP: "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - "The Justice Department will fast track the sending of $29 million to South Carolina to help families of victims of the mass murder of nine churchgoers at a historic black church in Charleston, a Justice Department spokesman said on Friday.

An unspecified portion of the money, allocated under the government's national Crime Victim Assistance Formula Grant program, can be used to provide services to the families of victims of the shootings at Emmanuel AME Church, spokesman Kevin Lewis said."

(Reporting by Lindsay Dunsmuir; Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-fast-track-29-million-help-charleston-shooting-195515259.html"



Reading something with your mouth shut may help.
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#34 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 3:42 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
OP: "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - "The Justice Department will fast track the sending of $29 million to South Carolina to help families of victims of the mass murder of nine churchgoers at a historic black church in Charleston, a Justice Department spokesman said on Friday.

An unspecified portion of the money, allocated under the government's national Crime Victim Assistance Formula Grant program, can be used to provide services to the families of victims of the shootings at Emmanuel AME Church, spokesman Kevin Lewis said."

(Reporting by Lindsay Dunsmuir; Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-fast-track-29-million-help-charleston-shooting-195515259.html"



Reading something with your mouth shut may help.


That's what I typed. Do you not understand? You quoted it was to provide services to families of victims.

But YOUR words were "Will be interesting to see how much each family gets"
... the answer is zero.

Do I have to make it any simpler?

You literally whine about the family getting money in the same post in which you point out that this is to provide SERVICES.
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#35 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 3:54 PM EST
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And to answer your "poor Fort Hood people!" question, Texas appears to get somewhere around 25MM for VOCA assistance, and another 30MM from other federal funds for victim assistance. I'm sure some of that was allocated when the fort hood shooting occurred. The websites you read just didn't post "OUTRAGE" articles about it.
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victor809 wrote:
Don't worry. I can assure you that my posting of actual information relating to reality will do nothing to douse their flames of outrage. It'll make it more angsty. We'll all enjoy it.



Yep
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#37 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 5:10 PM EST
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So each family gets how much?
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#38 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 5:12 PM EST
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I bet they at least get new Obama-phones... Mellow
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#39 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 5:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
So each family gets how much?



They get to split 29 million because they're black.
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Danger Will Robinson, Danger!
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#41 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 5:41 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
They get to split 29 million because they're black.


Yes. And it's tax-free because Obama is president.
banderl Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 5:47 PM EST
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Damn that Kenyan born Muslim commie dope smokin POS!
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#43 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 6:03 PM EST
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I'm still conjugating "angsty"
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#44 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 6:46 PM EST
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Must be an outstanding program if started under Reagan.
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#45 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 6:58 PM EST
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I stand by my initial statement. 29 million dollars.

Say that slowly... twenty nine million dollars. For grief counseling and funerals?

Still outrageous. Still wasteful. You guys act like we're not 18 trillion in debt. A debt, which btw, is a lot worse under Obama than it was under Bush (just to point that out).
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#46 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 7:02 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Say that slowly... twenty nine million dollars. For grief counseling and funerals?

Still outrageous. Still wasteful. You guys act like we're not 18 trillion in debt. A debt, which btw, is a lot worse under Obama than it was under Bush (just to point that out).

And Reagan IIRC.
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#47 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 7:12 PM EST
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Don't tell me you debt guys miss Bill Clinton!!!
MACS Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 7:17 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Don't tell me you debt guys miss Bill Clinton!!!


Can't take away the fact he got us in the black, however briefly.
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#49 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 7:30 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
I stand by my initial statement. 29 million dollars.

Say that slowly... twenty nine million dollars. For grief counseling and funerals?

Still outrageous. Still wasteful. You guys act like we're not 18 trillion in debt. A debt, which btw, is a lot worse under Obama than it was under Bush (just to point that out).


And you also are continuing to act under the belief that this is all for the families of 9 people.

Think about this for a couple moments. This is a grant to the entire state of South Carolina for victim services. While it may have been awarded more quickly (I'm not even sure that's 100% true) due to the shooting, they didn't decide they need to give this money to the state of South Carolina all of a sudden. This is probably (I'm guessing here, but at least I'm willing to admit it) a similar amount as awarded last year for similar services. Texas gets about 130MM every year for victim services from federal and state sources.

http://www.wach.com/news/story.aspx?id=1229826#.VaRWkl9VhBc

From a fox news affiliate no less.

Why would "Obama fastrack" the 29MM for charlston, when the grant itself is focused on a whole list of things not directly related to the shooting? (sexual abuse victims services, child violence, etc etc)
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#50 Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2015, 8:01 PM EST
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"This is a grant to the entire state of South Carolina for victim services."

That makes it a little more palatable. I never thought it was for just 9 families, though. I figured the whole congregation, I honestly did not know it was for the whole state of SC.

Defcon 5 averted.
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