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banderl Offline
#51 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 12:13 PM EST
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elRopo wrote:
They could probably make more money selling live ones ... just sayin



So instead of having to freeze them you could get them fresh, on the hoof.


edit: Damn TW!
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#52 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 12:33 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Alrighty then, if it's a choice, let's allow a Mother to exercise that choice one minute after birth or one day or a year or two, quoting Hillary, "What difference does it make?"

Most religions frown on murder, going to make that exempt too?

Usually you make pretty cogent arguments, not this time. Even an atheist could see the wrong in what PP is doing. You are trying to make it a religious argument and it's not going to fly. Did you even watch the videos or just knee jerk react, as most hard core abortion promoters?

Gene,

My point about the religious aspect of this is simple; it is agreed and understood that there is a point of maturity when the “person to be” is developed enough and viable and may have some conscience. So “aborting” a baby in the ninth month is criminal. But when people assert that removing a zygote or embryo is murder, they are not doing so on a point of law, science, or reason. It is their religious view that a soul has entered, or that it is thwarting the will of God, and so on.

Truly there is a gray area of opinion when we talk about a midterm pregnancy. Granted. But let’s be clear, calling all abortion murder is a religious view.

I would point out that some extremists see use of birth control as murder and a grave sin. And to them it may well be. But they should not foist it on others….
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#53 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:02 PM EST
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The problem is it is difficult to live in a country where the law of the land may conflict with your particular law of god. The "I follow a greater law or being" mentality suggests that the law of your god supercedes that of your country. Maybe it should, but what if the law of my god is different than yours?

The only way around this conflict is to move to where the law of the land is the law of your god. It's the same dilema around the world and particularly in the middle east. The only difference is they are barbarians we are civilized in our minds and by our definition/filter. They think we are flipen crazy just as much as we think they are.

It's funny to me how many in here think theirs is the only right way or idea and to question that makes you "insert knee jerk lable here"



As for the babies, they are much better al dente
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:05 PM EST
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Well, apparently God can make amendments.. or somebody in his name anyways... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:08 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Well, apparently God can make amendments.. or somebody in his name anyways... Mellow



Harold?

That lettuce dude sure does pray a lot
DrafterX Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:10 PM EST
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I blame Moses... see what happens when the unwanted are born... Mellow
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#57 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I blame Moses... see what happens when the unwanted are born... Mellow



Moses parents didn't want him? No wonder he lit that bush on fire then lied about it and stuff
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#58 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:17 PM EST
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He burned the singing bush..?? Huh


but ya, he was gator bait for a while there... Mellow
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#59 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:34 PM EST
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Trolly, the funds are not going to disappear they will go to community health centers and hospitals to provide the good that PP does do.

So if the other stuff is going to still be available then what are you mad about?

Looks they tried to get the ding bat wackos riled up and it worked.
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#60 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 1:46 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Trolly, the funds are not going to disappear they will go to community health centers and hospitals to provide the good that PP does do.

So if the other stuff is going to still be available then what are you mad about?

Looks they tried to get the ding bat wackos riled up and it worked.



poor drafter
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#61 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 2:17 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Gene,

My point about the religious aspect of this is simple; it is agreed and understood that there is a point of maturity when the “person to be” is developed enough and viable and may have some conscience. So “aborting” a baby in the ninth month is criminal. But when people assert that removing a zygote or embryo is murder, they are not doing so on a point of law, science, or reason. It is their religious view that a soul has entered, or that it is thwarting the will of God, and so on.

Truly there is a gray area of opinion when we talk about a midterm pregnancy. Granted. But let’s be clear, calling all abortion murder is a religious view.

I would point out that some extremists see use of birth control as murder and a grave sin. And to them it may well be. But they should not foist it on others….


Grey, yes, religion Vs atheist not that simple. It's not that easy to decide, the "Them and Us" in either group any more than it's one would believe Al Sharpton is the spokesman for all black people. It's just a way to differentiate, demonize, discriminate and disenfranchise, a classic and well practiced technique. It does however, clearly identify anti religious bias.

There is no logic to determining the validity of a point merely by the fact it is advocated by religious belief or not.
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#62 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 2:19 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Trolly, the funds are not going to disappear they will go to community health centers and hospitals to provide the good that PP does do.

So if the other stuff is going to still be available then what are you mad about?

Looks they tried to get the ding bat wackos riled up and it worked.


Too bad it doesn't get spent on birth control, but in that scenario, there is nothing left to sell cover "costs" so we won't see that either.
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#63 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 3:31 PM EST
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Does Planned Parenthood cut off balls..?? they could sell those... Mellow
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#64 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 3:35 PM EST
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Wasn't that where Hillary got hers?
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#65 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 3:38 PM EST
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Did you try snopes..?? Huh
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#66 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 4:00 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
This is a bit of a specious argument isn't it.

1 - if you want to extend abortions up to 18 years, I'm fine with that. Law doesn't recognize them as an adult yet, then as far as I'm concerned the parent is responsible for their life and/or death.

2 - Why do you care whether "most religions frown on murder"? A religion frowning or not frowning on something is not the basis for law in our country under any conditions. To say otherwise is a sign your opinion on any law is in question.

3 - " Even an atheist could see the wrong in what PP is doing." I'm an atheist and see nothing wrong in what pp is doing. To make an assumption as to what someone else would think is simply dumb.



LOL

Abortion has always been a political topic that I didn't really care about.

Now that I'm a little older, a little wiser...

I'd rather pay a little now than welfare for life.

Ironically if you think about this issue from a fiscal conservative point of view, you would be for abortions.

So I have to agree with others in this thread that say the reasoning for being against abortion is religious, and I believe that anyone who says it isn't, must be religious.

For the record, I'm a right leaning atheist.
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#67 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 4:16 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
LOL

Abortion has always been a political topic that I didn't really care about.

Now that I'm a little older, a little wiser...

I'd rather pay a little now than welfare for life.

Ironically if you think about this issue from a fiscal conservative point of view, you would be for abortions.

So I have to agree with others in this thread that say the reasoning for being against abortion is religious, and I believe that anyone who says it isn't, must be religious.

For the record, I'm a right leaning atheist.


Agreed.
In fact, one could take it a step further and point out that the entire concept that life itself has some precious value beyond the value put in to the individual is itself a religious concept.

A person's life has no intrinsic value, ie you are only what you bring to the table. An unborn fetus has brought nothing to the table, no money has been invested in its education, no time, food or resources have been spent on its life, growth, skills etc. Additionally, nothing is known about its potential value regarding intelligence, leadership or propensity to cause property damage or mayhem.

As such, it has no value. To apply value to it at that time is a religious concept.

Perhaps some day in the future when genetic screening can accurately determine the capabilities of a fetus (will it be tall? good looking? intelligent? a world leader? a leading scientist?) then a fetus MAY have value, but that will cut both ways as some will have less value. But until then....

(cue someone cutting in and saying "but victor! if life has no value, why do we have laws against murder!!")... this is pretty simple. Society values us not murdering each other, not because individually we have value, but because society cannot function if frank is killing dave for killing burt etc etc etc.
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#68 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 4:22 PM EST
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Did Bert kill Ernie..?? Huh
banderl Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 4:39 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Did Bert kill Ernie..?? Huh



That basturd!
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#70 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 4:50 PM EST
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We the taxpayers have to fund this criminal enterprise like Ethanol AND they get to make money on the double dip for selling what they abort?

Seriously?

Pull the plug on them and kill any and all government funding.

Let's "abort" Planned Parenthood.
bgz Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 5:41 PM EST
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90,000 one time abortion payments of up to $500 per year for 18 years

19,440,000 welfare payments of $1000 or more per month for a minimum of 18 years

I vote for more abortions...

Either that or cut welfare.
tonygraz Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 6:42 PM EST
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I find it interesting that some of those who say abortion is murder are willing to commit murder to those who do abortions.
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#73 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 7:34 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The problem is it is difficult to live in a country where the law of the land may conflict with your particular law of god. The "I follow a greater law or being" mentality suggests that the law of your god supercedes that of your country. Maybe it should, but what if the law of my god is different than yours?

The only way around this conflict is to move to where the law of the land is the law of your god. It's the same dilema around the world and particularly in the middle east. The only difference is they are barbarians we are civilized in our minds and by our definition/filter. They think we are flipen crazy just as much as we think they are.

It's funny to me how many in here think theirs is the only right way or idea and to question that makes you "insert knee jerk lable here"



As for the babies, they are much better al dente


No.

The way is not around, but through. We need laws apart from anyone's concept of God.
And than allow and support everyone believing and practicing as they choose.

An entire nation that has the same God laws is one of coercion.

After all, each of us comes to know God in their own way....
wheelrite Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 7:57 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
No.

The way is not around, but through. We need laws apart from anyone's concept of God.
And than allow and support everyone believing and practicing as they choose.

An entire nation that has the same God laws is one of coercion.

After all, each of us comes to know God in their own way....


Bullchit,,,

There was a new video released today that showed PP displaying disected 22 week term babies offering their Brains and Livers.
It looked like someone standing at the meat counter choosing a pork chop..

Religion has nothing to with it,,,

BUT, at least there is Outrage on CBS/NBC/CBS over Cecil the lion,,,

wheel,,
Brewha Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 8:08 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Grey, yes, religion Vs atheist not that simple. It's not that easy to decide, the "Them and Us" in either group any more than it's one would believe Al Sharpton is the spokesman for all black people. It's just a way to differentiate, demonize, discriminate and disenfranchise, a classic and well practiced technique. It does however, clearly identify anti religious bias.

There is no logic to determining the validity of a point merely by the fact it is advocated by religious belief or not.

A fair point.

However, the logic of many (me too) says that until there is an embryo there is no person to murder.

When Wheel asserts that removing a zygot is murder, that sir is a religious opinion. And no, I'm not pitting atheists against the faithful. There is just no other justification for his view - is there?
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#76 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 8:14 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Bullchit,,,

There was a new video released today that showed PP displaying disected 22 week term babies offering their Brains and Livers.
It looked like someone standing at the meat counter choosing a pork chop..

Religion has nothing to with it,,,

BUT, at least there is Outrage on CBS/NBC/CBS over Cecil the lion,,,

wheel,,

And so you found the outrage you were looking for. Life is good!

PP committing murder and grave robbing. Come on, you buy that?

Would you like to rage about stem cell research next?
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#77 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 8:14 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
A fair point.

However, the logic of many (me too) says that until there is an embryo there is no person to murder.

When Wheel asserts that removing a zygot is murder, that sir is a religious opinion. And no, I'm not pitting atheists against the faithful. There is just no other justification for his view - is there?


You Infer my religious perspective , that I never implied in the OP...

wrong is wrong...(Justification)

wheel,,
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#78 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 8:16 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And so you found the outrage you were looking for. Life is good!

PP committing murder and grave robbing. Come on, you buy that?

Would you like to rage about stem cell research next?


If the Stems cells are obtained immorally and illegally, yes...

wheel,,
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#79 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 8:18 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
I'm surprised I haven't seen this topic discussed here.(maybe I missed it)
Abortion is murder,selling body parts is disgusting.To see the callous way it was discussed in the under cover videos saddens me tremendously.
Planned Parenthood killed 90,000 black babies last year...

Thanks Margaret Sanger

I can't wait to hear our resident Libs here defend this...


wheel,,

Above you said abortion is murder. Did you mean all abortion? Or is it ok to use a womb broom in the first trimester?
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#80 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 9:04 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Above you said abortion is murder. Did you mean all abortion? Or is it ok to use a womb broom in the first trimester?


well,
would it be ok to kill your child before age of 2 yrs but 6 months old would be better ?

or,

Can we Euthanize you when you're 65 and you're a financial drag on society ?

Life is life....

slippery slope ..

wheel,,
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#81 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 9:31 PM EST
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It's a sin to waste sperm too
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#82 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 9:48 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
well,
...Can we Euthanize you when you're 65 and you're a financial drag on society ?

Life is life....

slippery slope ..

wheel,,



Don't give Trump and company any more ideas.
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#83 Posted: Thu, Jul 30 2015, 11:49 PM EST
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Teedubya that's why Victor doesn't spit.
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#84 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 4:53 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I find it interesting that some of those who say abortion is murder are willing to commit murder to those who do abortions.





I'm not surprised......first you'd have to do the very basic math that these " lives " cannot defend themselves, they have no voice other than those who care enough to give them one. What were all seeing right now is grown fully thinking adults selling off baby parts for profit, so in my mind there's no comparison. Don't misunderstand my reply as justification for Anyone taking a human life!!


tonygraz wrote:
Don't give Trump and company any more ideas.


Again you've got the wrong guy......it's Barry and Co. That like the idea of death panels......
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#85 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 5:53 AM EST
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OMG a Trump - Palin fan. Dumb and Dumber.
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#86 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 6:56 AM EST
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Think
A billionaire and an ex-Governor... ya. a couple real dumb asses... Mellow
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#87 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 7:11 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya that's why Victor doesn't spit.

LMAO
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#88 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 7:17 AM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
well,
would it be ok to kill your child before age of 2 yrs but 6 months old would be better ?

or,

Can we Euthanize you when you're 65 and you're a financial drag on society ?

Life is life....

slippery slope ..

wheel,,

Yes, and I would deserve it because I stopped my brother from going on a date once – so I prolly murdered the son he would have conceived that night. It’s my fault Little Johnny was never born!



BTW – I talked to God about this and he says your wrong…..
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#89 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 7:23 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:

BTW – I talked to God about this and he says your wrong…..



Does God have an accent..?? Huh
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#90 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 7:38 AM EST
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When I talked to him he sounded like a combination between Bear Bryant and Morgan Freeman.
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#91 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:29 AM EST
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Funny, sounded more like Charlton Heston to me.
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#92 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:32 AM EST
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I thought it was Jackie Mason first time I heard him... Mellow
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#93 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:33 AM EST
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That time I ran into Moses, he sounded a lot like Charlton Heston. Sure you don't have them confused, Spey?
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#94 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:34 AM EST
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All I get is Gilbert Godfrey it however you spell it.
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#95 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:35 AM EST
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God is the insurance Duck..?? Huh
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#96 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:35 AM EST
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I'm usually confused. LOL.
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#97 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:43 AM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
That time I ran into Moses, he sounded a lot like Charlton Heston.



were you at the singing bush..?? Huh
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#98 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:50 AM EST
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Jeb sings ?
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#99 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:52 AM EST
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I hope he sings at the debate next week. That would be awesome. Maybe a duet of Sounds of Silence with Trump?
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#100 Posted: Fri, Jul 31 2015, 8:53 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Jeb sings ?


Yes, he does a very emotional rendition of Danny Boy... Mellow
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