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At what point is does she and her attorney get arrested???
Abrignac Offline
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U.S. Code Title 18 Sec. 1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material wrote:
(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term "classified information of the United States" means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.


Hillary has apparently turned over a flash drive that contains classified information to her attorney. Why hasn't FBI agents secured a search warrant and picked up the server from wherever it is stored and why have they not done the same with the flash drive?

As to the argument that the information wasn't classified, one only needs to brief themselves with Executive Order 13526 which was issued in 2009 by Barack Obama.

Sec. 1.8 Classification Challenges. wrote:

(a)   Authorized holders of information who, in good faith, believe that its classification status is improper are encouraged and expected to challenge the classification status of the information in accordance with agency procedures established under paragraph (b) of this section.
(b)   In accordance with implementing directives issued pursuant to this order, an agency head or senior agency official shall establish procedures under which authorized holders of information, including authorized holders outside the classifying agency, are encouraged and expected to challenge the classification of information that they believe is improperly classified or unclassified. These procedures shall ensure that:


Is one to believe that as Secretary of State Hillary was unaware of her duty to challenge the status of the information she was putting into her private emails?
Speyside Offline
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Rhetorical question?
Abrignac Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Rhetorical question?



Not really. Wasn't retired general David Petraeus charged for doing exactly the same thing?
Speyside Offline
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Then a straight forward answer. Should she be charged? Absolutely. Will she be charged? Absolutely not.
rfenst Offline
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Yawn...
This will never go anywhere.
ZRX1200 Offline
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#democratprivelidge
Brewha Offline
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Shouldn't we be more concerned with something more reverent?
Like what it cost for the President to travel?
Or what about her birth certificate?

You know, I hear tell Hillery is a mooslum.....
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Brewha wrote:
Shouldn't we be more concerned with something more reverent?
Like what it cost for the President to travel?
Or what about her birth certificate?

You know, I hear tell Hillery is a mooslum.....



Are you kidding? Her too?
Brewha Offline
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banderl wrote:
Are you kidding? Her too?

I didn't believe it at first. But they said the report was fair and balanced.....

Just sayin'
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Brewha wrote:
Shouldn't we be more concerned with something more reverent?
Like what it cost for the President to travel?
Or what about her birth certificate?

You know, I hear tell Hillery is a mooslum.....



She is not a mooslum but is a confirmed biotch.



Hope that is PC enough for you.
Brewha Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
She is not a mooslum but is a confirmed biotch.



Hope that is PC enough for you.

Plenty enough.

Thank you for caring....
Burner02 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Plenty enough.

Thank you for caring....



I'm a caring individual.


TMCTLT Offline
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Talk about THE item of the decade.....to see this vile woman behind bars would be AWESOME and long over due.
Give her and Bill a suite in one of our fine institutions!!!
kombat96 Offline
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Ironic, deflated balls has gotten more news time then this.
TMCTLT Offline
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kombat96 wrote:
Ironic, deflated balls has gotten more news time then this.






That shouldn't surprise you too much, nothing matters more in this country than being half assed entertained.
And those who are able to vote for the likes of her....we'll enough said!
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TMCTLT wrote:
That shouldn't surprise you too much, nothing matters more in this country than being half assed entertained.
And those who are able to vote for the likes of her....we'll enough said!

It'll never change either.
Brewha Offline
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Bread and circuses.....
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TMCTLT wrote:
Talk about THE item of the decade.....to see this vile woman behind bars would be AWESOME and long over due.
Give her and Bill a suite in one of our fine institutions!!!


Just imagine the indignation if it was something serious like going to war based on lies or torturing prisoners.
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tonygraz wrote:
Just imagine the indignation if it was something serious like going to war based on lies or torturing prisoners.


Couldn't agree more. Neither of them was/is fit to be President.
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My suspicion is that those that seek out that power are the least fit to wield it. Which is unfortunate for all of us.
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There is an old saying. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I don't think the power has to be anywhere near absolute to corrupt absolutely. And stuff.
Brewha Offline
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True that.
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tonygraz wrote:
Just imagine the indignation if it was something serious like going to war based on lies or torturing prisoners.



If we're STILL talking about Bush.....I agree, but we're talking about a man who WAS our president and NO he was NOT a very good one!! But please don't defend this Bitch and give reasons why she's " electable " .....cuz she isn't, unless you want a second helping of lies and cover ups Beer
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So you are committed to not talking about this administration once it is out. Good on you. I still will. There is no reset button.

I loved Reagan which makes it hard to swallow the republican rhetoric around Iran. If I could just clear my head of history it would be much easier to be illogical.

As for jail time etc. in the op remember how many times Obama care was declared illegal by the legal experts in here? She's scum and I think unelectable. I think the republicans only shot at winning (because they have become so damn stupid over the past decade or so by catering one part of their party) is if she wins the nomination and they don't run a carnival barker like Cruz, trump, etc.
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if at some point, the **** sticks, O will pardon her for any transgressions. I see this happening if it is determined that she will not get elected. Unfortunately, there are enough people who cannot smell the smoke and stench tied to this woman, and will elect her for the simple reason that she is a woman.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/?UTM_SOURCE=yahoo
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-clinton-aide-accused-of-receiving-overpayments-at-state-department/2015/07/31/978d622a-3794-11e5-9739-170df8af8eb9_story.html
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Mrs.Tank wrote:
if at some point, the **** sticks, O will pardon her for any transgressions. I see this happening if it is determined that she will not get elected. Unfortunately, there are enough people who cannot smell the smoke and stench tied to this woman, and will elect her for the simple reason that she is a woman.




Kinda like Ovomit being elected just because he is almost black. d'oh!
Burner02 Offline
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jespear wrote:
Kinda like Ovomit being elected just because he is almost black. d'oh!



Does half equate to almost?



Think
ZRX1200 Offline
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I'm waiting for his white half to get impeached.


Moochelle told me he's hung like Boener.
jespear Offline
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Burner02 wrote:
Does half equate to almost?



Think


Almost.
teedubbya Offline
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Isn't he more like Neapolitan since there is some commie thrown in there too?
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https://www.google.com/search?site=&oq=Neopol&aqs=mobile-gws-lite.0.0l5&q=neapolitan#q=neapolitan+ice+cream+fingers&imgrc=P85xVsowI9WmfM%3A
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teedubbya wrote:
Isn't he more like Neapolitan since there is some commie thrown in there too?

Mooslum - don't be forgetin' the mooslum part.
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Brewha wrote:
Mooslum - don't be forgetin' the mooslum part.


what flavor is mooslum?
Speyside Offline
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I thought it was a fabric.
Brewha Offline
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victor809 wrote:
what flavor is mooslum?

I think it must taste like chicken…..but with curry.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-aide-may-have-made-favors-for-friends-ig-finds/article/2569447
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That Bassard..!! Mad
teedubbya Offline
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I heard the fbi got her
DrafterX Offline
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I heard that too.... Mellow
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‘Top Secret’ emails found as Clinton probe expands to key aides


As pressure builds on Hillary Clinton to explain her official use of personal email while serving as secretary of state, she faced new complications Tuesday. It was disclosed her top aides are being drawn into a burgeoning federal inquiry and that two emails on her private account have been classified as “Top Secret.”

The inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified senior members of Congress that two of four classified emails discovered on the server Clinton maintained at her New York home contained material deemed to be in one of the highest security classifications - more sensitive than previously known.

The notice came as the State Department inspector general’s office acknowledged that it is reviewing the use of “personal communications hardware and software” by Clinton’s former top aides after requests from Congress.

“We will follow the facts wherever they lead, to include former aides and associates, as appropriate,” said Douglas Welty, a spokesman for the State Department’s inspector general.

Despite the acknowledgment, the State Department inspector general’s office has left numerous unanswered questions, including exactly who and what is being investigated. The office initially declined to comment and referred questions to the Intelligence Community inspector general’s office, which said it is not currently involved in any inquiry into aides and is being denied full access to aides’ emails by the State Department. Clinton, herself, is not a target.

The expanding inquiry threatens to further erode Clinton’s standing as the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. Since her reliance on private email was revealed in March, polls in crucial swing states show that increasing numbers of voters say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, in part, because of her use of private emails.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, the Republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee, wants Clinton and her aides to “come clean and cough up” information about their personal email use.

“Both the State Department and Intelligence Community inspectors general should be looking into the staff use of the Clinton private server for official State Department business. This means giving both inspectors general access and custody of all emails that haven’t already been deleted,” said Grassley of Iowa. “From what is publicly known, it appears that the investigation thus far has focused so much on the former secretary of state, that it’s gotten lost that high-level staff apparently also used this server too.”

State Department spokesman John Kirby referred to the Intelligence Community’s disclosure as a recommendation to “upgrade” the two emails’ classification to “Top Secret.” In a statement, he said that “while we work with the Director of National Intelligence to resolve whether, in fact, this material is actually classified, we are taking steps to ensure the information is protected and stored appropriately.”

At least four top aides have turned over records, including copies of work emails on personal accounts, to the State Department, which is collecting them in response to a subpoena from Capitol Hill, according to the department. Lawmakers have demanded records, including personal emails, from six other aides, but it’s unknown whether they used personal email for work.

Three Republican Senate committee chairmen _ Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bob Corker of Tennessee and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin _ requested in March that both inspector generals conduct an audit of aides’ personal emails.

“As outlined in the joint letter with his colleagues, Chairman Burr has expressed concern that State Department aides may have transmitted sensitive or classified information in an insecure manner,” Burr spokesman Becca Glover Watkins said. “Chairman Burr expects that the IGs will conduct their investigations as requested.”

But it’s not clear that’s being done.

Welty initially said the Intelligence Community inspector general, which had already been looking into the issue of whether classified information has been improperly shared with or by Clinton, has taken responsibility for deciding which emails to review, from whom and determining their classification.

However, Andrea Williams, a spokeswoman for the Intelligence Community Inspector General, said that office “never had access to any emails other than those provided to the State Department by former Secretary Clinton.”

But she said her office could get involved. “The intent is not to just focus on Clinton,” Williams said.

THE OFFICE OF EVALUATIONS AND SPECIAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL (OIG) IS REVIEWING THE USE OF COMMUNICATIONS HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE BY FIVE SECRETARIES OF STATE AND THEIR IMMEDIATE STAFFS.
Steve A Linick, Inspector General, Department of State and I. Charles McCullough, III, Inspector General, Intelligence Community to Patrick F. Kennedy, Under Secretary for Management, Department of State

An impasse remains between the State Department and the Intelligence Community’s inspector general over whether the intelligence watchdog should be provided copies of emails due to jurisdictional issues. The State Department has provided records to its Inspector General. A State Department spokesman declined to comment on the issue.

Revelations that dozens of Clinton’s emails now include classified information has prompted an FBI inquiry into whether classified information was improperly stored on her private server and a thumb drive held by her attorney. The news has sparked fear among national security experts that the federal government’s secrets may have been exposed or even hacked. However, the two inspectors general said the material in Clinton’s email was not marked as classified at the time. The FBI declined to comment.

Clinton, which has repeatedly denied she ever sent or received classified information, has attempted to downplay the scrutiny as mere partisan attacks, but questions about her judgment and motive for setting up a private server in her Chappaqua house in 2009 continue to dog her. Her campaign declined to comment.

The case is more complicated because of Clinton’s prominence. A former secretary of state, senator and first lady, Clinton has friends and connections throughout the administration and on Capitol Hill.

“I think the headline is that there’s nothing but murkiness and non-answers from the State Department,” said Bradley Moss, a lawyer who is representing Gawker, a media organization suing for access to one aide’s emails. “I think the State Department is figuring this out as it goes along, which is exactly why no one should be using personal email to conduct government business.”

In March, the House committee investigating the fatal attacks in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012 subpoenaed records, including personal emails relating to official business, from 10 Clinton aides at the State Department about Libya for a two-year period. In turn, the department asked them for records.

Administration officials and Clinton aides have declined to provide a full list of which aides used personal email for government business or who might have had an email account on Clinton’s personal server.

Clinton acknowledged that Huma Abedin, her deputy chief of staff and one of Clinton’s closest confidants, had an account on her personal server in a sworn affidavit filed Monday in a Freedom of Information lawsuit seeking State Department records.

Clinton’s affidavit was her first disclosure that any of her former aides used personal accounts or accounts on her personal server to conduct business. Clinton said that her chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, did not have an account on the server.

Mills, Jake Sullivan, also a deputy chief of staff, and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Philippe Reines have turned over records to the State Department, including personal emails, in response to a subpoena by the House committee investigating the fatal attacks in Benghazi, Libya in 2012, according to the State Department.

Mills had planned to delete her emails after submitting them to the State Department, according to an Aug. 6 letter from her attorney to the State Department submitted as evidence in the Freedom of Information suit by Judicial Watch, a conservative public interest group that also has sued the State Department seeking Clinton aides’ emails. Her attorneys planned to keep a copy.

But U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is presiding over the suit, issued an order Friday instructing the State Department to direct Clinton, Mills and Abedin not to destroy any records.

Reines and Sullivan did not respond to messages nor did attorneys for Mills and Abedin.

Clinton has turned over 30,490 work emails to the State Department in response to a request from the agency, but said that she deleted another 31,830 personal emails.

But in June, after Clinton’s longtime confidant Sidney Blumenthal gave the House committee emails between him and the former secretary of state, the State Department realized it was missing all or part of 15 emails.

THIS CONFIRMS DOUBTS ABOUT THE COMPLETENESS OF CLINTON’S SELF-SELECTED PUBLIC RECORD AND RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT HER DECISION TO ERASE HER PERSONAL SERVER _ ESPECIALLY BEFORE IT COULD BE ANALYZED BY AN INDEPENDENT, NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY ARBITER.
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., chairman of House Select Committee on Benghazi

The Intelligence Community’s inspector general requested that the FBI scrutinize the security implications of Clinton’s use of the private email after determining that at least five emails containing classified information had been stored on her private server, including one email that State Department officials inadvertently released in response to a public records lawsuit. Two others are under review for final classification.

I. Charles McCullough III, the inspector general for the intelligence community, said State Department officials had warned that there were “potentially hundreds of classified emails” on Clinton’s private server.

The State Department has begun to release Clinton’s emails in response to a public records lawsuit. Clinton said that the use of personal email by State Department employees was permitted at the time, but State Department and White House officials decline to say whether she sought or received prior approval from anyone or whether anyone objected to it later.

The National Archives’ regulations permit the use of personal email for government business, but mandates that records must be kept.

Anita Kumar: 202-383-6017, @anitakumar01

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article30714762.html#storylink=cpy
DrafterX Offline
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just a matter of time now... Beer

na na na na...
na na na na...
Hey hey hey... Whistle
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DEMOCRATIC presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton directs her staff to hand over her personal server to federal investigators amid questions over whether classified email was mishandled while she was secretary of state.

Film at 11.... Mellow





Hey hey hey... Whistle
rfenst Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
DEMOCRATIC presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton directs her staff to hand over her personal server to federal investigators amid questions over whether classified email was mishandled while she was secretary of state.

Film at 11.... Mellow





Hey hey hey... :-"



Her lawyer handed the emails over to the FBI yesterday.
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I heard he was carrying around the Top Secret classified emails around on a thumb-drive... is that what he turned over..?? Huh
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he was carrying around the Top Secret classified emails around on a thumb-drive... is that what he turned over..?? Huh


Don't know wheter data was top-secret, but article did confirm thumb drives...
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He supposedly had copies of her emails that were found to be Top Secret in his possession on the thumb-drive.. which is a big no-no in itself... but he prolly didn't know it at the time.. Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
He supposedly had copies of her emails that were found to be Top Secret in his possession on the thumb-drive.. which is a big no-no in itself... but he prolly didn't know it at the time.. Mellow



wrong smiley William...it chuddah been Liar

I watched an interview with former Sup. Court judge Napolitano who said they'd found within the first 40 e=mails information that gave the exact location of Amb. Stevens in Benghazi....
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