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teedubbya Offline
#101 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 2:44 PM EST
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If I saw someone walking down the street with an assault rifle I'd get the eff away from them pronto and be very uncomfortable. They may or may not be a theater shooter but I'd just as soon not take the time to find out. So yes... without all the info I do lump them together because it is the most cautious approach for my safety. I'm not all that interested in philosophy or theoretical rights at that point.
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#102 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 2:51 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If I saw someone walking down the street with an assault rifle I'd get the eff away from them pronto and be very uncomfortable. They may or may not be a theater shooter but I'd just as soon not take the time to find out. So yes... without all the info I do lump them together because it is the most cautious approach for my safety. I'm not all that interested in philosophy or theoretical rights at that point.


That's not very cbid of you.
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#103 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 2:57 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
And you assume way too much...d'oh!

Go back and re-read his comparison ( a guy with an AK47 next to him @ the filling station ) to these guys giving a reporter cover in Ferguson, get over your yourself already.



That didn't take long.
Gene363 Online
#104 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 2:58 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If I saw someone walking down the street with an assault rifle I'd get the eff away from them pronto and be very uncomfortable. They may or may not be a theater shooter but I'd just as soon not take the time to find out. So yes... without all the info I do lump them together because it is the most cautious approach for my safety. I'm not all that interested in philosophy or theoretical rights at that point.


This is pretty much how I look at open carry. I see threat, avoid! Like Labor Day camping in the Southern Sierras at Lake Isabella when the Hell's Angles are camping just down the road. on la Now if I lived in Arizona where it's common, not so much, freedom is pretty cool.
banderl Offline
#105 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:01 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
I'm not sure how much more clear I can be. I asked a question only related to laws regarding open carry of assault rifles. I specifically did not address the Ferguson issue. I never made a comparison anywhere.

You are arguing a comparison that isn't there, I think because you wanted it to be there.

I even went back through my posts to see where you might have thought I compared the two. I missed it, but if you find it, please point it out. It's entirely possible I skimmed over it or I read somethung differently than you.

I'm really not sure why this has bent you out of shape so much



Hmmmmm...............
teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:01 PM EST
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I'm in an open carry state (The one these oaf makers or whatever they are are currently in....) I'd just react a bit different to someone carrying a long gun down the road than to a pistol.... something just aint right at that point. You can go shake his hand and congratulate him for excersizing his rights. I'm getting the eff away.
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#107 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:01 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If I saw someone walking down the street with an assault rifle I'd get the eff away from them pronto and be very uncomfortable. They may or may not be a theater shooter but I'd just as soon not take the time to find out. So yes... without all the info I do lump them together because it is the most cautious approach for my safety. I'm not all that interested in philosophy or theoretical rights at that point.



Libtard!
SmokeMonkey Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:08 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Hmmmmm...............


Seriously, did I make that comparison somewhere and just missed it? I'm perplexed. Think
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#109 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:12 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm in an open carry state (The one these oaf makers or whatever they are are currently in....) I'd just react a bit different to someone carrying a long gun down the road than to a pistol.... something just aint right at that point. You can go shake his hand and congratulate him for excersizing his rights. I'm getting the eff away.


I generally agree. In my state we can hunt with semis so you will see guys walking with a slung ar10 or even aks. But if there is not a rally I'm aware of or in a hunting area I usually become a little more alert and keep my distance. I have no desire to be in their youtube video.
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#110 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You can go shake his hand and congratulate him for excersizing his rights. I'm getting the eff away.



At least throw a rock at him first... Not talking
banderl Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:23 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Seriously, did I make that comparison somewhere and just missed it? I'm perplexed. Think



I'm sure that you didn't, I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you, that Paul sees it that way.
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#112 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:47 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
she supported the KKK supremacy and segregation efforts


I've never seen any evidence to support such a claim . . .
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#113 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:49 PM EST
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TW just said it.... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:59 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm in an open carry state (The one these oaf makers or whatever they are are currently in....) I'd just react a bit different to someone carrying a long gun down the road than to a pistol.... something just aint right at that point. You can go shake his hand and congratulate him for excersizing his rights. I'm getting the eff away.



I think it's pretty simple logic to me.

A pistol is not particularly cumbersome. Carrying one does not inconvenience the wearer much, and in their mind adds protection. A long-arm is cumbersome, one isn't just going to carry it just in case any more than a person would walk down the street with a sword or axe "just in case". You're carrying it for a purpose, because you think you need that amount of additional firepower.

If there isn't anything obvious going on that would require that amount of firepower already, the logical assumption is that they are considering creating that situation.
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#115 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 3:59 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
If I saw someone walking down the street with an assault rifle I'd get the eff away from them pronto and be very uncomfortable. They may or may not be a theater shooter but I'd just as soon not take the time to find out. So yes... without all the info I do lump them together because it is the most cautious approach for my safety. I'm not all that interested in philosophy or theoretical rights at that point.




LMAO....what info did the victims of the theater shootings get before those sick bastards walked into a pitch black theater and start shooting? And WHY are you trying to make a comparison of the two? That's the only point I was trying to make with Smokemonkey, these guys were NOT here to do harm, they were there to help prevent it.


http://news.yahoo.com/oath-keepers-ferguson-michael-brown-protests-164305035.html;_ylt=A0SO8x8isMtVgMoAH1dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMDlrZHBoBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDVklQNjE3XzEEc2VjA3Ny


Watch the video that shows one of the fellas discussing tax codes etc with some of the protesters....yeah this is the same as theater shooters. d'oh!
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#116 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:01 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
I'm sure that you didn't, I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you, that Paul sees it that way.



Pile on Bandy....have fun, how's it feel in your little clique?
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#117 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:07 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Pile on Bandy....have fun, how's it feel in your little clique?



Actually, it feels pretty nice.
We have weekly get togethers, and have some great smokes, beers, and hookers.
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#118 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:11 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
Seriously, did I make that comparison somewhere and just missed it? I'm perplexed. Think




SmokeMonkey wrote:
So I shouldn't have any apprehension over the guy next to me filling his car up with a loaded AK-47? I find that odd.

This is NOT the same as these guys in Ferguson, MO. giving a reporter a little cover.

It's not the gun, it's what's wrong with the guy walkimg around with an assault rifle where there's no need.


Who are you to say there is / was no need? Do you live there, where you there the first time around when the violence broke out? Are you aware how long it takes law enforcement to arrive when you need them? As I said I'm not picking on you I simply don't see what these guys did as wrong.



Please keep in mind that I have never lived outside the South and am quite familiar with firearms. Not problem with concealed carry, no problems with people carrying due to their job. I've shot a wide array of firearms, been through gun safety, etc.

But even in the reddest of red states, Alabama, I've never seen a guy walk down the street with a visible automatic weapon who didn't have a badge or an obvious military uniform. If that happens all the time in Indiana, well...



Were they " automatic " or semi autos....I ask because there IS a big difference.
TMCTLT Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:12 PM EST
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banderl wrote:
Actually, it feels pretty nice.
We have weekly get togethers, and have some great smokes, beers, and hookers.



Cool
TMCTLT Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:19 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I don't think we should restrict people's ability to carry weapons, but to say it makes you feel safer seems odd.

Unless you know the person carrying a weapon, you have no idea what they may or may not do with it, nor do you know the skill and capability with which they'd wield said weapon.

Just because someone is carrying a gun doesn't mean they have your best interests in mind.




Nor does it become automatic that they mean you harm.....
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#121 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:19 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:

Watch the video that shows one of the fellas discussing tax codes etc with some of the protesters....yeah this is the same as theater shooters. d'oh!


I bet the theater shooters and/or church shooters and/or any other random shooters probably had opinions on tax codes too. Prolly written in their manifestos.
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#122 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:21 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I bet the theater shooters and/or church shooters and/or any other random shooters probably had opinions on tax codes too. Prolly written in their manifestos.





Did you even listen to it before just running your mouth???? Or is that just part of your ultra liberal manifesto.
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#123 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:22 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
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Nor does it become automatic that they mean you harm.....


Correct.

My point being that if someone's next to me with a gun, and I'm not keeping a very close eye on them, there may be a hole in me before I know they mean me harm. Even treating them with suspicion, I'd only have moments between knowing they mean me harm and a hole possibly appearing in my body.

The risk is all mine in those situations.
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#124 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:23 PM EST
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that's why I keep a big rock in my pocket... Mellow
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#125 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:25 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:





Did you even listen to it before just running your mouth???? Or is that just part of your ultra liberal manifesto.


What? Your evidence that the oath keepers aren't random theater shooters is because they are willing to discuss tax codes. That seems kind of ... arbitrary... to me. And I'm willing to bet that there's a lot of opinion on tax codes in most of the mass shooters we've seen in recent years (at least those who left a written record).

I'm not saying the oath keepers are mass shooters. I'm saying their willingness to discuss tax code is no more proof that they aren't a shooter than a woman being heavier than a duck is evidence she isn't a witch.
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#126 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:25 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Correct.

My point being that if someone's next to me with a gun, and I'm not keeping a very close eye on them, there may be a hole in me before I know they mean me harm. Even treating them with suspicion, I'd only have moments between knowing they mean me harm and a hole possibly appearing in my body.

The risk is all mine in those situations.




True true.... but same holds true with a knife or....a rock
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#127 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:32 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
What? Your evidence that the oath keepers aren't random theater shooters is because they are willing to discuss tax codes. That seems kind of ... arbitrary... to me. And I'm willing to bet that there's a lot of opinion on tax codes in most of the mass shooters we've seen in recent years (at least those who left a written record).

I'm not saying the oath keepers are mass shooters. I'm saying their willingness to discuss tax code is no more proof that they aren't a shooter than a woman being heavier than a duck is evidence she isn't a witch.




it seems rather arbitrary to me that you equate someone holding a gun with someone who will then shoot you with it, nor is your ability to parallel the two instances to one another
teedubbya Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:32 PM EST
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#115 bizzar.
TMCTLT Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:34 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
What? Your evidence that the oath keepers aren't random theater shooters is because they are willing to discuss tax codes. That seems kind of ... arbitrary... to me. And I'm willing to bet that there's a lot of opinion on tax codes in most of the mass shooters we've seen in recent years (at least those who left a written record).

I'm not saying the oath keepers are mass shooters. I'm saying their willingness to discuss tax code is no more proof that they aren't a shooter than a woman being heavier than a duck is evidence she isn't a witch.



I can't believe you guys get away with this chit.....no proof to back your accusations and no guff from the peanut gallery
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#130 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
#115 bizzar.



Yes, anything I say seems bizzar to you....so what's new?

Wait...are you @ a bizzar....whatta they sellin? I might want sumpin
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#131 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:36 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
that's why I keep a big rock in my pocket... Mellow



That's why I keep an onion on my belt.
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:38 PM EST
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There is just no correlation or logic in what you are saying to what I said. It's sort of random or Tourette ish.

It's not uncommon but it is really bizzar. It's as if there is something wrong with your campus of hippos.
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#133 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:38 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
#115 bizzar.



Huh?
banderl Offline
#134 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:39 PM EST
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Prager Agars?
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#135 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:43 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
True true.... but same holds true with a knife or....a rock


If a knife or a rock were consistently as deadly as a gun, then one would not be arguing for the right to carry guns.
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#136 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:47 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
it seems rather arbitrary to me that you equate someone holding a gun with someone who will then shoot you with it, nor is your ability to parallel the two instances to one another


Anyone holding a gun has the potential to shoot me.
Someone not holding a gun, does not have a very high likelihood of immediately shooting me.

Nowhere in there am I equating that they will do it, simply that they have the potential to do it, and likely before I even know that it's happening.

How comfortable would you be sitting in a room with a guy standing behind you with an axe in his hands? I'd bet you'd be interested in keeping an eye on him. Maybe you wouldn't want to sit with your back to him?

This isn't rocket surgery.
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#137 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
If a knife or a rock were consistently as deadly as a gun, then one would not be arguing for the right to carry guns.



Really that's the best you can do??? BTW, we already have the right to carry all of them Beer
The rock just doesn't capture the headlines as well....

I like my rock....fog
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#138 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:53 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Anyone holding a gun has the potential to shoot me.
Someone not holding a gun, does not have a very high likelihood of immediately shooting me.

Nowhere in there am I equating that they will do it, simply that they have the potential to do it, and likely before I even know that it's happening.

How comfortable would you be sitting in a room with a guy standing behind you with an axe in his hands? I'd bet you'd be interested in keeping an eye on him. Maybe you wouldn't want to sit with your back to him?

This isn't rocket surgery.



Well with all your theoretical possibilities I'm surprised you don't feel threatened crossing the street.
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#139 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:54 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Were they " automatic " or semi autos....I ask because there IS a big difference.


I'm feeling as if you don't understand, still, that my question was not about Ferguson and that the scenario was hypothetical.

Also, you keep trying to prove some sort of point to me that has no bearing on the question I asked.

At this point I would expect someone to say "Sorry, man, I misunderstood and read things into your question that weren't there. My bad."
banderl Offline
#140 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 4:59 PM EST
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Your apology is accepted.
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#141 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 5:03 PM EST
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^Haha^

Love it!

I wish I had a clique :/ Maybe Tamapatom and I could start one?
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#142 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 5:06 PM EST
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SmokeMonkey wrote:
^Haha^

Love it!

I wish I had a clique :/ Maybe Tamapatom and I could start one?



It's legal now given recent court decisions.
SmokeMonkey Offline
#143 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 5:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
It's legal now given recent court decisions.


True, true
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#144 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 5:25 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
Well with all your theoretical possibilities I'm surprised you don't feel threatened crossing the street.

You never responded to my question. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I don't feel threatened under any of these circumstances. I've said that earlier in this thread. But it seems prudent to understand when you're at a distinct disadvantage.
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DrafterX wrote:
that's why I keep a big rock in my pocket... Mellow


I always keep a modest sized banana in mine
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#146 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 5:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You never responded to my question. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I don't feel threatened under any of these circumstances. I've said that earlier in this thread. But it seems prudent to understand when you're at a distinct disadvantage.



I WOULD ask right out of the gate....Why do you have an axe? If he said he wanted to put the whack on me....I'd ask why as I shot his ass, and then ask him WHY did you bring an axe to a gunfight.

ram27bat
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#147 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 6:07 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
I WOULD ask right out of the gate....Why do you have an axe? If he said he wanted to put the whack on me....I'd ask why as I shot his ass, and then ask him WHY did you bring an axe to a gunfight.

ram27bat


... and if his response was "not any of your business, I have every right to carry this axe."?

How trusting are you going to be to have him just standing there behind you, where you can't see if he decides to take a swing at your melon?
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#148 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 6:24 PM EST
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Wait - are you saying to "axe" him a question?

Damn, I crack myself up..
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#149 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 6:46 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
No you wait, are you telling me that because some F'n mental cases shot up theaters and " other crazy **** " that we should LUMP them in with these guys giving a reporter cover in a very volatile situation????? Did they shoot anyone? NO!!!!! I also carry legally Shaun and yes we'd both be " outgunned " there's a huge difference in sick people shooting up theaters and this case sorry.


Right, but how do you know the difference until the shooting starts? You don't.

People in civilian clothes walking around with assault rifles is not normal... it's unusual, at least where I live, and would cause me concern. I'm not saying they're wrong, or right, I'm just saying it would be alarming to me to see it.
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#150 Posted: Wed, Aug 12 2015, 6:59 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Right, but how do you know the difference until the shooting starts? You don't.

People in civilian clothes walking around with assault rifles is not normal... it's unusual, at least where I live, and would cause me concern. I'm not saying they're wrong, or right, I'm just saying it would be alarming to me to see it.


I agree. I have an AR and a Mini14 , so called assault rifles , I would never parade around with them. I am for concealed carry but not open carry particularly long guns..


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