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Obama gun control order: Here are 8 main provisions
Burner02 Offline
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AL.com - Ahead of a national address Tuesday, the White House is releasing details of its planned executive order related to tightening restrictions on firearms.

In a series of documents posted to its website, the Obama administration outlines the regulations, which include an increase in the number of background checks required for firearms purchases.

"Gun violence has taken a heartbreaking toll on too many communities across the country," the White House document noted. "Over the past decade in America, more than 100,000 people have been killed as a result of gun violence—and millions more have been the victim of assaults, robberies, and other crimes involving a gun."

The provisions are:

Closes 'gun-show' loophole

Require gun dealers, whether they sell in a store, at gun shows or over the internet, to conduct background checks on those wanting to purchase a firearm. The administration is not setting a limit on the number of transactions someone can make before they are considered a "gun dealer" but notes that "even a few transactions" can be enough to require a license and a background check. Failure to obtain a license can result in up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

Close loophole related to trust and corporate purchases

The National Firearms Act restricts sale of weapons such as machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. In recent years, individuals have been able to avoid background checks by purchasing these weapons through trusts, corporations or other legal entities. The number of these types of applications grew from fewer than 900 in 2000 to more than 90,000 in 2014, the White House said. The order will require people purchasing these weapons through trusts or other legal entities to undergo a background check.

State participation

Obama said Attorney General Loretta Lynch has written a letter to states urging them to provide complete information, such as criminal history, to the federal database that's used for background checks. The AG's office is also asking states to increase communications with anti-domestic violence agencies.

Streamline background check system

In 2015, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System received more than 22.2 million background checks, an average of about 63,000 per day. Under current law, if a background check isn't returned within three days, a dealer can move ahead with the sale. To speed up and modernize NCIS, the order directs the FBI to hire more than 230 staffers - a move that would double staff size - and complete technical updates to the database. The goal is for background checks to be processed 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Lost or stolen guns

The order also stipulates requirements related to what happens if a gun is lost or stolen while in transit to a firearms dealer. Dealers are required to report lost or stolen weapons from their inventory but the laws related to guns that go missing during transit aren't as clear. Under the new order, the licensee shipping the gun will be responsible for reporting it missing or stolen.

Mental health services

The White House is proposing to spend $500 million for increased mental healthcare services. Other provisions include reporting of Social Security information to the background check system, a move designed to keep those with mental health issues or who receive disability payments due to mental impairment from purchasing firearms.

Gun technology

The president is issuing a memorandum to the Department of Defense, Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security to increase research into gun safety technology. The memo also directs the agencies to promote the use and acquisition of new firearm technology.

Increased personnel, other measures

The White House said the president's 2017 budget will include funding for 200 new Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm agents to enforce gun laws. Another $4 million will go towards enhancements to the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network, which tracks evidence that can be used to link gun-related crimes.



We can all sleep better at night.
Sarcasm
DrafterX Offline
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Burner02 wrote:


Closes 'gun-show' loophole

Require gun dealers, whether they sell in a store, at gun shows or over the internet, to conduct background checks on those wanting to purchase a firearm. The administration is not setting a limit on the number of transactions someone can make before they are considered a "gun dealer" but notes that "even a few transactions" can be enough to require a license and a background check. Failure to obtain a license can result in up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.


Sarcasm




I think Congress said 'No' to this three times already... he's over-riding the Congress..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
I think Congress said 'No' to this three times already... he's over-riding the Congress..?? Huh

Who does he think he is? Bush?
Burner02 Offline
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Brewha wrote:
Who does he think he is? Bush?



The head clown.
cacman Offline
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It's all beginning to sound similar to the MJ Tax Stamp program attempted many years ago. The premise was you could legally own MJ as long as you paid a tax on what it was worth and received a tax stamp. Problem was you had to possess the MJ first to buy the stamp, but purchasing and/or growing the MJ was illegal. No Tax Stamps where ever issued.

None of the new laws would have prevented any of the recent attacks or mass murders. Ask Chicago.
Mr. Jones Offline
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It will be very very interesting about
"how this plays out at flea markets and
newspaper selling ads".....

No freakin' way are these "old timers" @ flea markets are going to buy smartphones and background checking equipment to sell guns
out of their car trunks, pickup trucks, and vans...

I forsee "mucho" sales ( till this passes) to all the mexican immigrant
farm workers I see carrying single shot shotguns all
around Williams Grove flea market in central PA....
they currently just buy guns w/ NO I.D. AT ALL....
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Seems to me the biggest problem here is the abuse of executive order. We supposedly live in a democracy, that seems to be slipping away. I believe that background checks should be performed on all gun sales, but not like this. We have a system off law that must be followed. I hope that his end run fails miserably.
Brewha Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Seems to me the biggest problem here is the abuse of executive order. We supposedly live in a democracy, that seems to be slipping away. I believe that background checks should be performed on all gun sales, but not like this. We have a system off law that must be followed. I hope that his end run fails miserably.

No, we supposedly live in a representative republic. Thus the points are law are being followed.

Just sayin'.
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You have always been required to have an FFL to be in the gun selling business, period. Let that soak in, there is no loophole.

The highlighted part is a problem. What they are doing is setting a trap for someone that sells their gun to an individual in their state, something that current law makes 100% legal.

Quote:
A person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms regardless of the location in which firearm transactions are conducted. For example, a person can be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms even if the person only conducts firearm transactions at gun shows or through the Internet. Those engaged in the business of dealing in firearms who utilize the Internet or other technologies must obtain a license, just as a dealer whose business is run out of a traditional brick-and-mortar store.

Quantity and frequency of sales are relevant indicators. There is no specific threshold number of firearms purchased or sold that triggers the licensure requirement. But it is important to note that even a few transactions, when combined with other evidence, can be sufficient to establish that a person is “engaged in the business.” For example, courts have upheld convictions for dealing without a license when as few as two firearms were sold or when only one or two transactions took place, when other factors also were present.

There are criminal penalties for failing to comply with these requirements. A person who willfully engages in the business of dealing in firearms without the required license is subject to criminal prosecution and can be sentenced up to five years in prison and fined up to $250,000. Dealers are also subject to penalties for failing to conduct background checks before completing a sale.
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Learn something every day. Still does not mean Obama's executive orders are not an end run around Congress with questionable legality.
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i learn of a new, fake "loophole" everytime this moron opens his mouth and two more when i hear hilary vomit out her rhetoric
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she vomits out of her what..?? Huh
gummy jones Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
she vomits out of her what..?? Huh


Sick you dont want to know
teedubbya Offline
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is a rhetoric the same as a chocolate starfish?
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I challenge ANYONE on this site to obtain a FFL, good luck with that. First they'll make it impossible to get the license (damn near already) and then go to work on the current license holders. They're already trying to force current license holders out of business. So, no licensed sellers = no firearms purchases period. All the libs really want is YOUR guns and they'll use ANY means possible to get them.
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teedubbya wrote:
is a rhetoric the same as a chocolate starfish?


yea but older
tonygraz Offline
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I don't see much that is not reasonable. I knew someone would claim that the government wants to take your guns.
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We're gonna have to trade our guns for crack and then sell to the childrens now instead of selling outright.... Thanks Obama..!! Mad
elRopo Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
I don't see much that is not reasonable. I knew someone would claim that the government wants to take your guns.

Go ahead Tony, TRY to get a FFL. Report back when you get it. I know you wont get a license because you CAN'T and neither can anyone else that doesn't own a storefront to buy and sell from. How many private individuals will qualify? Answer = 0
DrafterX Offline
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I guess it's not that bad... Any licensed dealer or pawn shpo would gladly give a fair market price for any guns needing sold... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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Speyside wrote:
Learn something every day. Still does not mean Obama's executive orders are not an end run around Congress with questionable legality.


When it comes to executive orders, Obama is an amateur:

FDR 3,522
Wilson 1,803
Eisenhower 484
Reagen 381
"W" 291
Obama 175 + today's total.

Executive order are politically anoying. But they are as leagal as buying a Glock....
Brewha Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
I don't see much that is not reasonable. I knew someone would claim that the government wants to take your guns.

It's only just begun. The right wing nuts and Fox will go into full spin out mode.

Hell, I have to show a drivers licenses to buy sinus pills, and they keep a log. But bullets? No problem. Buy all you want.
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Brewha wrote:
It's only just begun. The right wing nuts and Fox will go into full spin out mode.

Hell, I have to show a drivers licenses to buy sinus pills, and they keep a log. But bullets? No problem. Buy all you want.


Yes...only a couple days into his LAST year in office and he's already Crying for more gun control

Well maybe because they don't / can't manufacture Meth with yer bullets...i dunno

Meth kills
TMCTLT Offline
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Brewha wrote:
When it comes to executive orders, Obama is an amateur:

FDR 3,522
Wilson 1,803
Eisenhower 484
Reagen 381
"W" 291
Obama 175 + today's total.

Executive order are politically anoying. But they are as leagal as buying a Glock....



Not necessarily about the number of them But what those EO's contain!!!
frankj1 Offline
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OK, but who's gonna sift through a little more than 6,000 of them for us?

Brewha Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:

Well maybe because they don't / can't manufacture Meth with yer bullets...i dunno

Meth kills

But bullets don't?

LMAO!
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TMCTLT wrote:
Not necessarily about the number of them But what those EO's contain!!!

Go ahead, find one that is demonstratedly out side of the law.

I double dog dare you....
gummy jones Offline
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Probably the whole using abc organizations that have no accountability or elected representation to essentially enact legislation rather than going through the designed channels. Did I mention it directly targets one of the staples to the bill of rights? Would you change your tune if it targeted the first amendment? But yea other than that...
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teedubbya wrote:
is a rhetoric the same as a chocolate starfish?



No. Blue waffle.
dharbolt Offline
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Brewha wrote:
But bullets don't?

LMAO!



Bullets do not kill. The actions of ass holes propelling bullets at high speed using poor decision making kill.
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So what y'all are saying is, I need to go buy all the guns and ammo I can RIGHT NOW, right?

Sure seems that way as the two local gun shpos I passed by this evening had fuller parking lots than normal on a weekday night.
Brewha Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
Probably the whole using abc organizations that have no accountability or elected representation to essentially enact legislation rather than going through the designed channels. Did I mention it directly targets one of the staples to the bill of rights? Would you change your tune if it targeted the first amendment? But yea other than that...

Ballance GJ, we are looking for ballance.

The NRA and their minions seem to believe that all existing gun regulations, as well as any future regulations are tantamount to the cold blooded murder of the second amendment, nay a direct assault on all that is American.
Even apple pie.

But, the right has a fairly weak position on this issue. Once we are done saluting the flag we are left with the casualties of our indiscretion. No wonder they are touchy. There is plenty of shame to deny....
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Brewha wrote:
Ballance GJ, we are looking for ballance.

The NRA and their minions seem to believe that all existing gun regulations, as well as any future regulations are tantamount to the cold blooded murder of the second amendment, nay a direct assault on all that is American.
Even apple pie.

But, the right has a fairly weak position on this issue. Once we are done saluting the flag we are left with the casualties of our indiscretion. No wonder they are touchy. There is plenty of shame to deny....

These feel good, baseless laws will do nothing to stop the urban yutes from slaughtering each other in the womb or in the streets. Further, these stupid measures would have changed nothing in regards to the recent mass shootings.

Well we seem to want to "do something" because we "should do something" and that is what obumski is reaching for. Regardless of whether it will be effective or not. Regardless of whether it even makes sense. Regardless of the countless laws on the books that affect criminals but are not enforced. Regardless of the constitution.

With a growing government and apparently non existent checks/balances law abiding civilians are a soft target. Unilateral decrees by activist abc organization heads, judges, presidents, etc that become defacto laws are not how our republic was designed. These are dangerous precedents that are being set. People on both sides of the issue should be outraged that the proper channels are not being used even if a percentage of them (the libs) "feel we just need to do something." Today you and others are smiling because the tyranny is to your liking but tomorrow it may not be so.
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dharbolt wrote:
Bullets do not kill. The actions of ass holes propelling bullets at high speed using poor decision making kill.


Meth doesn't kill either. The actions of idiots burning the meth and inhaling the fumes kills.

But it's cool. I will support your rights for personal defense meth crystals. :)
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I see the left wing nuts are already out defending the head clown.
So far nothing that obama has proposed would have stopped any of the shootings the head clown was crying about today, but let's not let facts get in the way his left nut case agenda.
Was looking today at homicides stats for 2012. Out of the almost 9,000 homicides, 21% were committed in 11 cities alone. Those 11 cities are run by democrats, and are largely committed by non-whites. Just about all of those cities have very strict gun control laws.
I would venture to guess, that very few of those guns that were used, were purchased legally. So my question is, when is the head clown going to address this problem of gun violence in these cities being committed by people with unlawful guns? Requiring the average Joe to get an FFL license to sell some of his hunting rifles, isn't going to fix this problem.
Another thing to think about. If you now know, that if you go see a doctor, and talk to him about getting help for depression, or anxiety, that you might be put on a list and not be able to buy a gun, are you going to see that doctor now? If you are one of our Veteran's, and think that you might be suffering from PTSD, are you going to want to talk to someone, knowing that your 2nd Amendment rights might be taken away?
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VaMtnMan wrote:
I see the left wing nuts are already out defending the head clown.
So far nothing that obama has proposed would have stopped any of the shootings the head clown was crying about today, but let's not let facts get in the way his left nut case agenda.
Was looking today at homicides stats for 2012. Out of the almost 9,000 homicides, 21% were committed in 11 cities alone. Those 11 cities are run by democrats, and are largely committed by non-whites. Just about all of those cities have very strict gun control laws.
I would venture to guess, that very few of those guns that were used, were purchased legally. So my question is, when is the head clown going to address this problem of gun violence in these cities being committed by people with unlawful guns? Requiring the average Joe to get an FFL license to sell some of his hunting rifles, isn't going to fix this problem.
Another thing to think about. If you now know, that if you go see a doctor, and talk to him about getting help for depression, or anxiety, that you might be put on a list and not be able to buy a gun, are you going to see that doctor now? If you are one of our Veteran's, and think that you might be suffering from PTSD, are you going to want to talk to someone, knowing that your 2nd Amendment rights might be taken away?


shhhh
youre making too much sense

you must be pro slaughtering children and racism [changing argument and demonizing through hyperbole - works everytime]
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The way it really is: Liberals see a problem with growing death by guns and want to do something about it. Conservatives deny the problem and do nothing and claim that nothing proposed will work while saying the government is going to take your guns.
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tonygraz wrote:
The way it really is: Liberals see a problem with growing death by guns and want to do something about it. Conservatives deny the problem and do nothing and claim that nothing proposed will work while saying the government is going to take your guns.

+1
Brewha Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
These feel good, baseless laws will do nothing to stop the urban yutes from slaughtering each other in the womb or in the streets. Further, these stupid measures would have changed nothing in regards to the recent mass shootings.

Well we seem to want to "do something" because we "should do something" and that is what obumski is reaching for. Regardless of whether it will be effective or not. Regardless of whether it even makes sense. Regardless of the countless laws on the books that affect criminals but are not enforced. Regardless of the constitution.

With a growing government and apparently non existent checks/balances law abiding civilians are a soft target. Unilateral decrees by activist abc organization heads, judges, presidents, etc that become defacto laws are not how our republic was designed. These are dangerous precedents that are being set. People on both sides of the issue should be outraged that the proper channels are not being used even if a percentage of them (the libs) "feel we just need to do something." Today you and others are smiling because the tyranny is to your liking but tomorrow it may not be so.

I agree that Obama should be doing more.

However executive orders are part of the plan - not tyranny....
Unless they are the orders Bush gave.
Herfing
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The only thing that needs to be done is enforce current laws... you guys act like it's perfectly legal to walk into a school and start shooting people right now.. Mellow
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Maybe because the growing death by guns, is caused by ..........other democrat voters and the liberals can't just point that out without demonizing their base and being called.... Racists.
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*do something at any cost regardless of if it makes any sense or they are targeting the correct problem
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Brewha wrote:
I agree that Obama should be doing more.

However executive orders are part of the plan - not tyranny....
Unless they are the orders Bush gave.
Herfing


see my post above for a thorough answer

but a cliffs notes version is that an executive order to start a committee is a lot different than one targeting the bill of rights
TMCTLT Offline
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state


Look down through the laws state by state and see which ones have the MOST restrictive gun laws already on the books....and then look @ their crime rate. Then ask yourself WHY is Barry's home city one of THE WORST???

And then get back to those of us who live in a reality based world on exactly which law / laws could be enacted to stop death by guns..

HINT NO such bill or laws exists in reality or in lala land and never will
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You mean there is already a law that says you can't go into a school and short kids? I would think if there was a law against it, then people would obey it. I know, let's make 11 more laws that say you can't do that. People will believe we really mean it if there is a dozen laws that say the same thing. No, wait. Does it have to be s bakers dozen (13 for the liberals to understand) for people to take us seriously?
I bet in Baltimore right now, there is a guy name Huggy Bear, who is saying "Damn, now I have to get my FFL, before I sell another gun to Bo and Luke Duke from the trunk of my Huggy Mobile". I bet he is looking at all of the AR-15's in the back seat and thinking he needs to start pushing them, since no AR-15 has been used to shoot anyone in Baltimore in years. Maybe have a sale, throw in a free bayonet.
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Brewha wrote:
No, we supposedly live in a representative republic. Thus the points are law are being followed.

Just sayin'.


I know one person who might disagree with you.

His name is Barack H. Obama.
...at least that's his name right now.


When President Bush was pushing Executive Orders, then-candidate BHO swore he would uphold the Constitution and stop that behavior.
Well, I think he can say it better than I:

"You know I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously – the biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm President of the United States of America."


Transparency.
Hope.
Change.







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tailgater wrote:
I know one person who might disagree with you.

His name is Barack H. Obama.
...at least that's his name right now.


When President Bush was pushing Executive Orders, then-candidate BHO swore he would uphold the Constitution and stop that behavior.
Well, I think he can say it better than I:

"You know I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously – the biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm President of the United States of America."


Transparency.
Hope.
Change.














=d> Well done Joe.....well done Beer
tailgater Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
The way it really is: Liberals see a problem with growing death by guns and want to do something about it. Conservatives deny the problem and do nothing and claim that nothing proposed will work while saying the government is going to take your guns.


Just proves your partisan viewpoint.


Conservatives don't deny anything. Nobody has said there isn't a problem with mass murderers. Hell, conservatives are more likely to want to hang the bastids rather than institutionalize them or try some useless reform program.

Liberals don't see a mass murderer hellbent set on killing. They see a gun and want to punish anyone who ever wants to own one.

You can snopes it.

VaMtnMan Offline
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Yea, but he is a liberal. If their lips are moving, they are lying.
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I'm pretty sure anyone who uses easy one line sayings generalizing either group in broad inaccurate platitudes is not helping the problem and is in fact detrimental to any discussion.
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