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So Tony is now the Cbid ambassador speaking for all, I must have missed the memo. Welcome back Teddy.

Well I suppose we agree it looks stupid.

But “the fool is the twin of the wise”.
And, no – I’m not suggesting that I have a resemblance to TBG…

I'm not your daddy....

just sayin'.

You guys are all awesome.

Brewha, do you imply quantity or quality?

Homicides in the 90's decreased because of the war on drugs. More people were arrested and went to prison for longer periods of time. Also in the 90's Clinton poured a lot of money into Police Departments. More officers on the street, meant more officers for community policing. Police departments started a big push based upon the Broken Window theory. Take care of the small crimes, and the bigger crimes won't happen. People take pride in their neighborhood, when it looks nice and clean. Now the police are under attack for this, and neighborhoods are starting to look like **** again. Now they don't want the police to enforce small crimes, and bitch and moan when the big ones happen.



to be honest, it's not so much that anything above is wrong, just that I believe some is very right, and other factors are ignored...

for example:

the War on Drugs started over 20 years before the decline in the gun related murder rate, that's a tough one to believe deserves the bulk of the credit.

Increased police presence would be a big factor, though. I am pro-police, not pro-police state, but I seem to recall general safety improvements in the 90's, and general reinvestment in the "neighborhoods". Pride of ownership (even rentership) is a factor in neighborhoods too.

Not so inclined to believe that stopping small crime affects larger crime, but perhaps the poster has more info than I do as I seem to recall he is in Law Enforcement. I would believe that less crime in general lowers homicides as well, but I still feel the larger factor was more worthwhile employment.

You underestimate the worth of the finer prepared haggises with a good scotch and a stogie.

You heathen!

I cannot speak to the head cheese preparations...but then it would be a step up from the guv'ment cheese that you are used to.

Makes the best grilled cheese sammiches.

Haggis is bad enough without preparing it with a stogie and scotch - ain't there enough strange things in it ? I don't think they have have gov't cheese any more Drafter, but it's nat cho cheese anyway.

I did not think that was possible.....

did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

Yes I cannot just keep inserting emoji thingies all day long!

For the record, the 100,000 new police officers that Clinton supposedly put on streets was a big hoax. The federal government provided for a single year of salary. Afterwards, it was up to the individual municipalities to find money in their departmental budgets to keep them on after a year. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

For what it's worth the homocide rate is tied most closely to illicit drug trade. If one were to look closer into the homocide rate they would realize that a large number of murders are a result of drug deals gone bad and attempts to rob drug dealers.

IIRC, they are way more suicides where firearms were the method of choice than actual gun related homocides. Making guns harder to get wont lower the rate of suicide. Great Britian has a suicide rate per capita about the same as the US. With guns hard to come by there it's no surprise that a rope is the method of choice across the pond.

I haven't seen the numbers to support this, but it seems to me that heroin use in Eastern MA and Cape Cod is centered around the Needle Exchange program sites.
Or should I say Needle "exchange", because no exchange is needed.

Am I the only one who isn't surprised that heroin use is highest near a free needle clinic?
Why be an addict out in Western MA, when you can mosey over to the Cape and get new needles, spoons, and the arm-stretchy rubber band thingy for free? Heck, they'll even provide instructions.
You know. For your safety.

if you study it and, truthfully, knew the game in those days, then you would realize that most of the "dealers" back then were just guys who wanted to buy their guns wholesale without the mark up of the brick and mortars. i have quite a few friends who were. they were legal, normal, blue collar guys and some white collar dudes as well. the overwhelming majority of them were not actually selling anything (at least not with any frequency) to anyone, just continuing their hobby at a discount.

when the atf tightened their guidelines on who can be an ffl most of them stopped because...wait for it...they are/were law abiding citizens. so they sucked it up, spent an extra $50 when they wanted a gun at the corner gun shop rather than getting the discount through their own "business."

under clinton things didnt change much but it was harder to get an "assault rifle (semi automatic rifle that looks scary sometimes)," even though they have never, historically, been anywhere on the radar as a contributor to the homicide rate.

i sold a gun within this last year...abided by the law (although im sure an msnbc host would say i did so through some loophole or something) and was able to give a nice guy a good deal on a firearm i no longer enjoyed. if there were a simple way for me to do a background check and get a yes/no answer on a computer program that wouldnt also record the transaction illegally then i would have. if you make it easy for good people to do the right/safe thing then they usually will.

get the starter and ender in that platform
get the scar 17s...

And I'm still waiting on my Obamaphone.....

I donno - I heard the iphone6+'s are really nice.

I still have my old 5s

To be your neighbor?
That IS broke...

Anyone watch Der Leader on CNN Guns in America Townhall?

In the first 5 min the fantastic yarn spinner says this:

"There are neighborhoods around the country where it is easier for a 12 or 13 yr old to purchase a gun, and cheaper, than it is for them to get a book."

On what planet is this true?

This man is the biggest bold face liar ever to hold office.

How does he have any credibility whatsoever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uje6JfIg9dM

Yes.
Yes I do.

This is why I admitted to not really being up to speed, so thanks. Really. Until recently the term "assault rifle" conjured up an apparently totally wrong image in my mind, now I know.

Beyond that, upon reading this my comments are that most businesses that complain about difficulty with regulations/restrictions are businesses that are in it to actually do business in their respective industry, to make a living, provide a product and or service. They find the rules make that goal unreasonably difficult, and often have a legit gripe.

What you described though is "that most of the "dealers" back then were just guys who wanted to buy their guns wholesale without the mark up of the brick and mortars".

Clever, I have no doubt they are people of character, but a little bit of greed based deception was happening. Just buy at the same price as the guy carrying the B&M overhead! Who gets hurt...except the businessman.

Almost sounds like the businesses who really made a living by actually working in the gun selling industry were perhaps benefiting from the Clinton regulations, odd as that sounds.

I understand those that stopped were law abiding citizens, but based on the surface info I just absorbed, I do not think they were shafted so much as they were "beating the system" and were made to stop...ironically the government moves seemed to protect real retailers from guys looking to cut them out.

No attack intended GJ. I am really responding based on my reading comprehension skills so be easy on me!

You might wanna wait awhile before buying stock- not sure guns are going to be so popular in the future.

What has me fooled is why people keep buying guns if they really think the Gov't is coming to get them.

Wait for what??? The buck to pass me by???
I've been buying Apple stock for years. Even before the Big O was in office. Thanks to the Big O I'm considering buying stock in US arms stocks, as well as their products. I'm kicking myself for not buying their stocks earlier in his term.

But you go ahead believing in what the big "O" has to offer you, and investing tax payer dollars in companies like Chevy.