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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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I like to go back and read the press from the time things happened. Reagan moved forward and was applauded. This is nothing new and the outrage is duly noted. Then Clinton backed them off and bush was even more aggressive with clintons eos.

Reagan to Use Executive Orders to Bypass Congress
August 21, 1987|JACK NELSON | Times Washington Bureau Chief
WASHINGTON — With 17 months of his presidency remaining, Ronald Reagan will bank on executive orders and judicial action to implement social policies that he cannot persuade Congress to enact, Gary L. Bauer, the President's chief domestic policy adviser, declared Thursday.

Bauer, the feisty attorney Reagan named to push his social issue agenda, said the President may accomplish some of his goals in such areas as abortion and pornography through a series of executive orders and by his appointment of conservative judges to the federal judiciary, including his nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.

"With a hostile Congress that doesn't show much sign of coming toward us on some of these issues, it behooves us to take the initiative when we can take it," Bauer said.

There are a number of things "the President can unilaterally do," Bauer said, as evidenced by the plan Reagan announced three weeks ago to curb federal funding for organizations and groups that support abortion.


The plan will drastically restrict the ability of 4,500 federally funded family-planning clinics to give their patients information about abortion. Critics contend that it violates the intent of Congress by using regulations to achieve a purpose Congress rejected and violates the First Amendment by impeding the flow of information.

Bauer, 41, relatively little-known in his earlier Administration assignments, may become an increasingly influential figure in the remaining months of the Reagan White House. He shares many social and political beliefs held by the President and is regarded as an effective advocate of such conservative views on many key issues.

Interviewed at a breakfast session with reporters and editors of The Times' Washington Bureau, Bauer said executive orders may also be used to combat pornography and that his staff is studying a proposed executive order that would ban the sale of pornographic material on post exchanges at military bases.

The issue raises obvious constitutional questions, he said, and is being studied because "we want to make sure whatever we do is legal." Bauer said some spot checks made by outside groups disclosed "some really remarkably inappropriate material being sold in PXs." He did not identify the groups.

"I guess the analogy I would use (is): Does anybody think it would be acceptable if a PX sold material that was racially bigoted? Let's say we found that a PX had material in it by the klan calling certain races various things. I don't think anybody would bat an eye if the President issued an executive order saying that we will not exploit racial differences in government bookstores on Army bases. It seems to me that it's not that far a step to say nor will we sell material that is offensive to women," he said.

Opposition in Congress

Pornography is the one social issue where the Administration plans to introduce legislation even though heavy opposition can be expected in Congress. Bauer said legislation will be introduced to "try to implement" the report proposing restrictions on distribution of pornography that Atty. Gen. Edwin Meese III delivered last year.

Bauer, a short and round-faced man, is a self-described "Reagan true believer," who served as undersecretary of education before being appointed assistant to the President for policy development last Jan. 30.

At the Education Department and the White House, he has endeared himself to the Republican right wing and incurred the wrath of the Democratic left wing by fighting tenaciously for the President's social issues agenda and blaming liberals for many of the social problems plaguing the nation today.

Study of Family Life

At the Education Department, he headed a 22-member interdepartmental group that studied American family life for seven months and concluded that "two liberal decades" had resulted in increased crime, illegitimate birth, drug use, teen-age pregnancy, divorce, poverty and sexually transmitted disease. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), an expert on welfare policy, called the report "less a policy paper than a tantrum" and charged: "They're not writing from facts. This is just ideology."



It goes on to talk about other things like Bork.
victor809 Offline
#52 Posted:
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Hang on... Reagan had executive orders against porn?


Worst president ever....
tonygraz Offline
#53 Posted:
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Musta been when Nancy was telling him what to do.
DrafterX Offline
#54 Posted:
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I heard he had his aides round up all the porn they could find and stock-pile it for him... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#55 Posted:
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What did her astrologist say?
tonygraz Offline
#56 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I heard he had his aides round up all the porn they could find and stock-pile it for him... Mellow


Are you sure that wasn't Kennedy with the Cuban cigars ?
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted:
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Apparently they all do it... Clinton tried to hide some cigars as well.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#58 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Are you sure that wasn't Kennedy with the Cuban cigars ?


Holy sh*t.
You are almost brain dead aren't you?

Captain F*cking obvious.


tailgater Offline
#59 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Apparently they all do it... Clinton tried to hide some cigars as well.... Mellow


And became the inspiration for Lars Teton....
DrafterX Offline
#60 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Holy sh*t.
You are almost brain dead aren't you?

Captain F*cking obvious.





Laugh I just let it go....
Covfireman Offline
#61 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I saw what a test .223 round did to put a hole through 8" of steel.



Your blatant lie about a .223 round through 8 inches of steel makes your point . All anti gun people are liars. Like you.
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#62 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
And became the inspiration for Lars Teton....

so disgusting, and yet so funny!

And Teton begat Drew
tonygraz Offline
#63 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
Your blatant lie about a .223 round through 8 inches of steel makes your point . All anti gun people are liars. Like you.


When someone tells you something you didn't know was possible, do you always call them a liars ?
Maybe you are just too stupid to know what is really possible.
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted:
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I'm gonna have to question whether that's possible myself. I'm pretty sure it would take something the size of a ship's gun to get through 8" of steel. Otherwise you could sink a destroyer with small arms fire.

Caveat- you never specified the temperature of said 8" steel... If it was very very hot or very very cold, then this could be cool to see.
MACS Offline
#65 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
When someone tells you something you didn't know was possible, do you always call them a liars ?
Maybe you are just too stupid to know what is really possible.


A .223 round going through 8" of steel is impossible. You could use a cartridge 5 times the size, with 5 times as much powder... and it ain't gonna happen.

An armor piercing .50 caliber round would have a very hard time penetrating 5" of good grade steel. It is scientifically impossible for a .223 round to do it... so you are either lying, or you're easily duped.

I'll let you pick.
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#66 Posted:
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5.56 tends to "tumble" quite a bit...... a boattailed DU round?

Interested to hear about this Magic bullet.

My hot load FMJ cut through 1/2" plates, but not through alloy. We're you high during this test?
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#67 Posted:
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Wait, what?

.223 through steel?

Must be some soft ****.

I've got AR500 plates all over the woods behind me and as long as I'm not firing steel core, they simply sing. No pitting, no nothing.

Steel core and there might be some problems. Not 8" of problems, but maybe 3/8-1/2" of problems if loaded really really hot.
tonygraz Offline
#68 Posted:
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Never saw bullet or steel specs other than it being .223 and made for what it did. Since you don't believe that, I'll not bring up the special Uzi ammo.
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#69 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I saw what a test .223 round did to put a hole through 8" of steel.


You may want to walk that back. I've shot thousands of 5.56 rounds (same bullet & case as a .223 but loaded to a higher pressure). I've shot many, many steel targets made of 1/2" steel. Never seen a round penetrate one. If I'm not mistaking a most of the armor on an Iowa Class battleship is 12-14" thick and it's designed to stop 1 ton projectiles. FWIW, 1 inch thick glass will stop a .223 round shot from 25 yards.
Covfireman Offline
#70 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
When someone tells you something you didn't know was possible, do you always call them a liars ?
Maybe you are just too stupid to know what is really possible.


I'll admit it I don't know everything that's possible . I do know that a .223 bullet can't have the mass needed to penetrate a 8 inch piece of steel . It doesn't matter on the bullet specs if it was depleted uranium the bullet can't maintain the energy to penetrate 2 inches of steel . 8 inches is asinine at best or a bald face liar . I'm not Einstein but he's did find the formula that give you the answer.

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#71 Posted:
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Unless it's THE Magic Bullet!


DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
FWIW, 1 inch thick glass will stop a .223 round shot from 25 yards.



Sounds like transparent aluminum... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
I'll admit it I don't know everything that's possible . I do know that a .223 bullet can't have the mass needed to penetrate a 8 inch piece of steel . It doesn't matter on the bullet specs if it was depleted uranium the bullet can't maintain the energy to penetrate 2 inches of steel . 8 inches is asinine at best or a bald face liar . I'm not Einstein but he's did find the formula that give you the answer.


As a point of science, a .223 bullet is fully capable of penetrating 8” thick steel, and has plenty of mass to do so. However, propelled from a conventional gun it would lack the required velocity.

I suppose if you shot the bullet from space towards the sun, allowing for gravitational acceleration, it would gain the required velocity. But you would need really, really good aim......
DrafterX Offline
#74 Posted:
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Let's see the math... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#75 Posted:
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5+6=7

I was never good with math. That's why I went into engineering....
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
Sounds like transparent aluminum... Mellow

You mean corundum?
tailgater Offline
#77 Posted:
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Tonygraz just doesn't know what a full 8" looks like in front of him.


BEHIND him is another story...


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Brewha wrote:
As a point of science, a .223 bullet is fully capable of penetrating 8” thick steel in a molten state, and has plenty of mass to do so. However, propelled from a conventional gun it would lack the required velocity.

I suppose if you shot the bullet from space towards the sun, allowing for gravitational acceleration, it would gain the required velocity. But you would need really, really good aim......




Fixed it for you.....

Does I suppose carry the same weight as I'd guess....I'm guessing it does ( no weight @ all )
Brewha Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
Fixed it for you.....

Does I suppose carry the same weight as I'd guess....I'm guessing it does ( no weight @ all )

It depends on the subject and whom is speaking. Based on your comment a have a further supposition:
Physics is not required to get a GED.
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tailgater wrote:
Tonygraz just doesn't know what a full 8" looks like in front of him.


BEHIND him is another story...




One could wonder how you thought of that ?
tailgater Offline
#81 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
One could wonder how you thought of that ?


Yes.
Because conversations on these boards rarely drift in that direction.

But you go on wondering.
Or is hoping more accurate?
Covfireman Offline
#82 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
As a point of science, a .223 bullet is fully capable of penetrating 8” thick steel, and has plenty of mass to do so. However, propelled from a conventional gun it would lack the required velocity.

I suppose if you shot the bullet from space towards the sun, allowing for gravitational acceleration, it would gain the required velocity. But you would need really, really good aim......



By the the time you get it to accelerate to the required velocity friction will cause it to decrease in mass .



I see tony has accelerated his lying elsewhere.
victor809 Offline
#83 Posted:
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Cov... That was my first thought... But he specified in space. In theory he would get continal acceleration under those conditions, and very little friction due to the vacuum...
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#84 Posted:
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Tail... I'd agree with you, but you see it from some more than others. I have to say I find it funny when it is used so frequently by those who claim to not want to know what goes on in a bedroom of two men...
MACS Offline
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victor809 wrote:
Tail... I'd agree with you, but you see it from some more than others. I have to say I find it funny when it is used so frequently by those who claim to not want to know what goes on in a bedroom of two men...


I am smart enough to know what goes on... I just don't ever want to see it. Starfish
Brewha Offline
#86 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
By the the time you get it to accelerate to the required velocity friction will cause it to decrease in mass .



I see tony has accelerated his lying elsewhere.

The point is that with sufficient velocity a grain of sand would penetrate the plate - mass being only one of the variables.

I mean a blade of straw can pierce a telephone pole in a tornado.

It's interesting though. At what speed does air friction begin to degrade the bullet vs. the speed required to penetrate the steel. I think it would work in the atmosphere - without resorting to a Lorentz transformation.....
DrafterX Offline
#87 Posted:
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ever wonder where chikens go during tornadoes..?? Huh
Jnorman Offline
#88 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
ever wonder where chikens go during tornadoes..?? Huh



Well, if they are cooked, they would go in my bellyBigGrin
tonygraz Offline
#89 Posted:
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Popeye saves them.
Covfireman Offline
#90 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
The point is that with sufficient velocity a grain of sand would penetrate the plate - mass being only one of the variables.

I mean a blade of straw can pierce a telephone pole in a tornado.

It's interesting though. At what speed does air friction begin to degrade the bullet vs. the speed required to penetrate the steel. I think it would work in the atmosphere - without resorting to a Lorentz transformation.....



Actually the real point was that tonygraz is a liar and what he lied about is physically impossible.
DrafterX Offline
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But he saw it happen... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#92 Posted:
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No he didn't.
DrafterX Offline
#93 Posted:
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That's what he said... Mellow
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Speyside wrote:
That was what I found with a quick read. I do not by any means think the issue is that simple. But I did want to clearly differentiate between fetus and baby. This is where legal rights change greatly under present laws if I understood what I read.

From a moral viewpoint it becomes much simpler for me. Once the fetus is viable it should be protected.

I think your attempt to clearly differentiate was unsuccessful.

"When a baby in utero (fetus) becomes viable" is an ever changing target in modern medicine

So you are suggesting that, in your viewpoint, baby murder vs fetus termination is a floating standard dependent upon technology? That seems pretty shaky bud.
Covfireman Offline
#95 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
No he didn't.


There's the truth he didn't see it.
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tonygraz wrote:
All I saw was the steel, don't know if the bullet came out pristine tho. I still remember the AR15 that some clown used a hand reload in, despite the warnings not to.


it must have been very, very mild steel for a 223 to go through it.

I'd have to actually see that first hand to believe it.

I'm dubious a 223 would fully penetrate 8" of aluminum.
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DrafterX wrote:
ever wonder where chikens go during tornadoes..?? Huh

The other side of the road?
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Brewha wrote:
You mean corundum?
or platimum?
tamapatom Offline
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Or not.
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Tom?

TOM?
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