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Why is gun registration a bad thing?
Speyside Offline
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I do not see it as such, but I am interested in well thought out opinions as to why it is. Perhaps I am wrong.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Yeah, it can't be bad. History much?
tailgater Offline
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One could ask the opposite: Why is it a good thing?

A reasonable person would accept the fact that criminals will not register their guns.
If this is true, then all we're doing is creating a database on law abiding citizens.
Which begs the question: towards what end?


I do not own a gun so none of this would affect me.

I just find the groundswell of support towards additional gun regulations is an emotional knee jerk reaction, which is all the more reason to take a step back, breathe deep, and count to 10 before anything is acted upon.

ZRX1200 Offline
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What happened in NY?
Buckwheat Offline
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tailgater wrote:
One could ask the opposite: Why is it a good thing?

A reasonable person would accept the fact that criminals will not register their guns.
If this is true, then all we're doing is creating a database on law abiding citizens.
Which begs the question: towards what end?


I do not own a gun so none of this would affect me.

I just find the groundswell of support towards additional gun regulations is an emotional knee jerk reaction, which is all the more reason to take a step back, breathe deep, and count to 10 before anything is acted upon.



There is already several government databases of law abiding citizens.
1. Social Security # (can't get most jobs without one)
2. IRS
3. DMV/Driver Licenses
4. Voter Registration

I don't support the registration of firearms because it would just create more bureaucracy in an already bureaucratic system. It would also be worthless in preventing crimes. fog
cacman Offline
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The police can't even track down their own stolen firearms.

Wonder if all the Fast & Furious guns where registered, and what good that registration did?
TMCTLT Offline
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#1....You'll find ALL the answers you need in #2....#3 and #5!!!
Mikekoz13 Offline
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TMCTLT wrote:
#1....You'll find ALL the answers you need in #2....#3 and #5!!!



+1
ZRX1200 Offline
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/my-police-confiscate-legally-registered-and-possessed-handguns-because-of-motorcycle-club-membership/


http://therighttobear.com/surprise-new-york-state-has-begun-gun-confiscation-video/


http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/current-events/does-gun-registration-ulitmately-lead-to-to-confiscation


http://www.truthandaction.org/connecticut-gun-confiscation-letters-now-confirmed-by-fox/
tonygraz Offline
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When you buy a gun, there is paperwork. When you sell or transfer a gun you need to fill out a transfer form. At least that's the way it is here. So why isn't there a database already ?
teedubbya Offline
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That's not how it is here. There is a bill of sale, like there is when you buy your walmart underwear. But it's not compiled anywhere.

If I am an evil dictator and somehow get control the first thing I am going to do is get the list of gun owners and take them out to get rid of the armed resistance. assuming addresses are in there the gps coordinates should make it a fairly efficient process.


none of mine are on the grid or any lists.

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tonygraz wrote:
When you buy a gun, there is paperwork. When you sell or transfer a gun you need to fill out a transfer form. At least that's the way it is here. So why isn't there a database already ?


Because some states are still free
teedubbya Offline
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If I can help it none of mine will ever be on a list. They already got my sudafed on one LOL
teedubbya Offline
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What purpose would such a list serve anyway? Maybe my radar detector should be listed with the government as well so when they drive by with their plate reading cars they can know I'm trying to avoid them. Maybe bible sales should be next?
Speyside Offline
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Z thanks for the links, now I see why not.
tonygraz Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
What purpose would such a list serve anyway? Maybe my radar detector should be listed with the government as well so when they drive by with their plate reading cars they can know I'm trying to avoid them. Maybe bible sales should be next?


All a part of big brother watching. If the Feds don't know something about you, they could always ask google.
tonygraz Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
What purpose would such a list serve anyway? Maybe my radar detector should be listed with the government as well so when they drive by with their plate reading cars they can know I'm trying to avoid them. Maybe bible sales should be next?


All a part of big brother watching. If the Feds don't know something about you, they could always ask google.
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teedubbya wrote:
If I can help it none of mine will ever be on a list. They already got my sudafed on one LOL



Right?
ZRX1200 Offline
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https://www.google.com/search?q=how+did+Tonygraz+get+to+be+such+a+troll%3F&oq=how+did+Tonygraz+get+to+be+such+a+troll
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I believe he got be a troll by being dropped on his head as a child . The good thing is he's not slow or fast he's just half fast.
99cobra2881 Offline
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Registration has always been the first step towards confiscation.

Worked good for Nazis in Germany, not so well for the Jews in Germany.
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teedubbya wrote:
What purpose would such a list serve anyway? Maybe my radar detector should be listed with the government as well so when they drive by with their plate reading cars they can know I'm trying to avoid them. Maybe bible sales should be next?


i heard that those kinds of lists have magical powers and save children Think

you dont want to kill children do you?
teedubbya Offline
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The rainbow unicorn lies
DrafterX Offline
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that Bassard..!! Mad
tonygraz Offline
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99cobra2881 wrote:
Registration has always been the first step towards confiscation.

Worked good for Nazis in Germany, not so well for the Jews in Germany.



There was no confiscation of guns in Germany by the Nazis. That is a Fox/NRA lie that the simple minded have bought hook. line and sinker. Registration was passed in 1928 before Hitler came to power.
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the wiki seems to disagree

Quote:
On November 11, 1938 (the day after Kristallnacht) the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, effectively depriving all Jews living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.[7]

Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[5]
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They used the Jew's guns to attack Pearl Harbor... Mellow
VaMtnMan Offline
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I guess the Holocaust was also a lie made up by Fox News and the NRA.
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VaMtnMan wrote:
I guess the Holocaust was also a lie made up by Fox News and the NRA.


Don't forget D-Day.

The D stands for democrat.


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I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.
tonygraz Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
the wiki seems to disagree



By the time of that late 1938 action there were very few Jews with guns outside of concentration or work camps. More of a propaganda move than anything else. The initial 1938 Nazi act actually loosened gun restrictions from the 1928 one. When the allies disarmed the Germans at the end of the war, they were astounded at how many guns citizens had.
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tonygraz wrote:
When the allies disarmed the Germans at the end of the war, they were astounded at how many guns citizens had.



speculation... Mellow
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tonygraz wrote:
By the time of that late 1938 action there were very few Jews with guns outside of concentration or work camps. More of a propaganda move than anything else. The initial 1938 Nazi act actually loosened gun restrictions from the 1928 one. When the allies disarmed the Germans at the end of the war, they were astounded at how many guns citizens had.


Citizens or Jews?

I heard Ben Carson discussing this same thing some months ago and my question is, as was his, if it didn't matter then why do it? Seems very logical to take the only means of defense from those whom you plan on annihilating. In my opinion, any statements to the contrary of such a common sense move are speculation at best.
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when I was a boy in the early to mid 60's, my father (a liberal of that era) was showing me a gun of some kind that he had picked up in Germany while in the Army during WWII. It had belonged to a dead German soldier and was inoperable (correct my term but maybe had a missing/broken firing pin? I don't recall what he called the part). It seemed very cool to me on many levels, and was a surprise because I was unaware of its existence.

He showed it to me and wanted me to know where he kept it. While putting it away, he said that the Police Department of our city, a well off suburb of Boston, had asked for people who had guns in their homes to come down to the station to register them, just so there could be a record for whatever reason they cited.

But this liberal man, as honest and law abiding a person as I have ever known, told me to never give up that info. He said if we did, then the police/gov't would have no problem coming around to collect everyone's guns and there may be a time in the future that we may not be as comfortable with that particular police/gov't. Yes, even his broken German pistol, just on principle.

He wasn't necessarily making a statement about the 2nd amendment, and it wasn't because he feared either party specifically. He said it could be the opposing side going bad or our side getting too powerful, which he also warned against. Benevolent dictators are still dictators, and that we could not support in America.

Basically, he felt it was too much power for even the side of his choice to have. And WWII was barely 20 years from having ended. And his parents left a country that targeted Jews even before the first World War...history.
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frankj1 wrote:
when I was a boy in the early to mid 60's, my father (a liberal of that era) was showing me a gun of some kind that he had picked up in Germany while in the Army during WWII. It had belonged to a dead German soldier and was inoperable (correct my term but maybe had a missing/broken firing pin? I don't recall what he called the part). It seemed very cool to me on many levels, and was a surprise because I was unaware of its existence.

He showed it to me and wanted me to know where he kept it. While putting it away, he said that the Police Department of our city, a well off suburb of Boston, had asked for people who had guns in their homes to come down to the station to register them, just so there could be a record for whatever reason they cited.

But this liberal man, as honest and law abiding a person as I have ever known, told me to never give up that info. He said if we did, then the police/gov't would have no problem coming around to collect everyone's guns and there may be a time in the future that we may not be as comfortable with that particular police/gov't. Yes, even his broken German pistol, just on principle.

He wasn't necessarily making a statement about the 2nd amendment, and it wasn't because he feared either party specifically. He said it could be the opposing side going bad or our side getting too powerful, which he also warned against. Benevolent dictators are still dictators, and that we could not support in America.

Basically, he felt it was too much power for even the side of his choice to have. And WWII was barely 20 years from having ended. And his parents left a country that targeted Jews even before the first World War...history.


Dem or repub it seems like your father was not lacking for common sense (as many of us are either out of ignorance or being blinded by partisanship)

My grandfather (an old school dem - not the obama type) gave me similar wisdom.
tonygraz Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
Citizens or Jews?

I heard Ben Carson discussing this same thing some months ago and my question is, as was his, if it didn't matter then why do it? Seems very logical to take the only means of defense from those whom you plan on annihilating. In my opinion, any statements to the contrary of such a common sense move are speculation at best.



The history is not well known, but unless you buy Pyramid brand bread, I wouldn't count on the Carson view of history.
A better question would be why redo the law and make it less restrictive in 1938 and then later in 1938 make it more restrictive but just Jewish specific ?
teedubbya Offline
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Why do you want the registered? For what purpose? To what end? Have yet to hear that.

As for the German gun laws so far I see nothing that remotely holds water.
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tonygraz wrote:

A better question would be why redo the law and make it less restrictive in 1938 and then later in 1938 make it more restrictive but just Jewish specific ?


the obvious answer to that question may be the obvious answer
tonygraz Offline
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Or not.
tailgater Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
Or not.


He meant obvious to someone with adult reasoning and at least a modicum of intelligence.

Next time raise your hand before answering.



Speyside Offline
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TW, I do not want expanded gun registration. I just did not see the problem with it and was looking for additional insight into it. Z's links were all I needed to see what I was missing. Though others POV was helpful also.
teedubbya Offline
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I wasn't talking to YOU.
Speyside Offline
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Glad you cleared that up.
teedubbya Offline
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LOL
teedubbya Offline
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I still don't understand which problem a registry would solve and that keeps getting ignored.
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teedubbya wrote:
I still don't understand which problem a registry would solve and that keeps getting ignored.



As you and I both know it serves no lawful purpose except to create more bureaucracy. But, it's an excellent talking point for the idiots to use when the try to paint the NRA as evil and out of touch for opposing it.
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The registry would let the gubment know where all the guns are so they can go get them... Mellow
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
I still don't understand which problem a registry would solve and that keeps getting ignored.


What are you hiding?ram27bat
tonygraz Offline
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It could make it easy for law enforcement to track a gun used in a crime to the last legal owner.
teedubbya Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
It could make it easy for law enforcement to track a gun used in a crime to the last legal owner.



Which would prevent nothing just possibly help punish? How often is this an issue? And if useful, would anyone intent on committing a crime make sure their gun is properly registered? What practical effect would this database have on anything vs what is the downside/risk?





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