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riverdog Offline
#51 Posted:
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Jeeesus H. Christ!!! I've got such a headache. And odds are it's gonna get worse over the next 8 months.
Brewha Offline
#52 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
I find it comical that a S.C. Justice like Scalia, committed to following very closely to the Constitution of the U.S. is considered "ultra right wing."

Since when is following the Constitution "far right?" The U.S. Constitution should be considered the central starting point of the conversation.

It just shows how the country has veered left and how extreme, far progressively left the democrat party has gone- off the rails.

Pitiful

Not talking

I suppose his homophobic comments and unfortunately racist statements are in line with the consitution of the founding fathers - in the narrowest possible view.

So maybe your right - he could have been just common right wing.
Rsmith956 Offline
#53 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
"GOP Senate Leader Mitch McConnell said the Supreme Court vacancy should not be filled until there is a new president, the Associated Press reported."

IDIOT!


pretty much the same thing Schumer said in 2007... Funny how they change their tune when the tables are turned...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/14/sen-schumer-senate-can-block-scotus-nominees-for-18-months/
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#54 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I suppose his homophobic comments and unfortunately racist statements are in line with the consitution of the founding fathers - in the narrowest possible view.

So maybe your right - he could have been just common right wing.



Scalia was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace that bench.

He points out that because of their color, a student is allowed to attend a college that they would normally not make the cut and then they struggle with grades, if not just outright drop out. So he suggests that maybe a college that would be easier to get into, would be a better fit as they would not struggle as much.

Is that racist, or just an astute observation?

To you it is racist, but then to a libby dem, race first and always.

And the S.C. ignored the will of the people...even Cali voted 3 times to not consider marriage between the same sex a marriage.

And guess what? 70% of blacks voted to keep marriage traditional. some 60% of latinos.

So go embrace the LGBT on your own dime and stop foisting it on the rest of us.

Foister!
frankj1 Offline
#55 Posted:
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Foistah!
Brewha Offline
#56 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
Scalia was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace that bench.

He points out that because of their color, a student is allowed to attend a college that they would normally not make the cut and then they struggle with grades, if not just outright drop out. So he suggests that maybe a college that would be easier to get into, would be a better fit as they would not struggle as much.

Is that racist, or just an astute observation?

To you it is racist, but then to a libby dem, race first and always.

And the S.C. ignored the will of the people...even Cali voted 3 times to not consider marriage between the same sex a marriage.

And guess what? 70% of blacks voted to keep marriage traditional. some 60% of latinos.

So go embrace the LGBT on your own dime and stop foisting it on the rest of us.

Foister!

No, Scalia was single minded and narrow visioned. He held that the letter of law was more important than justice.

And when was justice ever as simple as a rule?

And why would you not embrace LGBT?
Does your singular vision of morality dictate it?
Did your god tell you not to?

BTW, the SC is supposed to provide justice, not the will of the people.
As sometimes the people are bigoted....
Brewha Offline
#57 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
Foistah!

Groupie....
ZRX1200 Offline
#58 Posted:
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At that level the letter should always be more important except in an incredibly rare instance.
frankj1 Offline
#59 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Groupie....

Goiter?
teddyballgame Offline
#60 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
No, Scalia was single minded and narrow visioned. He held that the letter of law was more important than justice.

And when was justice ever as simple as a rule?

And why would you not embrace LGBT?
Does your singular vision of morality dictate it?
Did your god tell you not to?

BTW, the SC is supposed to provide justice, not the will of the people.
As sometimes the people are bigoted....



Did the SC provide justice in the Dred Scott case? How about Plessy vs. Ferguson? How about FDR's baby, the Korematsu case?

The law was bastardized in those cases by these "supreme intellects."
Where was your justice?
So many times the S.C. is bigoted- how can that be? The peon civilians are the racists.

I don't care what the gay community does, or the trans, or the bi-s.
But, when that community pushes their agenda and forces everyone to accept it as the new normal, or be called homophobes or that we are Bible clingers, then I have an issue. Trying to pass off transgender/transexuals/ transwhatevers as normal and acceptable and "you better embrace it or else" is reCOCKulous.

And as a side note, are Bi-sexual people put upon in society-when did that happen?

Back to original intent of the judicial system. Justice is supposed to be blind to the parties and follow the law and pass judgements based on the law. We now have the judiciary legislating from the bench.

How is THAT tolerable?

Following the law is what judges are supposed to do. It may not give out the justice that one wants, but when you have judges individually deciding what they think is justice, that is a recipe for lawlessness.
tonygraz Offline
#61 Posted:
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And he's off with another right wing racist anti court rant. He just may be Teddy C.
sangrientopouertorican Offline
#62 Posted:
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Maybe he tapped out banging Ruth Batty Ginsu.

Or smoked too much of water Kennedy hits.
victor809 Offline
#63 Posted:
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Anyone who thinks the supreme Court is supposed to follow the will of the people has no understanding of the purpose of the supreme Court.

If we just wanted our country to follow the will of the majority at all times, supreme Court justices would be elected, not appointed, and they would have to run for reelection.
tonygraz Offline
#64 Posted:
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^ +1
rfenst Offline
#65 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Anyone who thinks the supreme Court is supposed to follow the will of the people has no understanding of the purpose of the supreme Court.

If we just wanted our country to follow the will of the majority at all times, supreme Court justices would be elected, not appointed, and they would have to run for reelection.


+1
Speyside Offline
#66 Posted:
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+1
DrafterX Offline
#67 Posted:
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What Difference does it Make..!! Mad
Buckwheat Offline
#68 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Jokes aside... we do not want the judiciary branch running things. Period.

Seems to me they almost do already... balance in the supreme court is best.


+1

I think Mitch is a bad joke; and he is one of my senators. We not only need balance in the Court but also the checks and balances in the rest of the government. We for too long have had a "House divided against its self" in our government because our politicians have been more concerned with keeping or getting more personal power then effective governance. I think Scalia would not be in favor of waiting till after the election. Because, for all of his faults, I think he did believe in the letter of the constitution and the rule of law. fog
Brewha Offline
#69 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
At that level the letter should always be more important except in an incredibly rare instance.

I disagree - It is the job of the Justices to interpret the law, with the goal of providing justice as the law is intended to provide. So, the crux of the biscuit is preserving the intent of the law, not necessarily the written letter.

Let’s remember that justice and the law are different things….
DrafterX Offline
#70 Posted:
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The court should be made up of a non-biased third party... to be fair and stuff... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#71 Posted:
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The President shouldn't be able to influence their decisions... Not talking
Brewha Offline
#72 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
Did the SC provide justice in the Dred Scott case? How about Plessy vs. Ferguson? How about FDR's baby, the Korematsu case?

The law was bastardized in those cases by these "supreme intellects."
Where was your justice?
So many times the S.C. is bigoted- how can that be? The peon civilians are the racists.

I don't care what the gay community does, or the trans, or the bi-s.
But, when that community pushes their agenda and forces everyone to accept it as the new normal, or be called homophobes or that we are Bible clingers, then I have an issue. Trying to pass off transgender/transexuals/ transwhatevers as normal and acceptable and "you better embrace it or else" is reCOCKulous.

And as a side note, are Bi-sexual people put upon in society-when did that happen?

Back to original intent of the judicial system. Justice is supposed to be blind to the parties and follow the law and pass judgements based on the law. We now have the judiciary legislating from the bench.

How is THAT tolerable?

Following the law is what judges are supposed to do. It may not give out the justice that one wants, but when you have judges individually deciding what they think is justice, that is a recipe for lawlessness.

Of course I never suggested that the justices were fully successful. They are after all humans that carry the values of their time and culture – so it goes.

If laws did not require interpretation, we would have little need of judges – but they do require interpretation. That’s because laws are never perfectly written or account for all circumstances – or always have agreement between them. It is a gross oversimplification to believe that justice is always served by the letter of the law. A true worm’s eye view of things….

And I get it the LBGT folks make you uncomfortable.
Now get over it.
Brewha Offline
#73 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
The court should be made up of a non-biased third party... to be fair and stuff... Mellow

It should be a moderate – always IMO

Of course the GOP has gone on recorded that they will not approve anyone the Obama submits - Because they are wieners that won’t do their job.
gummy jones Offline
#74 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
The court should be made up of a non-biased third party... to be fair and stuff... Mellow


yes, i accept your nomination
Buckwheat Offline
#75 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I disagree - It is the job of the Justices to interpret the law, with the goal of providing justice as the law in intended to provide. So, the crux of the biscuit is preserving the intent of the law, not necessarily the written letter.

Let’s remember that justice and the law are different things….


And frequently mutually exclusive. If you want justice go to church and pray to God to give you justice. fog
dstieger Offline
#76 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I think Scalia did his country a great service - by kicking off. ........
......

This is great news!



I disagree with a great deal of what you post, but I generally support your right to hold and state your opinions. I suppose that I still do, but after that abhorrent post, that support is waning. Sad and ugly, Brew.

DrafterX Offline
#77 Posted:
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He was just kiddin... Mellow
teddyballgame Offline
#78 Posted:
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...riiiiight

It was a pathetic comment and a telling one, given the one who posted it.
frankj1 Offline
#79 Posted:
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Buckwheat wrote:
+1

I think Mitch is a bad joke; and he is one of my senators. We not only need balance in the Court but also the checks and balances in the rest of the government. We for too long have had a "House divided against its self" in our government because our politicians have been more concerned with keeping or getting more personal power then effective governance. I think Scalia would not be in favor of waiting till after the election. Because, for all of his faults, I think he did believe in the letter of the constitution and the rule of law. fog

sure wish I had written that, Julian.
DrafterX Offline
#80 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I think Scalia would not be in favor of waiting till after the election. Because, for all of his faults, I think he did believe in the letter of the constitution and the rule of law. fog



Mellow
teddyballgame Offline
#81 Posted:
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The Constitution says NOTHING about the Senate being required to act on or vote on a nomination.

Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution provides that the president "shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ... judges of the Supreme Court."



Scalia had an interview a few years back in where he said something to the effect that he would not want a successor to him to be a liberal judge that would undo all he had done while on the bench. So I think that Scalia would not welcome the impending lefty hacks that Obama will try and ram through to pack the courts with liberal activist judges.

But we don't know either way, because Scalia is not here to answer that exact question. The point is moot, we can't speak for the man.
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#82 Posted:
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This is fun...
Ok... By your claims, Scalia is a constitutionalist. Also, by your claim, the Constitution provides the president the power to appoint the supreme Court justices... Without Senate approval even...(I'm just following your exact statements)

But despite you believing these two things, you believe that scalia would support some sort of end run around the Constitution because it could prevent him from being replaced by "lefty hacks" ... Who you don't believe would follow the Constitution.

And you stated all of this without any intended irony.

....
DrafterX Offline
#83 Posted:
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I heard he was suffocated with a pillow... Mellow
jjanecka Offline
#84 Posted:
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Who knows maybe out of a Random act of kindness or complete foolishness Obama will appoint the most conservative, constitutionalist, states-rights judge this nation has ever seen.
tonygraz Offline
#85 Posted:
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I seem to remember that a while back Scalia said he wanted a liberal to be next on the court and suggested Kagan. He got his wish.
Brewha Offline
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dstieger wrote:
I disagree with a great deal of what you post, but I generally support your right to hold and state your opinions. I suppose that I still do, but after that abhorrent post, that support is waning. Sad and ugly, Brew.


First off I was kidding.
Second, I wrote that after reading some of Teddy's rantings - so just like the rest of us, my judgment and sensibility were temporarily impaired.
Thirdly, Sorry my crass humor offended your delicate sensibilities.
And lastly, Thank you dstieger, for your ongoing support and patronage. It is hard to put a value on it.
But I'll try....
teddyballgame Offline
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So you are going to blame your weak attempt at humor on me eh?

Typical liberal.

Your crass humor is really just crass anyway. You and tony are about the least funny people around...but not in your minds.
teddyballgame Offline
#88 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
This is fun...
Ok... By your claims, Scalia is a constitutionalist. Also, by your claim, the Constitution provides the president the power to appoint the supreme Court justices... Without Senate approval even...(I'm just following your exact statements)

But despite you believing these two things, you believe that scalia would support some sort of end run around the Constitution because it could prevent him from being replaced by "lefty hacks" ... Who you don't believe would follow the Constitution.

And you stated all of this without any intended irony.

....



Yes he was a Constitutionalist and yes the Constitution provides that the Pres. nominates S.C. Justices.
(lets keep up with the actual Constitution, Maynard)

And there is no "end run" around the Constitution as, again according to the actual written text in the Constitution, there
is nothing that states the Senate need act on a nominee. It is up to the Senate.

And it is not like I believe "lefty hack" justices don't follow the Constitution, they actually look for ways to interpret the Constitution to bastardize its meaning to push their agendas.

...and you followed along without any cliffs notes.

Applause
Brewha Offline
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teddyballgame wrote:
So you are going to blame your weak attempt at humor on me eh?

Typical liberal.

Your crass humor is really just crass anyway. You and tony are about the least funny people around...but not in your minds.

Well, you have to be good for something.....

Wait, I can foretell your next thought; its "irony can be pretty ironic..."
tonygraz Offline
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Hey, we can't all come up with the laughable chit T-ball comes up with.
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Brewha wrote:
First off I was kidding.
Second, I wrote that after reading some of Teddy's rantings - so just like the rest of us, my judgment and sensibility were temporarily impaired.
Thirdly, Sorry my crass humor offended your delicate sensibilities.
And lastly, Thank you dstieger, for your ongoing support and patronage. It is hard to put a value on it.
But I'll try....



Your second point about TBG's rantings? Pure BS.
Teddy had one post prior to you laughing at the death of Scalia. And that post was hardly ranting.
Go back and look at the thread. Unfortunate for you we've got that pesky thing known as written proof.

This denial makes your post somehow more vile.
And your poor excuse is such a typical liberal reaction.

And I was going to applaud your superb use of irony in your first post here.






Brewha Offline
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tailgater wrote:
Your second point about TBG's rantings? Pure BS.
Teddy had one post prior to you laughing at the death of Scalia. And that post was hardly ranting.
Go back and look at the thread. Unfortunate for you we've got that pesky thing known as written proof.

This denial makes your post somehow more vile.
And your poor excuse is such a typical liberal reaction.

And I was going to applaud your superb use of irony in your first post here.

So what if it is pure BS? It sounded plausible – and that’s all it takes in the political forum.
Or it could be that I was reading other threads that TBG wrote – yeah, that’s it. That’s the ticket. I was, uh, reading other stuff that he wrote and it threw me off, made me all light headed and stuff. I could have been hurt…..That guy is dangerous. We should regulate that stuff he writes. It’s like toxic waste, or SARS, or anything Bill O’Rielly says….

Huh, that rhymes…
tonygraz Offline
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As if right wingers were polite angels that respected anyone left of center.
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Brewha wrote:
First off I was kidding.
Second, I wrote that after reading some of Teddy's rantings - so just like the rest of us, my judgment and sensibility were temporarily impaired.
Thirdly, Sorry my crass humor offended your delicate sensibilities.
And lastly, Thank you dstieger, for your ongoing support and patronage. It is hard to put a value on it.
But I'll try....


dude i really didnt/dont think you were joking
we all have our differences but that comment was unbecoming considering what i know of you
and id like to think it was a comment of passion that isnt reflective of your character

DrafterX Offline
#95 Posted:
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Brewha wouldn't hurt a fly... unless it bit him or somethin.. then I guess he'd prolly smash it... Think
teedubbya Offline
#96 Posted:
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Go to Oprah... Go to Oprah...

bunch of girls. get over it.
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted:
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What the hell is that..?? 'Go to Oprah'..?? Huh
gummy jones Offline
#98 Posted:
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shes skinny again i think

maybe tw wants us to get some weight loss tips?
teedubbya Offline
#99 Posted:
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It's what they chant on the Springer show when things get too serious..... then they get back to ripping shirts off and bitch slapping and stuff
DrafterX Offline
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it's all staged.... or so I heard... Mellow
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