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GD320 Offline
#1 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 1:46 PM EST
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Hate voting in the primary as you have to declare party, which is wrong.
BUT, I felt compelled to vote against the narcissistic liar..........
I have done my civic duty.Brick wall
rfenst Offline
#2 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 1:54 PM EST
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GD320 wrote:
Hate voting in the primary as you have to declare party, which is wrong.
BUT, I felt compelled to vote against the narcissistic liar..........
I have done my civic duty.Brick wall


It was my pleasure to vote against him! Too bad it probably won't make any difference who the R candidate will be...
dstieger Offline
#3 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:02 PM EST
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GD320 wrote:
Hate voting in the primary as you have to declare party, which is wrong.
BUT, I felt compelled to vote against the narcissistic liar..........
I have done my civic duty.Brick wall


???? Which candidate does that NOT describe?
tonygraz Offline
#4 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:08 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
???? Which candidate does that NOT describe?


Bernie ?
gummy jones Offline
#5 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:14 PM EST
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good work fellas
BuckyB93 Offline
#6 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:19 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
???? Which candidate does that NOT describe?


My thoughts exactly...

It is IL so I guess he was able to vote multiple times, one vote against each one.
GD320 Offline
#7 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:25 PM EST
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Would prefer Kasich....don't think he can get the nomination.
From my perspective Kasich and Bernie are the only candidate that don't fit my description.
Stop Trump......A vote for Trump is a vote for either anarchy or Hilary, not sure which is better
GD320 Offline
#8 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:27 PM EST
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By the way....multiple votes are only allowed north of I80 in the state of Chicago.
bgz Offline
#9 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 2:30 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Bernie ?


Note to self, tony g is a commie.
mikey1597 Offline
#10 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 3:14 PM EST
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GD320 wrote:
Hate voting in the primary as you have to declare party, which is wrong.
BUT, I felt compelled to vote against the narcissistic liar..........
I have done my civic duty.Brick wall



obama is running again?
mikey1597 Offline
#11 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 3:16 PM EST
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Applause Applause Applause Pat Paulsen for PresidentApplause Applause Applause
MACS Offline
#12 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 4:07 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
???? Which candidate does that NOT describe?


My first thought, as well.
teddyballgame Offline
#13 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 4:10 PM EST
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GD320 wrote:
Would prefer Kasich....don't think he can get the nomination.
From my perspective Kasich and Bernie are the only candidate that don't fit my description.
Stop Trump......A vote for Trump is a vote for either anarchy or Hilary, not sure which is better



Kasich is a fool. It is mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination, but that won't stop him.
Same with Rubio.

Egos have to be very large to run for prez and then even larger to stay in, just to mess things up.

And why the next debate at Fox even allows Rubio and Kasich to even be on the stage is ridiculous. These 2 are just hoping agains hope for an 'end around'.

All they have succeeded in doing is ticking off the Republican base.
tonygraz Offline
#14 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 4:18 PM EST
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T-ball, the republican base doesn't want Trump or Cruz. Messing things up will give them the chance to pick someone else like Rubio, Kasich or perhaps even Romney.
victor809 Offline
#15 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 5:14 PM EST
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Is tball still pretending he's Republican?
teddyballgame Offline
#16 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 7:28 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
T-ball, the republican base doesn't want Trump or Cruz. Messing things up will give them the chance to pick someone else like Rubio, Kasich or perhaps even Romney.



Yes, I know all this- thank you for pointing out the obvious.

And If the Repubs go to a brokered convention and then choose somebody else who does not have the most delegates, there is going to be hell to pay for the establishment.

Kasich is an ass and WANTS this because there is no way he will get a chance any other way. He has all of 63 delegates.

Rubio just lost in Florida, so we will see what this bungling man does now that he has been embarrassed.

edit: He just dropped out of the race.
tailgater Offline
#17 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 8:42 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Bernie ?


True dat.
He's a socialist, and doesn't lie about it.

I give the Bernster a lot of credit for his integrity.
I just abhor his politics.
Brewha Offline
#18 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 9:11 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
True dat.
He's a socialist, and doesn't lie about it.

I give the Bernster a lot of credit for his integrity.
I just abhor his politics.


Would you prefer Trumps fascism?
tonygraz Offline
#19 Posted: Tue, Mar 15 2016, 9:12 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Note to self, tony g is a commie.


PLayng the trump card solitaire ?
bgz Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:48 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
PLayng the trump card solitaire ?


I judge not a politician by his truths, but by his lies.

I'm pretty sure Trump is lying about being religious.

I'm also pretty sure Sanders is not telling the whole truth about how far left he goes... pretty sure he's a commie.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that the lesser of all evils is Trump and Hillary (don't get me wrong, I think they're all evil).

I think I've made it clear, that I'm not a big fan of muslims, mainly because they are not a fan of me... after all, according to the words of their invisible man, I'm an infidel and should be killed where ever I am found. I'm not a big fan of anyone who wants me dead because of what I believe in (or lack there of).

So ya, I would prefer Trump... he's the only one who seems sincere about wanting to deal with the islam problem.
teedubbya Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 6:36 AM EST
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is the Islam problem sort of like the Jewish solution? The verbiage is striking.
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
is the Islam problem sort of like the Jewish solution? The verbiage is striking.

well, there's that...

might be why I develop a tic when entire groups of people are singled out.
Brewha Offline
#23 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:28 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
I judge not a politician by his truths, but by his lies.

I'm pretty sure Trump is lying about being religious.

I'm also pretty sure Sanders is not telling the whole truth about how far left he goes... pretty sure he's a commie.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that the lesser of all evils is Trump and Hillary (don't get me wrong, I think they're all evil).

I think I've made it clear, that I'm not a big fan of muslims, mainly because they are not a fan of me... after all, according to the words of their invisible man, I'm an infidel and should be killed where ever I am found. I'm not a big fan of anyone who wants me dead because of what I believe in (or lack there of).

So ya, I would prefer Trump... he's the only one who seems sincere about wanting to deal with the islam problem.

You know I just don’t buy that Islam teaches to hate and murder non-Muslims.

Sure there are crazy, hell bent people, that use their faith as justification for their actions – but that is true of many religions.
gummy jones Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:40 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You know I just don’t buy that Islam teaches to hate and murder non-Muslims.

Sure there are crazy, hell bent people, that use their faith as justification for their actions – but that is true of many religions.

the very nature of the being worshipped is vastly different

the God of the Bible loves all creation, sinners and saints alike

the god of the koran loves muslims

that dichotomy alone should help you to see a difference
but yea, read the Bible and koran and see for yourself
gummy jones Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:42 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
I judge not a politician by his truths, but by his lies.

I'm pretty sure Trump is lying about being religious.

I'm also pretty sure Sanders is not telling the whole truth about how far left he goes... pretty sure he's a commie.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that the lesser of all evils is Trump and Hillary (don't get me wrong, I think they're all evil).

I think I've made it clear, that I'm not a big fan of muslims, mainly because they are not a fan of me... after all, according to the words of their invisible man, I'm an infidel and should be killed where ever I am found. I'm not a big fan of anyone who wants me dead because of what I believe in (or lack there of).

So ya, I would prefer Trump... he's the only one who seems sincere about wanting to deal with the islam problem.


islam is the current vessel that is being used by multiculturalism

i am against the notion that every culture is different but equal as some are far inferior to our own culture of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

i think trump is a moron and, although i despise his political ideals most, would take sanders over hilary because he at least seems to have a shred of decency. if it cant be cruz i hold my nose and pull the trump lever and continue to pray for our country.
Buckwheat Offline
#26 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:56 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
well, there's that...

might be why I develop a tic when entire groups of people are singled out.


Today it's Muslims... who knows what it will be tomorrow. Once you are sliding down that slippery slope its hard to stop. That being said: Both parties are to blame for the current sad state of our Country.
Brewha Offline
#27 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:06 AM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
the very nature of the being worshipped is vastly different

the God of the Bible loves all creation, sinners and saints alike

the god of the koran loves muslims

that dichotomy alone should help you to see a difference
but yea, read the Bible and koran and see for yourself

Funny, I read that the Koran teaches that are many paths to God.

Honestly, did you actually study the religion, or is your knowledge of it hearsay? Because you can cherry pick the Bible for some ugly statements about the Christian faith – while missing the true message….
Brewha Offline
#28 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:07 AM EST
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Buckwheat wrote:
Today it's Muslims... who knows what it will be tomorrow. Once you are sliding down that slippery slope its hard to stop. That being said: Both parties are to blame for the current sad state of our Country.

I hear we are going to recycle the Russians as bad guys....
sd72 Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:17 AM EST
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I read that woman was created by removing a rib from Adam. God took the rib and put it in a centrifuge machine with cardimum and cloves. Adam said it really hurt.
But Eve was Adams second wife anyway.
teedubbya Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:20 AM EST
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Radical Islamic terrorists are killing Muslims too. I find it funny when people with a very limited knowledge of Islam interpret it the same as the radical Islamists do rather than the way the vast majority of practicing Muslims do. I guess it gives them something in common.
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:23 AM EST
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Come to think about it radical Islamic terrorists thrive on those with limited knowledge of Islam just like any other extremist cult. If you are willing to accept a radical position based on limited knowledge you are ripe for the picking.
ZRX1200 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:34 AM EST
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We never did get the fence post emoticon Trish......
teedubbya Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:37 AM EST
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fencepost only works when skirting the issue. I'm pretty much on one side of this one.

By the way..... I heard cars kill more people in the US then guns so they are thuper dangerous and stuff and something needs to be done about that. Muslims kill more Americans than both combined every year! I blame Chevy (and its no coinkadink that Michigan has a lot of muslims)



AND STUFF!
bgz Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:40 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Funny, I read that the Koran teaches that are many paths to God.

Honestly, did you actually study the religion, or is your knowledge of it hearsay? Because you can cherry pick the Bible for some ugly statements about the Christian faith – while missing the true message….


Yep, there is very nasty rhetoric in both books.

Currently Christians aren't running crusades or inquisitions at the moment, where radical Muslims are killing infidels, Christians, other Muslims, each other at a brutally efficient rate.

They don't believe in equality for all, they cut off women's clitorises (even "Moderates" do this), and if it was up to them, they would kill everyone who is not like them.

If you don't believe it, go actually read the Koran and the Hadiths. Do you know if a Muslim decides to no longer be Muslim, it is punishable by death. Furthermore, if a Muslim converts, and flees, his family could be killed as well.

Honor killings, stonings, beheadings, these are all valid according to Sharia law. A man can kill his wife, his daughters with no repercussions. If a woman is raped, there must be 4 male eye witnesses. If a woman shows to much skin or acts provocative in any way and she is raped, it is her fault. In "Islamic" countries... Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, etc... THIS IS LAW.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's happening in European nations due to Muslims.

It's already happening here, look at Dearborn Michigan where they will not stop trying to implement Sharia law.

Their goal is to conquer every nation until the entire world is Muslim, then implement Sharia everywhere... according to their book, peace cannot exist until this happens.

It's not about being racist, or intolerant, it's about stopping what pretty much equates to a blight. If they could have their way, it would set human advancement back centuries.

All Trump is saying, is he wants to temporarily halt the migration of Muslims into the US.

I haven't yet heard Trump say he wants to obliterate any specific group or anything. His rhetoric from the beginning has had an "American First" theme. You hear both sides of the political spectrum wanting to fix things here first, asking why politicians don't give a rats ass about Americans... yet someone comes in and wants to help Americans first, and they want to call him an idiot?

Someone above said something about Sanders being better than Clinton... his views aren't even socialist, their communist. Everything I've heard from him involves increasing the power of the Federal government to the point of being the designated micro-manager for the economy and all things social.
teedubbya Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 10:41 AM EST
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Dearborn - Chevy.... all I need to know
bgz Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 11:33 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Dearborn - Chevy.... all I need to know


lol, that's all you got?
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#37 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:13 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You know I just don’t buy that Islam teaches to hate and murder non-Muslims.

Sure there are crazy, hell bent people, that use their faith as justification for their actions – but that is true of many religions.


The primary goal of all mainstream religions is first and foremost is to instill fear among the populous to ensure order and control of the populous. After all, I wouldn't want to burn in hell for all eternity, would you?

The second goal of any religion is to proclaim that it is correct above all others and that it should be spread so as others could be enlightened... unfortunately many interpret this as a convert or die proposition.

Unfortunately, over the course of history religion has been used as a tool of domination and used as a reason to kill.

This guy did a talley of violent or cruel passages in the Bible and the Quran (didn't verify the accuracy, but entertaining none the less):

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

Number of violent/cruel passages:

Bible: 1321 (4.25% of all passages)
Quran: 532 (8.53% of all passages)


Here's a few notable ones:

http://quran.com/3/151
http://quran.com/4/89
http://quran.com/8/12
http://quran.com/9/5
http://quran.com/9/29
teedubbya Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:42 PM EST
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I wonder what the standard deviation on violent "cruel;" passages is since we are proving this with statistics and stuff
teedubbya Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:43 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
lol, that's all you got?




Pretty much. That said we'll never agree on this so we may as well just have fun with it.
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#40 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:44 PM EST
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well, this is already messed up cause the Bible has like 5 times as many pages and stuff... just sayin... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:47 PM EST
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I think that is what the percentages are for Mellow

its all scientifical and stuff
DrafterX Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 12:48 PM EST
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Think
bgz Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 1:03 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, this is already messed up cause the Bible has like 5 times as many pages and stuff... just sayin... Mellow


The Bible is bigger.
bgz Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 1:04 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Pretty much. That said we'll never agree on this so we may as well just have fun with it.


Probably true, arguing is entertaining though, so it's all good.
DrafterX Offline
#45 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 1:06 PM EST
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that wasn't an argument... Not talking
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#46 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 1:26 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Funny, I read that the Koran teaches that are many paths to God.

Honestly, did you actually study the religion, or is your knowledge of it hearsay? Because you can cherry pick the Bible for some ugly statements about the Christian faith – while missing the true message….


i do not purport to be an expert but it is a field of study i enjoy

id be happy to discuss line/verse within context if you would like

pm me
Brewha Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 5:26 PM EST
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gummy jones wrote:
i do not purport to be an expert but it is a field of study i enjoy

id be happy to discuss line/verse within context if you would like

pm me

That's ok GJ. Truth is I'm in no way an expert either. But I do believe the religion is being unfairly vilified.

Sure there are some evil mudderfucers out there doing the will of Allah - but other religions have had the same thing. And when people go to raise hell, they usually say God is on their side....

I just have a hard time buying into mosques all over the world teaching "Now God wants you to kill people - anyone who says the don't believe what's in OUR book. Please open you texts to the chapter on pipe bombs"

That is because I believe religions are all basically good, but sometimes pervierted by a few for their own gain.
bgz Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 5:52 PM EST
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Go read the first few chapters of the quran, it might change your mind.

It reads like the whole goal of the religion was to convert Christians and Jews into submission, and kill them if they don't submit.


So this little lovely gem didn't mean anything to you?

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
tonygraz Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 6:39 PM EST
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The bible is bigger because they had more writers.
Brewha Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, Mar 16 2016, 8:34 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Go read the first few chapters of the quran, it might change your mind.

It reads like the whole goal of the religion was to convert Christians and Jews into submission, and kill them if they don't submit.


So this little lovely gem didn't mean anything to you?

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

So where the Bible condones rape, would you think this a Christian value - believed and abided by? I don't.

And if a quater of the worlds religious people (Muslims) are tought to kill as commanded by God - why aren't that doing it?

So if the thought is that crazy people use their religion to justify their acts, I agree.
Or if the case is that religion makes people crazy - well, not so much.

I like to think most all of us are smarter than the scribbling of the goat herders.....
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