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I'm with you on the issue. That said I'm also for states rights and letting them do what they want. So in that sense... meh. I don't live there.

Oregon too. ..

just told my wife to pack up, we're moving to K.C.

Wow... I usually have to pay illegal mexican labor cash to get those sorta rates.

victor taint talkin bout love, his love is rotten to the core

Should we start a new thread about your dirty taint..??

I'll take that as a no then..

Tyranny is tyranny, whether it be done at the federal level or at the state level.

I agree with your initial sentence entirely, that an owner or business should be able to pay any wage to which the other party agrees.

He's very confused, Victor. He was a big Carson supporter and now he's gaga over Cruz - what do you expect.

Actually he is against left states using their rights.

But who is going to spit on your fast food when it ordered and delivered by a machine?

Tg... I'm not sure I'd call 15$/hr a liveable wage. Doesn't mean I want to pay my taint lickers that much... But in SF that's not anything you can live off of.

15$/hr is about 30k/yr.... That's the cost of rent, literally that's exactly what I pay for less than 500sq ft in the middle of a third world country (worse even, in 3rd world countries they sh$t in the river, not on the sidewalk)...

For another 6k a year we've considered getting an extra 100sqft and slightly fewer homeless people

Where there's a will, there's a way.

The sentiment of the OP is the ongoing sad commentary of this nation. It is the lower middle class voicing their disdain for the working poor getting anything close to an even break.

Too many Americans don't understand the history of how we came to need welfare. And never see that without levels of wage control, the government only subsidies the companies that keep the working poor in need. Too complex I suppose.

Checks and balances are needed for wages because unbridled capiatlisum leads to an extreme concentration of wealth, while more and more go hungry.

But is is so much easier to spit upon the poor. Sure it's low class, obtuse and misanthropic - But we do it.
we sure do.



Next up; fallacious arguments that minimum wages hurt the economy - squat and watch, someone's gonna float those fool ideas.....

And how many get much richer while there thanks to insider information.

When you say "poor", does that include morally bankrupt?

I also like the idea of a maximum wage.

All those who seem to agree with that statement usually set the bar at $1 more than they make

How noble of them

Right on par with being incredibly generous with someone else's money

I do like little pro sports caps though.

Royal blue?

I've noticed Texas getting crazier- now you may have hit on the cause.

It does make a ton a sence to raise the minimum wage - although many can't see it. You want more people off food stamps? Then let's stop subsidizing Walmart.

Ross Perot said "if NAFTA passes, you will hear a giant sucking sound". And brother he was right. But the buisness owners are just loving the cheap labor. It's better than our imported undocumented labor....

If you can't qualify for more than a minimum wage job, does that make you lazy? I send a lot of time is warehouses and fulfillment centers - trust me when I say that there are a lot of people without much ability. Oh, they hump boxes and build pallets, break a sweat all day - but don't ask them to think too much. They are not lazy - just disadvantaged in the market. That's why our factories love the Chinese - they can think and have to work for nothing.

The force needs to come from people refusing low wages, and there needs to be restrictions on outsourcing. That I can compromise on, NOT forcing artificial wages that do nothing. When people not earning $15/hour are making $15/hr S will hit the fan.

Wages and inflation have gutted the middle class. But the answer is not a knee jerk one like this that doesn't sole the nuisance of root cause.

But hey YMMV.

Are you sure the negatives didn't happen? Or are you just not impacted by them?

I agree that businesses don't close. Smart people don't just shutter a business because a cost of goods has gone up, they retool.

But has service level actually remained the same over the years? Or do we always hear complaints about the service industry not being really service oriented? doesn't poor service sound like a side-effect of understaffing? Do we always hear complaints about having to deal with call centers in countries which speak wtih an accent some people can't understand?

Look at how automation has increased splendidly over the decades. You don't invest the time and capital in building a robot if you can have a person do the job cheaper (total cost including cost of re-work because of sloppy labor).

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider automation to be a negative, but one of the things which spurs innovation in that field is the idea that your robot can compete with the cost of labor. So some people not being paid to do a job is the cost of advances in manufacturing technology.

Not all of this is related to minimum wages. Sometimes the market rate for a specific job simply is high enough on its own to encourage automation of that task. But it is hard to tweeze them apart.

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