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DC's Minimum Wage Increase Going Well....
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Nearly half of DC employers said they have laid off workers, reduced hours due to minimum wage hikes
By Ali Meyer Published June 07, 2016

Nearly half of Washington, D.C. employers said they have either laid off employees or reduced the hours of employees to adapt to the District of Columbia’s minimum wage hikes since 2014, according to a report from the Employment Policies Institute.

The minimum wage in the District of Columbia has increased from a $8.25 hourly rate in 2014 to the current rate of $11.50 per hour. Mayor Muriel Bowser advocated a $15 minimum wage in her State of the District address earlier this year.

“In recent months, the City Council in D.C. has considered enacting a number of new labor mandates, including a higher minimum wage, a bill that would fine employers for schedule changes, and a family leave policy funded by a tax on employers,” the report says.

The institute surveyed 100 employers in Washington, D.C. to understand how they would react to a further minimum wage hike.

“Employers affected by the proposed increase to a $15 minimum wage were asked if they had either reduced the number of employees on their staff, or reduced the hours of current employees, to adapt to recently enacted minimum wage increases,” the report says. “Nearly half of employers surveyed had already taken one of these steps—suggesting that 2014-16 minimum wage increases haven’t been absorbed through higher prices alone.”

According to the report, just over half of the businesses surveyed said they planned to raise prices in order to offset the cost of a minimum wage hike. Thirty-five percent said they would likely reduce staffing levels and 37 percent said they would reduce employees’ hours or reduce the number of hours they were open for business. Thirty-one percent of businesses said they were very likely to hire more skilled workers in the future to offset the higher wage.


Film at 11.... Sarcasm
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so paying more for a unit of work than it is worth isnt good economics?

whoda thunk it Think

hopefully the unicorns and rainbows pay the bills.
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Perhaps....but just know that the 'Employment Policies Institute' is essentially a lobby organization for McDonalds...Gots to take their 'studies' with a big grain of McSalt
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man, McDonalds has everything.... Could sure use a McRib about now... Mellow
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Switzerland rejects plan to pay every citizen at least $2,500 a month
A proposal to dramatically change social welfare policy has been soundly rejected in Switzerland.

The vast majority of Swiss voters on Sunday rejected a referendum that would have provided every citizen a guaranteed income of $2,500 Swiss francs ($2,520) after tax, regardless of their employment status or wealth.

All told, about 77% of Swiss voters were against the measure, which lost by at least 10 percentage points in all of the country's 26 districts.

The plan would have allowed those earning less than the minimum to have their pay topped up. Those out of work would have been handed the full amount. The income would have been unconditional and untaxed, and it would have replaced various welfare payments.

The Swiss government opposed the initiative, saying it would have needed to find 25 billion Swiss francs a year to pay for it. The resulting new taxes, or spending cuts, would have damaged the economy, it argued.

The Federal Council and Parliament feared that "fewer people would choose to work" if the measure had been approved.

The Swiss debate started in 2013, when a petition in favor of the initiative gathered more than the 100,000 signatures, and the idea attracted worldwide media attention leading up to the referendum on Sunday.

Switzerland is not the first country to debate the idea of basic income.

The basic income campaigners say it would boost entrepreneurship.

Finland is considering scrapping all welfare benefits and instead paying everyone $10,000 a year. A pilot program will launch early next year: Roughly 10,000 Finns will receive about 550 euros a month for two years.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/05/news/economy/switzerland-basic-income-referendum/index.html

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Minimum wage advocates will never get it. d'oh!
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dstieger wrote:
Perhaps....but just know that the 'Employment Policies Institute' is essentially a lobby organization for McDonalds...Gots to take their 'studies' with a big grain of McSalt


And also remember that the majority of groups in favor of a minimum wage hike are tied to unions who will benefit from said hike.

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somebody's got an agenda????

I certainly get that.....It would be pretty silly of a group to be in favor of a policy that would be detrimental to them

My thing is that nobody expects unions to be altruistic or seeking some sort of greater good....they have a specific constituency to look out for. It's the sneaky nature of 'institutes' like EPI that leak or publish 'studies' that try to appear 'scientific' or 'reasoned' or non-partisan, when in fact, they're anything but

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Newton's third law of physics, for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Even though this isn't physics, this law applies to the economy. If you decrease income of a business they must make changes somewhere.

Couple options a business has, increase price, decrease employment numbers, increase employee production rate, or close doors since they can't afford it.
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maybe a tad shortsighted....what about increase efficiency, reduce overhead, reduce shareholder dividends, lower profits, market more efficiently, or any number of other things....just playing devils advocate here...but if there is widespread acknowledgement that income gaps are increasing, it is an ineffective argument to say that you can't pay lowest tier better wages....not saying your points aren't valid...but it is rather pointless to raise arguments that only get through to those that already agree with you
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I heard the higher wage is suppose to fund Obamacare... Mellow
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dstieger wrote:
somebody's got an agenda????

I certainly get that.....It would be pretty silly of a group to be in favor of a policy that would be detrimental to them

My thing is that nobody expects unions to be altruistic or seeking some sort of greater good....they have a specific constituency to look out for. It's the sneaky nature of 'institutes' like EPI that leak or publish 'studies' that try to appear 'scientific' or 'reasoned' or non-partisan, when in fact, they're anything but



I agree.
But in this instance, the unions aren't themselves front and center. It's sneaky and therefore disingenuous.
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dstieger wrote:
maybe a tad shortsighted....what about increase efficiency, reduce overhead, reduce shareholder dividends, lower profits, market more efficiently, or any number of other things....just playing devils advocate here...but if there is widespread acknowledgement that income gaps are increasing, it is an ineffective argument to say that you can't pay lowest tier better wages....not saying your points aren't valid...but it is rather pointless to raise arguments that only get through to those that already agree with you



The problem is that a mandated hike will do little to close that gap.
Although there are obvious exceptions, a hike in minimum wage doesn't lift the "lowest tier" as much as people think. Most families don't rely on flipping burgers to survive.
Add to that the not-so-subtle shift in union wages, and the cost of everyday goods quickly rise to match any payday increase.
So how does this help again?
Working teens will make more money.
And small business owners will suffer. SEVERELY.


If we want to help the poor. I mean REALLY and TRULY help the poor?
Then we need to train them to be qualified for jobs that aren't just "minimum".

It's sad to see so many aim so low. And to foster that attitude is counterproductive.


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It's intended to help Obamacare... he thinks if he gives the poor more money they will buy his insurance... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
It's intended to help Obamacare... he thinks if he gives the poor more money they will buy his insurance... Mellow

Obama doesn't give me sh|t, and I still can't afford or justify his "Affordable Care".
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Unions would rather you make much less outside of membership, so that you'll join, and pay dues. Why would a union want the government to give people more money, decreasing that chance that'll they'll join the union?
As a lifelong Union member, and a person with common sense, the whole, "it's the unions fault" is very stupid in this case.
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did you pay for the common sense certificate too..?? Huh
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It's comes with my dues receipt.
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Cool..!! Laugh
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tailgater wrote:

If we want to help the poor. I mean REALLY and TRULY help the poor?
Then we need to train them to be qualified for jobs that aren't just "minimum".

It's sad to see so many aim so low. And to foster that attitude is counterproductive.




your most liberal post evah!
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It's the whole teach them to fish thing.
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training costs (tax) money.

fishing is free, unless you need a license.
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Please tell my wife, that, frank
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And Tacklewarehouse
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frankj1 wrote:

fishing is free, unless you need a license.


Tell that to a fisherman.
You could almost always buy the fish for a heck of a lot less than it costs to go out and catch them yourself.
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that would be gay... Mellow
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banderl wrote:
Tell that to a fisherman.
You could almost always buy the fish for a heck of a lot less than it costs to go out and catch them yourself.

Obviously no one taught you how to fish. And you obviously also don't know much about people that choose to live off the land.

Let me guess, you're the first in line for a free hand-out.
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banderl wrote:
Tell that to a fisherman.
You could almost always buy the fish for a heck of a lot less than it costs to go out and catch them yourself.

why buy the fish when you can get the milk for free

or something like that Think
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Because gummy is a gay fish
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Gummy milks fish ?
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teedubbya wrote:
Because gummy is a gay fish


i love fishsticks
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cacman wrote:
Obviously no one taught you how to fish. And you obviously also don't know much about people that choose to live off the land.

Let me guess, you're the first in line for a free hand-out.


What a moronic thing to say. Coming from the guy who doesn't even know that his team is playing in the Stanley Cup Final.
Idiot!
I've been fishing for well over 50 years.
The cost of the boat, equipment, insurance, gas, licensing and the many other costs associated with fishing make it pretty tough to come out ahead economically when catching fish.
Just to reiterate, idiot.
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banderl wrote:
What a moronic thing to say. Coming from the guy who doesn't even know that his team is playing in the Stanley Cup Final.
Idiot!
I've been fishing for well over 50 years.
The cost of the boat, equipment, insurance, gas, licensing and the many other costs associated with fishing make it pretty tough to come out ahead economically when catching fish.
Just to reiterate, idiot.


aside from the name calling i agree

it is sad that the local, state and federal gov has over regulated everything from rain catch basins to hobbies like catch and release fishing.
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banderl wrote:
Tell that to a fisherman.
You could almost always buy the fish for a heck of a lot less than it costs to go out and catch them yourself.


Shut up! Wives may read this, damn you!

Salt water fishing poles = 3. $70, $182, and $224. Reels for those poles = 3. $109, $160, $433. That's almost $1,200 just for the rods/reels.

Tackle? Fuhgedaboudit.
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gummy jones wrote:
aside from the name calling i agree

it is sad that the local, state and federal gov has over regulated everything from rain catch basins to hobbies like catch and release fishing.


Not the government regulations which really cost.
See MAC'S post above.
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banderl wrote:
Not the government regulations which really cost.
See MAC'S post above.

i get it, really
but at least you own that rod and reel and squid and whatever.
think fishing is expensive get into competitive and/or long range shooting of any frequency

i am talking about the gov fees, no matter how big or small, to even contemplate said activities. despite our taxes, etc we still have to pay to play.

licensing to use your own pond or sit in a tree stand in your back yard seems crazy

a yearly sporstmans license is $40 (currently, goes up yearly) in wv, coupled with this economy, it is a lot for some folks - prohibitory even
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sd72 wrote:
Unions would rather you make much less outside of membership, so that you'll join, and pay dues. Why would a union want the government to give people more money, decreasing that chance that'll they'll join the union?
As a lifelong Union member, and a person with common sense, the whole, "it's the unions fault" is very stupid in this case.



When certain unions have their pay scale linked to the minimum wage, then it makes perfect sense.

Nobody said it's the unions "fault", but they are a very active participant in the push to raise the MW.


Locally (Boston area) there were many stories about the support from public unions due to the wage-link.
But a quick search on the google machine yielded this extreme OPPOSITE situation in La La land.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rexsinquefield/2016/04/25/rampant-hypocrisy-reveals-downside-of-15-minimum-wage/#955267c2238c

Seems the unions are fine with the $15 min wage, but are fighting for an exemption for unions!

I thought it was funny.
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tailgater wrote:
When certain unions have their pay scale linked to the minimum wage, then it makes perfect sense.

Nobody said it's the unions "fault", but they are a very active participant in the push to raise the MW.



head of uaw must put in a heck of a lot of overtime hours at minimum wage to have that 1mil+ salary

must be a workaholic
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frankj1 wrote:
your most liberal post evah!


We could have a nice discussion on this one, but to start with I'm not sure what you mean by "liberal".

I don't want to give away free money.
Which is a very UN-liberal (anti-liberal? Liberal-less? Masculine! but we digress)


Herfing
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I good fisherman doesn't need the fancy stuff or a boat

Bow bow bow
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So, you use your hand..?? Huh
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teedubbya wrote:
I good fisherman doesn't need the fancy stuff or a boat

Bow bow bow



So you eat carp and/or gar?
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gummy jones wrote:
i get it, really
but at least you own that rod and reel and squid and whatever.
think fishing is expensive get into competitive and/or long range shooting of any frequency

i am talking about the gov fees, no matter how big or small, to even contemplate said activities. despite our taxes, etc we still have to pay to play.

licensing to use your own pond or sit in a tree stand in your back yard seems crazy

a yearly sporstmans license is $40 (currently, goes up yearly) in wv, coupled with this economy, it is a lot for some folks - prohibitory even



While I disagree with the details of a lot of DNR regs, I am generally quite happy to buy a sportsman license. The management of recreational fishing waters, wetlands, public boat launches, limits enforcement, etc doesn't come cheap. And it has been my experience that most of the DNR folks (management AND wardens) do a very good job and care as much or more about my outdoor environment than many hunters and fishermen.
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dstieger wrote:
While I disagree with the details of a lot of DNR regs, I am generally quite happy to buy a sportsman license. The management of recreational fishing waters, wetlands, public boat launches, limits enforcement, etc doesn't come cheap. And it has been my experience that most of the DNR folks (management AND wardens) do a very good job and care as much or more about my outdoor environment than many hunters and fishermen.



^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^

You also have to buy a salmon and trout stamp here, that money pays for stocking Lake Michigan with salmonids.
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tailgater wrote:
We could have a nice discussion on this one, but to start with I'm not sure what you mean by "liberal".

I don't want to give away free money.
Which is a very UN-liberal (anti-liberal? Liberal-less? Masculine! but we digress)


Herfing

in addition to messing with ya, as you figured out, I actually was smiling at the thought that you were promoting job training skills as I wondered how much it would cost to have this be a Government program.

It sure sounds more like a Liberal Platform.
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dstieger wrote:
While I disagree with the details of a lot of DNR regs, I am generally quite happy to buy a sportsman license. The management of recreational fishing waters, wetlands, public boat launches, limits enforcement, etc doesn't come cheap. And it has been my experience that most of the DNR folks (management AND wardens) do a very good job and care as much or more about my outdoor environment than many hunters and fishermen.


they do im sure

but im also sure there are other superfluous things that could be cut to free up the trillions in other tax dollars to fund that cause

what do the dnr folks do for a pennsylvanian that justifies $40 and extra $ for a doe tag so that guy can hunt on his own land?

the fact remains that some folks are very poor and some rely very heavily on game to survive. those little fees (that go up yearly) may not affect you or i but be prohibitive for them.
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frankj1 wrote:
...promoting job training skills as I wondered how much it would cost to have this be a Government program.

It sure sounds more like a Liberal Platform.


isnt that called high school +/- votech?
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ya, but to some Vo-tech is like a Dollar General store... Way beneath them to step foot in one... Bernie promised to pay for Four year colleges for everyone.. Mellow
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banderl wrote:
Coming from the guy who doesn't even know that his team is playing in the Stanley Cup Final.

Before calling someone an idiot check the Trades board ol' buddy. I've had bets throughout the entire playoffs on my team. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
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DrafterX wrote:
ya, but to some Vo-tech is like a Dollar General store... Way beneath them to step foot in one... Bernie promised to pay for Four year colleges for everyone.. Mellow


good point

much less embarrassing to be third generation welfare rather than making $70k+/year as a welder
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cacman wrote:
Before calling someone an idiot check the Trades board ol' buddy. I've had bets throughout the entire playoffs on my team. d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!



The point is that your bandwagon jumping ass doesn't know that it's called the Stanley Cup Final, not the finals. Look at the ice next time, right near the blue lines.
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