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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:14 AM EST
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After making derogatory comments about Donald Trump she should step down from SCOTUS. Political comments from a member of SCOTUS unacceptable. No matter what her opinion is her behavior is deplorable.
DrafterX Offline
#2 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:23 AM EST
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TW saw her boobs... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#3 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:28 AM EST
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She called him a "faker". Which is technically accurate and properly adjudicated.

Besides, Trumps openly slanders judges based on their race. You think they both should step down?
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:53 AM EST
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I think the Supreme Court is not supposed to show political bias. I cannot remember any Supreme Court member being so blatantly biased. Yes there are liberal and conservative members of the court, and I would want a conservative member to step down if they disparaged Hillary Clinton in a similar manner.
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#5 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 11:08 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think the Supreme Court is not supposed to show political bias. I cannot remember any Supreme Court member being so blatantly biased. Yes there are liberal and conservative members of the court, and I would want a conservative member to step down if they disparaged Hillary Clinton in a similar manner.


If Scalia wasn't as biased no one is but your right she should resign or recuse herself from any case involving trump . LOL that might make her semi retired as much as he's in the court .
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 11:36 AM EST
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I think her comments crossed a line that Scala never crossed. To my understanding he never disparaged a presidential candidate like this.
Gene363 Offline
#7 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 12:06 PM EST
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Strange times, not very SCOTUS like.
DrafterX Offline
#8 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 12:11 PM EST
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Obama will pardon her.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#9 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:10 PM EST
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Speyside wrote:
I think the Supreme Court is not supposed to show political bias. I cannot remember any Supreme Court member being so blatantly biased. Yes there are liberal and conservative members of the court, and I would want a conservative member to step down if they disparaged Hillary Clinton in a similar manner.

So a justice shows political bias - in an opinion - and she should be out.
But, a Presidential candidate shows racism towards a judge and he get a free pass....
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:29 PM EST
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She doesn't have to step down.... they're gonna impeach her..!! Laugh
ZRX1200 Offline
#11 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:31 PM EST
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://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/code-conduct-united-states-judges

#5
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:33 PM EST
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She'll say that rule isn't specific enough... although her comment was extremely careless it didn't actually break the rule... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:37 PM EST
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No free pass, don't vote for the candidate, I'm not going to.
ZRX1200 Offline
#14 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:41 PM EST
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OK Drafter.
DrafterX Offline
#15 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 1:43 PM EST
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Laugh
teedubbya Offline
#16 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 2:08 PM EST
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I feel bad for trump... picked on and all


she definitely should recuse herself when hilldog v. trump decides florida.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 2:15 PM EST
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ya, I woulda just called her an old whore and been done with it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 2:17 PM EST
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I think that's what he did
Brewha Offline
#19 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 2:37 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
ya, I woulda just called her an old whore and been done with it... Mellow


OhMyGod
rfenst Offline
#20 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:11 PM EST
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Poor form on her part, but stepping down for it is uncalled for.
Brewha Offline
#21 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:33 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Poor form on her part, but stepping down for it is uncalled for.

I donno - If I ever saw someone who opened the floor for spitballing people it would be Trump

Yeah, he was asking for it....
ZRX1200 Offline
#22 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 6:39 PM EST
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Robert I agree. Not something she should resign for, but a statement acknowledging the lines they are supposed to stay within would be nice.
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#23 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:18 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I donno - If I ever saw someone who opened the floor for spitballing people it would be Trump

Yeah, he was asking for it....


Even if he deserved it, it's unseemly of our supreme court to stoop to that level.
Now, "unseemlyness" is not exactly an offense I'd demand someone to resign for. And all the hand waving and bs is just a waste of money.

A simple "ya know, that was a bit unprofessional of me, sorry" would suit me.
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 7:21 PM EST
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what if she showed you her boobs..?? Huh
Brewha Offline
#25 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:45 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Even if he deserved it, it's unseemly of our supreme court to stoop to that level.
Now, "unseemlyness" is not exactly an offense I'd demand someone to resign for. And all the hand waving and bs is just a waste of money.

A simple "ya know, that was a bit unprofessional of me, sorry" would suit me.

I disagree. I think her statement was considered, deliberate and conclusive.

Don't see it a pot shot from an old woman. See it as adjudication for a Justice.....

An can anyone truthfully say she is wrong?
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#26 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:48 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
what if she showed you her boobs..?? Huh


Scalia is dead, so she could only show Thomas.
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#27 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:49 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I disagree. I think her statement was considered, deliberate and conclusive.

Don't see it a pot shot from an old woman. See it as adjudication for a Justice.....

An can anyone truthfully say she is wrong?




about 80% of the country thinks so... Mellow
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#28 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
about 80% of the country thinks so... Mellow

Are you talking about France again?

HD would be outraged....
tonygraz Offline
#29 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 8:56 PM EST
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If you criticize a Federal judge and another Federal judge criticizes you, doesn't that make it even- or payback ?
DrafterX Offline
#30 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:01 PM EST
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If your referring to that thing a couple months ago Trump was just exposing his ties to Aye Corumba.. not really criticizing him personally... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#31 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:06 PM EST
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I figure "faker" was a professional criticism. I mean he has been indicted for fraud. And she is a Justice, giving a professional opinion.

So, she was just doing her job.
ZRX1200 Offline
#32 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:10 PM EST
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The justices have no business making statements about individuals in that manner, there's a reason they have the canon rules. But apparently some voters are so blinded politically they don't care. Really pathetic.
Brewha Offline
#33 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:20 PM EST
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When they find him guilty of fraud, will it be ok then?
ZRX1200 Offline
#34 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:21 PM EST
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Not the point AT ALL.

If you're playing I don't find it humorous, there's a reason they have rules. Right and wrong don't matter, the decorum of impartiality does.
Brewha Offline
#35 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 9:27 PM EST
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Ok Z, you feel some people should never give their personal opinion about a candidate because of their job in government. Like SCOTUS - anyone else?

no one in the judicial branch? Executive branch? Administrative?

Is it ok for the speaker of the House?
ZRX1200 Offline
#36 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:47 PM EST
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Do you not understand why they have the rules they do?
teedubbya Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, Jul 13 2016, 10:48 PM EST
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Trump was wrong trying to influence his case by leveraging his position as the leader of the GOP, but that has nothing to do with Ginsberg. She is wrong. The he did it first or I'm rubber you are glue defense is silly.
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#38 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 6:39 AM EST
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Brewha started it.. Not talking
Brewha Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 7:08 AM EST
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tattle tale....
Brewha Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 7:22 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Do you not understand why they have the rules they do?

In the Coded of Conduct it reads:

Canon 5: A Judge Should Refrain from Political Activity

(A) General Prohibitions. A judge should not:

(1) act as a leader or hold any office in a political organization;

(2) make speeches for a political organization or candidate, or publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office



So "should" is not technically a rule, but a guideline for preferred conduct.
Brewha Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 7:26 AM EST
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Ok - I'm really starting to like this lady:


Washington (CNN) — Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's well-known candor was on display in her chambers late Monday, when she declined to retreat from her earlier criticism of Donald Trump and even elaborated on it.

"He is a faker," she said of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, going point by point, as if presenting a legal brief. "He has no consistency about him. He says whatever comes into his head at the moment. He really has an ego. ... How has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? The press seems to be very gentle with him on that."

Ginsburg's comments came in a previously scheduled interview related to my research for a book on Chief Justice John Roberts. I took a detour to raise the reverberations from her criticism of Trump to The Associated Press and The New York Times in recent interviews. "I can't imagine what this place would be -- I can't imagine what the country would be -- with Donald Trump as our president," she had said in the Times interview published Monday.

Trump responded Wednesday morning by calling on Ginsburg to resign.

"Justice Ginsburg of the U.S. Supreme Court has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me. Her mind is shot - resign!" Trump tweeted.
Speyside Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 7:51 AM EST
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Ok, based on the code of conduct there is no reason for her to step down. Still, I find her conduct inappropriate.
teedubbya Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 7:53 AM EST
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As does their own code
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#44 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 8:07 AM EST
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^ Agreed.
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#45 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 8:13 AM EST
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this really is despicable
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#46 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 8:15 AM EST
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As a nation this is what we get for not watering the Tree of Liberty.

We have become what we overthrew.

Perhaps term limits would solve this and many other issues.
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#47 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 8:22 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
As a nation this is what we get for not watering the Tree of Liberty.

We have become what we overthrew.

Perhaps term limits would solve this and many other issues.



Term limits work great for the President.
They would work just as well for Senators, Congress, Governors, Mayors, and Judges.

Beer
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#48 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 8:53 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
...what we get for not watering the Tree of Liberty.



great reference
the tree has wilted has it not?
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#49 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 9:20 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
As a nation this is what we get for not watering the Tree of Liberty.

We have become what we overthrew.

Perhaps term limits would solve this and many other issues.




So very true.....


Stinkdyr wrote:
Term limits work great for the President.
They would work just as well for Senators, Congress, Governors, Mayors, and Judges.

Beer




ALSO very true!!!
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#50 Posted: Thu, Jul 14 2016, 10:05 AM EST
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Yup
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