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Covfireman Offline
#1 Posted:
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4 out of 5 states that had ballot initiatives for recreational canabis passed . That means 20% of the US population has " legal" recreational canabis . That puts those state in a direct conflict with current federal law .

Stinkdyr Offline
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Covfireman wrote:
4 out of 5 states that had ballot initiatives for recreational canabis passed . That means 20% of the US population has " legal" recreational canabis . That puts those state in a direct conflict with current federal law .




Let Freedom ring and reign!

Herfing
Buckwheat Offline
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How long after Trump takes over do you think it will last in those states? The Feds will put their iron fist down on those states faster than you can say "Overreach". fog
Covfireman Offline
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I'm assuming it will be a supreme court decision that will have to decide it . Wouldn't this be a states rights issue? Or is it just the dubious class 1 narcotic classification that would be challenged ? Or do you decide what what to go by who's on the court now ? Obama could just do an executive order changing the classification.
Mr. Jones Offline
#5 Posted:
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Trump could CARE LESS ABOUT LEGAL POT...

HE'll be enjoying the suitcases filled with cash
That comes to his safe deposit boxes in those states from pot grower conglomerates making sure it stays LEGAL...

Its a CASH COW..
ALWAYS HAS BEEN...
ALWAYS WILL BE...
IN WHATEVER FORM IT TAKES...

PLUS , IT CUTS OUT THE "BAD HOMBRES"
From the cash loop...
Win Win for TRUMP.
Buckwheat Offline
#6 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Trump could CARE LESS ABOUT LEGAL POT...

HE'll be enjoying the suitcases filled with cash
That comes to his safe deposit boxes in those states from pot grower conglomerates making sure it stays LEGAL...

Its a CASH COW..
ALWAYS HAS BEEN...
ALWAYS WILL BE...
IN WHATEVER FORM IT TAKES...

PLUS , IT CUTS OUT THE "BAD HOMBRES"
From the cash loop...
Win Win for TRUMP.


Yeah, I think you need to read up on his and Pence's stance on Legalization of Weed. Herfing
Covfireman Offline
#7 Posted:
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Lol I never thought about Trump taking the "bad hombre " approch. He can be against it for one reason and for it for his favorite reason.
ZRX1200 Offline
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A lot of tax bills on pot passed to.

Pot is dumb, and taxation is theft.
dstieger Offline
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And to think....1/5 of the country managed to get there without a Johnson. Sounds like he's OBE
MACS Offline
#10 Posted:
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Prop 64 in CA. As I said, I voted for it.

It's no worse than alcohol which is legal, regulated, and taxed. The people who are going to smoke it are already smoking it. Maybe some more try it and some continue to use it and some don't...

An added bonus: Since a person can buy it in the store now, and grow 6 of their own plants, legally... the cartels just lost a lot of money. Of course, that money just went to another 'cartel'... the state of California in the form of taxes.
Mr. Jones Offline
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MACS!!! Tell us more ABOUT ANYBODY CAN GROW 6 plants??
I never heard about that.
Do you need a license to grow those 6 plants?

Are you : MACS : allowed to grow 6 plants once it goes into effect?

Christ^^^ that could add $15k +++ a year to anybodies income...
That's a Friggin gold mine for anyone with brains
And a green thumb.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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6 plants under 500 watt hps would yield, at best, 12oz maybe?

If you sold those to a dispensary you'd be looking at $200/oz at most...

That 500 watt is gonna run you $100/ month at least so that's 2 ounces gone... soil and nutes will probably run around $400 all in... that's 4 ounces gone...

Plenty of other costs ... and Trimming is a bitch... runs $10/hr to have it done... if you made $1000 after all that you'd be lucky... but you wouldn't be high...
cacman Offline
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ZRX1200 wrote:
A lot of tax bills on pot passed to, and taxation is theft.

Tobacco is taxed at 40%, but recreational MJ is only taxed 25%?!?!
There are a ton of State and Local taxes added to the cost of recreational MJ. These taxes where supposed to go to the schools. But our tax happy County instead chose to institute a mil-levy (another tax) to raise money to be eligible for the MJ tax money. WTF!?!?! We have to pay a tax so we can use funds collected from a another tax. It's totally f*ckin stupid!

Why is alcohol taxed less than tobacco and MJ?

Smoke what you like and "F" what the guberment says is OK for you.
cacman Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
6 plants under 500 watt hps would yield, at best, 12oz maybe?

One (1) plant can yield up to 1 pound of product. Once you have invested in a grow system, it can be used over, and over again thus reducing the personal cost. It is a lot of work, but many feel safer growing their own. They know what chemicals and fertilizers are being used, and don't have to worry about being tracked by the guberment when visiting a dispensary.

Plus you need a special license to grow and sell to the dispensaries. Depending on the strain, dispensaries charge approx $400/oz. or $15-20/gram.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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cacman wrote:
One (1) plant can yield up to 1 pound of product. Once you have invested in a grow system, it can be used over, and over again thus reducing the personal cost. It is a lot of work, but many feel safer growing their own. They know what chemicals and fertilizers are being used, and don't have to worry about being tracked by the guberment when visiting a dispensary.

Plus you need a special license to grow and sell to the dispensaries. Depending on the strain, dispensaries charge approx $400/oz. or $15-20/gram.


maybe outside... you're not getting a pound per plant indoors...

growing for personal consumption makes a ton of sense to me... right there with you on the safety thing... some of these guys spray their plants with freaking raid to get rid of spider mites...

dispensaries are incredibly expensive and they don't pay the farmers sh*t...
cacman Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
maybe outside... you're not getting a pound per plant indoors...

You're more likely to get a pound growing indoors hydroponically in approx 12-15 weeks from a clone, than in dirt outdoors taking up to 6 months to mature. Technology has really advanced with lighting, CO2 delivery, aero and hydro systems, etc. over the old ebb & flow systems with fluorescent grow lights popular in the 70-80's. Most grows use a combination of dirt and hydro as they need to quickly turnover and produce new product. Many argue if there's a difference in potency between being grown in dirt over hydro.

The 6 plant restriction is for personal use. If you acquire the license to grow for a dispensary, the number of plants allowed will increase. Many farmers are finding they can make a lot more money per acre growing MJ compared to traditional food crops.
BuckyB93 Offline
#17 Posted:
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Weed the People of the United States...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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cacman wrote:
You're more likely to get a pound growing indoors hydroponically in approx 12-15 weeks from a clone, than in dirt outdoors taking up to 6 months to mature. Technology has really advanced with lighting, CO2 delivery, aero and hydro systems, etc. over the old ebb & flow systems with fluorescent grow lights popular in the 70-80's. Most grows use a combination of dirt and hydro as they need to quickly turnover and produce new product. Many argue if there's a difference in potency between being grown in dirt over hydro.

The 6 plant restriction is for personal use. If you acquire the license to grow for a dispensary, the number of plants allowed will increase. Many farmers are finding they can make a lot more money per acre growing MJ compared to traditional food crops.


for 6 plants??? You're gonna run a no2 co2 hepa-in charcoal-out hydro system for 6 plants? I've grown for many years... a pound per plant is so uncommon it's nearly impossible... if you pumped your nutes up to incredible levels - ungodly amounts - and then ran enough watts to basically bankrupt you through pge, then maybe you could do it...

outdoors, you've got the sun... that's the only way to get that much light on a 6 plant set up without going in the hole on electricity...
cacman Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
for 6 plants??? You're gonna run a no2 co2 hepa-in charcoal-out hydro system for 6 plants?

LOL! Yep, many do just that. It's just another hobby/obsession like cigars.
And don't forget solar energy.
ZRX1200 Offline
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The problem here is our measure last year legalizing specified state tax only, and this years bills that passed were county and city taxes. So the anti pot voters passed something that will cost lawsuit $. Stupid voters.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Pound per plant isn't odd here in Oregon for some strains, I've seen 16' tall plants with girth too.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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^maybe outdoor, maybe green weight... 1 lb per plant dry weight indoors, again, is so unheard of it's nearly impossible... I could link to a thousand places...

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/1-lb-per-plant.926742/
cacman Offline
#23 Posted:
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Let's do the guberment's math. Say you get 5 pounds for every 6 plant grow.
At $400/oz retail that comes to $6,400/lb. 5lbs = $32,000.
Turnover 3 grows per year at 5lbs. each = $96,000
opelmanta1900 Offline
#24 Posted:
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There is no freaking way you're getting that yield!

also, you're not a dispensary, so you're not getting that $400/ounce... $200 maybe... maybe...
cacman Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
There is no freaking way you're getting that yield!

also, you're not a dispensary, so you're not getting that $400/ounce... $200 maybe... maybe...

As I said... guberment's math based on full retail. Just like values they place when you hear about busts in the news.

MACS Offline
#26 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
MACS!!! Tell us more ABOUT ANYBODY CAN GROW 6 plants??
I never heard about that.
Do you need a license to grow those 6 plants?

Are you : MACS : allowed to grow 6 plants once it goes into effect?

Christ^^^ that could add $15k +++ a year to anybodies income...
That's a Friggin gold mine for anyone with brains
And a green thumb.


My job precludes me from participating. Our general orders state that we are to obey all state and federal laws... so until it is legal in the whole US, or until I quit my job or retire... it does not matter to MACS, the person.

Additionally, the 6 plants are for personal use. It would be illegal to sell it without the proper license to do so. So the dispensaries that are now peddling it as medical will soon be selling it as recreational... for a fee, of course.
DrafterX Offline
#27 Posted:
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The drug smugglers are gonna be pissed... they have kids to put thru college to ya know.. Mellow
opelmanta1900 Offline
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cacman wrote:
As I said... guberment's math based on full retail. Just like values they place when you hear about busts in the news.


Fair enough lol... those are always hilarious...

bob and Tom (old morning radio show) told a story once about a couple of guys who grew some terrible pot... so bad you couldn't smoke it... so they dropped it all into the return slot at the local library...

They said the funniest part of the whole thing was the 6-figure amount the authorities placed on the bud...

All in all i think we can both agree it's nice to live in states where we don't have to worry about going to jail over pot... maybe living in Oklahoma will be nice someday too...
Covfireman Offline
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500 grams per (m2) using 280 watt led ( 1000w hps equivalent ) about 17.6 oz x 220$ 3872. 90 days from seeds 6 plants (autoflower)

Seeds 50 light tent misc 200 120 80 if you go soil or coco husk add another 100 for cloth pots , soil , additives 550$ total not including utilities if you go hydro add 300 to it for 850 . Next grow you need seeds ,additional nutrients and light again. .
Ndill Offline
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Thats just like your opinion...man
opelmanta1900 Offline
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that's enough ndill... this agression will not stand...
cacman Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Fair enough lol... those are always hilarious...

In reality, $200/oz is common for dispensaries. Due to the 1 ounce buying restriction, the majority of sales are for smaller amounts - $7 joints, $15-20 grams, $25 eights, $50 quarters. And since it is easy to get from the dispensary, most users don't bother with trying to properly store multiple ounces/pounds but instead choose to buy the freshest newest product available. A little sativa for the day, some indica for the night, and a nice wax to totally chill.

The other thing I noticed about the fourm link you offered, many agree 1lb/plant is possible. But the big thing that was overlooked was using the entire plant - not just the final processed flower for smoking. Trimmings are used to produce butters, oils, and other edibles. Some folks use the ground stalks and stems in compost, mulch, or mix it with soil.
cacman Offline
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Covfireman wrote:
Next grow you need seeds, additional nutrients, and light again.

You don't need seeds for the next grow if you start with clones from your previous grow.
Lights can be used for more than 1 grow, but you do need the energy to turn them on. Don't forget Solar!
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
Prop 64 in CA. As I said, I voted for it.

It's no worse than alcohol which is legal, regulated, and taxed. The people who are going to smoke it are already smoking it. Maybe some more try it and some continue to use it and some don't...

An added bonus: Since a person can buy it in the store now, and grow 6 of their own plants, legally... the cartels just lost a lot of money. Of course, that money just went to another 'cartel'... the state of California in the form of taxes.


Well stated.
rfenst Offline
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Nice to see all the libertarians and states' rights folks who oppose medical marijuana for legitimate medical use. What business is it any of theirs? It is a medical issue between a legitimate patient and a doctor.

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

It's all a great hypocracy. We have much more important issues to deal with.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Who?

I didn't vote for measure 91 here last year because it involved the state facilitaton of the program. I warned my pot head friends, now they're not as thrilled as they were last November.

opelmanta1900 Offline
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rfenst wrote:

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

Can I come over? I'll bring doritos...
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Nice to see all the libertarians and states' rights folks who oppose medical marijuana for legitimate medical use. What business is it any of theirs? It is a medical issue between a legitimate patient and a doctor.

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

It's all a great hypocracy. We have much more important issues to deal with.


It's should be no one's business. Now if you were to drive or operate machinery impaired that would be another matter. FWIW, I lean libertarian and believe that all drugs should be legalized, medical or recreational.
rfenst Offline
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rfenst Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Can I come over? I'll bring doritos...


Sure!
Mr. Jones Offline
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Man...
You guys ^^^ "are experts" at growing weed.
cac & opel
Who'd a thunk...
opelmanta1900 Offline
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Carl might be... I'm not for sure... been around a lot of impressive set-ups and growers...

but the grows are nothing compared to being around the wax process... Whooda thunk butane and pot would go so well together...
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rfenst wrote:
Nice to see all the libertarians and states' rights folks who oppose medical marijuana for legitimate medical use. What business is it any of theirs? It is a medical issue between a legitimate patient and a doctor.

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

It's all a great hypocracy. We have much more important issues to deal with.



Exactly, but while we are at it we need to develop some definitive tests to determine if someone is driving impaired and add teeth to DUI laws.
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rfenst wrote:
Nice to see all the libertarians and states' rights folks who oppose medical marijuana for legitimate medical use. What business is it any of theirs? It is a medical issue between a legitimate patient and a doctor.

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

It's all a great hypocracy. We have much more important issues to deal with.


See, and on this issue we see the states using their intended rights to thumb their nose at the Federal government entities. All they want to do is monitor what you see and send, pat you down at airports and sporting events, tell you what you can and can't do and raise taxes.

Once a state starts seeing the revenue stream from it...there's no stopping them. Look at Colorado! I'm so proud of them. Now California is in the fray. That's going to open some badly needed relief, if they can use it for good and not spend it all before they get their hands on it!

Why, I dare say this could very well spell the beginning of the end for the endless creep of power from Washington DC!

whip


Smoke 'em if ya gots 'em!

Herfing
MACS Offline
#45 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
Exactly, but while we are at it we need to develop some definitive tests to determine if someone is driving impaired and add teeth to DUI laws.


We have a class called DAR (drug and alcohol recognition). I attended it last year. We do have ways to identify whether or not someone is actively under the influence of a wide range of drugs. The eyes never lie. Pupil dilation, elevated heart rate, the eyes reaction to light, etc. You do a battery of tests and there is a 'cheat card' that pinpoints the class of drug being used, whether it is amphetamines, barbiturates, opiates, etc.

Not as easy as recognizing when someone is drunk, for sure, but any narcotics officer with a bit of experience can easily tell. Perhaps agencies keep a few 'subject matter experts' on hand like they do with guys highly trained in field sobriety testing.

rfenst Offline
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Abrignac wrote:
Exactly, but while we are at it we need to develop some definitive tests to determine if someone is driving impaired and add teeth to DUI laws.


Yup.
8trackdisco Offline
#47 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
Nice to see all the libertarians and states' rights folks who oppose medical marijuana for legitimate medical use. What business is it any of theirs? It is a medical issue between a legitimate patient and a doctor.

What business is it of anyone else if all I want to do is to recreationally smoke myself into oblivion on my own leisure time in my own home?

It's all a great hypocracy. We have much more important issues to deal with.


It isn't often, maybe once every couple of years that I say this....

I completely agree with you.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#48 Posted:
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Legal pot, bringing people together... it's a good thing...
Gene363 Offline
#49 Posted:
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Weed, it won more states than Hillary. LOL
cacman Offline
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Man...
You guys ^^^ "are experts" at growing weed.
cac & opel
Who'd a thunk...

Got all my info from reading the MJ Ad Page in our local newspaper. MJ is used more often, and by more people than tobacco here. It's also taxed A LOT less than tobacco.
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