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#CNNBlackmail
teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Not quite. If you combine ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC... heck just 3 of those 5... they dwarf FOX in terms of viewers. Fox is #1 only because the rest have to share viewers. Conservatives have one channel - FOX.



I was speaking towards intent not outcome
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#52 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
1 - the dudes a middle aged man. The 15 year old crap is "fake news" from Donald Trump Jr.

2 - news should not require skewing right or left. There is information. If one needs to present "the other side" then they are not providing information they are providing an opinion. If a channel is providing too much opinion (and all of them have been providing a bit much recently) the solution is NOT to provide an opposite opinion. The solution is to provide information.


fake news... gonna start calling you vnn...


totally agree on point #2 though... the problem is that "information" doesn't pay the bills... idiots who will sit through mindless attempts at selling them products so that they can be rewarded by getting to listen to someone they politically agree with talk for 6 minutes with more people that they all agree with before 3 more minutes of product-selling attempts getcrammed down their pie chute - that's what pays the bills... f*ck tv...
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If someone thinks there is a difference between "information" and "factual information" then they don't understand what being informed is.

If someone who frequently posts incorrect information thinks they need to try to insert "factual" unnecessarily unto one of my posts ... then they don't understand what irony is.
victor809 Offline
#54 Posted:
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Like "alternative facts" better opel? I thought I'd start using the presidents vernacular so the rabble can understand my sentences...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#55 Posted:
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I meant "The 15 year old crap is "fake news" from Donald Trump Jr." is fake news... that absolutely did not originate from him so to say it's "from him" when he was just sharing "information" (although not factual information) that others had shared with him is dishonest information...
victor809 Offline
#56 Posted:
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Fair point. He is disseminating this information however. .. unless he deleted that tweet...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#57 Posted:
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I doubt he did... I watched the story evolve this morning on 8chan... it was silly... everyone knew he was a 30-something year old (he posted something about being a teenager back in the 90's I think) but one guy mentions it's a 15 year old, everyone else starts rolling with it, then someone started saying he was gay and cnn had threatened to out him, and that didn't stick at all because of how outlandish it was, but the 15 year old thing stuck... weird... in 2 weeks if you ask 10 random people about this, at least 3 will still think he was 15...
victor809 Offline
#58 Posted:
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Nope... still up. So he is disseminating "fake news" knowingly.
opelmanta1900 Offline
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well, no, I don't think he's smart enough to know it's not a 15 year old... lots of fake news out there... hard to know what you can believe...
victor809 Offline
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That's a bs excuse man... if the person who stupidly tthreatened to doxx them says they are middle aged then they must be. Otherwise the threat of doxxing loses all power. They have to be accurate or it creates a question as to whether they are doxxing the right person. You can't say you have the person's info and they're a middle aged guy one day then a week later release info on a 15 year old. Your credibility on any of the info is lost completely (unless your audience is Trump voters...)

opelmanta1900 Offline
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maybe they're just gonna wait like 20 years to release the info... then they'd still be right... lots of angles this could be looked at from...
victor809 Offline
#62 Posted:
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Hehe... that's stretching it...
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#63 Posted:
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Like news networks reporting off of a report that was WIDELY KNOW to be fake, and running with it for weeks. But hey, it's not like Victor repeated the lies.....right?

Mellow


I'll be enjoying my irony served cold n sweet.
victor809 Offline
#64 Posted:
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And where did I repeat lies?
jjanecka Offline
#65 Posted:
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When you told everyone that your dong pick collection had a dong as long as a horses.
Abrignac Offline
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Julian Assange‏ @Real_Assange 2h2 hours ago

A multi-billion dollar TV network blackmailing a private citizen into not making funny videos about it is not journalism, CNN. #CNNBlackmail



Cornell Law School wrote:
blackmail

Definition

Coercion by unjustifiably threatening to reveal to another person or to the public substantially true information that is embarrassing, injurious, or incriminating. Although revealing this information is not in itself a crime, blackmail that comes in the form of demanding money in exchange for withholding information is considered criminal behavior.
teedubbya Offline
#67 Posted:
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Press the charges then. See how far you get.
teedubbya Offline
#68 Posted:
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Unless you are suggesting it isn't blackmail which it clearly isn't.
Abrignac Offline
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.htm
By Andrew Kaczynski, CNN wrote:
CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.

CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.


Wondering if he's hired a criminal defense attorney yet?

teedubbya Offline
#70 Posted:
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Please don't tell anyone. Ok as long as you stop. Deal.
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victor809 wrote:
... news should not require skewing right or left. There is information. If one needs to present "the other side" then they are not providing information they are providing an opinion. If a channel is providing too much opinion (and all of them have been providing a bit much recently) the solution is NOT to provide an opposite opinion. The solution is to provide information.


It's not often that I find myself in agreement with Victor .... the news should not be skewed ... but here in the Bay Area, it sure as hell is and the news providers seem to agree with Vic that the solution is not to provide an opposite opinion, since none make any attempt to do so ...
teedubbya Offline
#72 Posted:
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Agreed but it's never been. Remember rosebud?
SteveS Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Agreed but it's never been. Remember rosebud?


well that, of course, wasn't bias in the news media nor was it about politics ...
Abrignac Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
Agreed but it's never been. Remember the mint buttplug?

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This thread may win???

The most responses in the least time
EVER ON THE CBID FORUM ???
teedubbya Offline
#76 Posted:
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SteveS wrote:
well that, of course, wasn't bias in the news media nor was it about politics ...




William Randolf Hearst, politics and press bias/abuse

Yup.

Nothing new

Rosebud
jjanecka Offline
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All I have to say is that CNN is dispickable.
teedubbya Offline
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As Martin Lee and Norman Solomon noted in their 1990 book Unreliable Sources, Hearst "routinely invented sensational stories, faked interviews, ran phony pictures and distorted real events". This approach discredited "yellow journalism".

Hearst's use of yellow journalism techniques in his New York Journal to whip up popular support for U.S. military adventurism in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines in 1898 was also criticized in Upton Sinclair's 1919 book, The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism. According to Sinclair, Hearst's newspapers distorted world events and deliberately tried to discredit Socialists. Another critic, Ferdinand Lundberg, extended the criticism in Imperial Hearst (1936), charging that Hearst papers accepted payments from abroad to slant the news. After the war, a further critic, George Seldes, repeated the charges in Facts and Fascism (1947).

He used his papers for his own political purposes aw well.

Rosebud.
frankj1 Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
As Martin Lee and Norman Solomon noted in their 1990 book Unreliable Sources, Hearst "routinely invented sensational stories, faked interviews, ran phony pictures and distorted real events". This approach discredited "yellow journalism".

Hearst's use of yellow journalism techniques in his New York Journal to whip up popular support for U.S. military adventurism in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines in 1898 was also criticized in Upton Sinclair's 1919 book, The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism. According to Sinclair, Hearst's newspapers distorted world events and deliberately tried to discredit Socialists. Another critic, Ferdinand Lundberg, extended the criticism in Imperial Hearst (1936), charging that Hearst papers accepted payments from abroad to slant the news. After the war, a further critic, George Seldes, repeated the charges in Facts and Fascism (1947).

He used his papers for his own political purposes aw well.

Rosebud.

Remember The Maine!
teedubbya Offline
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Yup

Fake news is nothing new. Its impact has waxed and waned through American history. But there was a golden age of "yellow journalism," back in the 1890s, when fake news helped start a war

Yellow journalism has been defined as any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical manner.

The term was coined in the 1890s to describe the ferocious circulation war between William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal and the New York World, owned by Joseph Pulitzer.

They sought out crime, scandal and salacious detail. Facts that got in the way of a gripping story could be left out. Imaginary details could be added. Any excuse to include an image of a scantily-clad woman was welcome.

The goal was to create a sensation that would prompt people to buy copies of the paper. In other words, truth was sacrificed, a victim to profit.

There were some benefits to this kind of muckraking. Corruption and incompetence were ruthlessly exposed, and some good causes were adopted, even if the stories were pushed unethically.

One cause adopted by both papers in the 1890s was that of the revolutionaries in Cuba, fighting for independence from Spain. The rebels were cast in the same mold as the patriots who fought for American independence. Spanish atrocities were played up; rebel atrocities were ignored. The editorial line was that America should help.

In 1898, the US Navy battleship, the USS Maine, blew up while off Havana, Cuba, killing more than 250 Americans. The cause was never discovered. But the yellow press jumped to the conclusion that the Spanish did it deliberately. “Remember the Maine” became the slogan of the yellow press, driving public opinion toward war.

There were plenty of other factors behind the Spanish-American War of 1898, but the conflict was in part enabled by this barrage of misleading journalism.

teedubbya Offline
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^ cut and paste not mine
frankj1 Offline
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I was there!
frankj1 Offline
#83 Posted:
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two schools of thought regarding the coverage of "events"...Reporting and Recording.
jjanecka Offline
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Looks like Mr. Jones published this on his website today. Friggen hilarious up to abour 4:00. Turns out the guy that CNN targeted didn't even create the meme some dude in Mexico did.

https://youtu.be/mLGohKW21tI
tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
are non disclosure agreements blackmail?

if you disclose this than this will happen


or how about cease and desist arrangements.... we wont do anything this time but if you do it again......

blackmail is not legal


NDA's are signed by choice.
teedubbya Offline
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So this person didn't have a choice?
tailgater Offline
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victor809 wrote:
I'd argue that the statement "reserves the right to publish his identity should any of this change" amounts to blackmail. It's essentially saying "if you don't do this, then this bad thing will happen". But I also think Trump saying "I hope this Russia thing can go away" amounts to trying to influence an investigation. It's important to be consistent.


How nice that you agree obvious blackmail is indeed blackmail.

I guess we should therefore agree with "consistent" opinions regarding Trump.

LOL!

It just keeps getting better.

tailgater Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
So this person didn't have a choice?


You can't be serious.

This han-solo kid is being threatened unless he agrees to an apology and future behavior.

An NDA is offered for review prior to engaging in any agreement. The kid wasn't afforded such a luxury.
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Of course the other side of blackmail is a monetary gain. What does CNN have to gain from his apology and future good behavior? If you can't prove they have anything to gain it's hard to say they're blackmailing anyone
tailgater Offline
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As a noun, blackmail requires the exchange of money.
But as a verb it can simply mean "to force by using threats", etc.

CNN isn't asking for blackmail (a noun).
They are blackmailing (verb) the han-solo loser.

Ask Frank.
He's good wif words.
victor809 Offline
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I believe that might be extortion? "To force using threats"?

But either way it usually requires the end goal being to benefit the blackmailer or extortionist.... at least I think...

I don't know. I started this thinking it was blackmail but TW and Anthony had some compelling arguments against it.
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victor809 wrote:
I believe that might be extortion? "To force using threats"?

But either way it usually requires the end goal being to benefit the blackmailer or extortionist.... at least I think...

I don't know. I started this thinking it was blackmail but TW and Anthony had some compelling arguments against it.



Still with the Russia thing?

Good luck chasing ghosts.
jjanecka Offline
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And no one still picked up on the fact that this hansolo guy wasn't even the right dude? CNN just picked on him for a repost. The didn't even take the time to do the fact checking, they just targeted someone and made a false accusation against him that he created the meme but the meme's originator really lives in a whole other country.
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and lets be reminded that the meme isnt even funny
there are so many better memes out there
teedubbya Offline
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If you blackmail screamers are right we will certainly find out lol.

Tail you conveniently grabbed on to the nda (which would be on cnns end and would dissolve given actions on the other end ) but ignored the concept of cease and desist in my same post.

Neither is pure in its application here it was meant as concept.

Blackmail isn't something that is remotely close to applicable here in my opinion and is actually drama queen Alex jonesish.

I also don't think the meme is what the family wants hidden. It's all the other crap he posted.


Meh.

Probably with lawyers involved......

We are going to report on you and your actions. Please don't, It's not who I am and I'll stop. Ok it's a deal but if you break your end of the deal we will go ahead with our story. And we will report we have an agreement in place right now without naming you. This is all in the light of day.
teedubbya Offline
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Maybe if he didn't post bigoted crap he wouldn't be in this situation.

But now the poor baby is all out of choices and being blackmailed and the many of you are rushing to his defense.

So what is expected is bigoted posting dudes identity is found by CNN. They contact him, which is routine, to tell him they are reporting it and giving him a chance to respond. He says please don't, it's not who I really am.

Now the dude either agrees to stop and the story gets stopped at his request (and fake blackmail exists rather than a deal), the story gets reported immediately,or since he asked them to kill the story he can still continue posting that crap but they must abide by his wishes because he said so, they didn't report immediately, and only his side of the deal matters? Blackmail doesn't pass the laugh test.

Sometimes the bad guy (CNN) has the solid legal footing and the good guy (the apparent bigot who wants to hide behind anonimity/cbid hero of the day ) isn't. It's a deal, not blackmail.

It's not the meme. Tons of them out there. It's the president tweeting it that started this. And the dudes other posts seem to be the issue. CNN sucks but this isn't a guy I can rally behind and the blackmail silliness is just dumb. He can continue to post and they can report on it. They both have choices.
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Jj... I read it was his meme, but improved. Someone was an intermediary between him and Trump... this unknown person cropped and added sound or something like that.
jjanecka Offline
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Either way picking on a 15 year old is crap regardless of his views.
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I mean as much as I've trolled in video games, online forums, and just real life stupidity really I'm surprised that I've never been an Internet meme or ever had media backlash. Lmao
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... it's not a 15 year old... it's a middle aged man. I thought we addressed this.

And I'm seeing what the problem is. You're jealous you didn't get dozed by cnn...
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