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So who here thinks the Mexican border wall has merit?
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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 8:03 AM EST
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If it decreases drug traffic I will be satisfied. Decreasing illegal aliens crossing the border would be a bonus.
jjanecka Offline
#2 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 8:09 AM EST
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I thinks it's more a protective measure against terrorism and cartels than anything.

No qualms with the majority of Latin Americans coming in, they mostly Christian, will take any job, and have common beliefs/values.

It's just the santa muerta types, drug cartels, and muslims that we need extra security for. They need to do the same with Canada.
gummy jones Offline
#3 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 8:33 AM EST
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A physical barrier, coupled with increased patrol and real penalties should do something.
Speyside Offline
#4 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:08 AM EST
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Muslims are our friends, they don't support radical terrorists, wearing burkas is to be respected. Wait, Obama is no longer president, I don't have to say stuff like that any more.
DrafterX Offline
#5 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:23 AM EST
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Think
Can we build da wall on the other side of the river..?? How will the coyotes get a drink of water..?? Huh
ZRX1200 Offline
#6 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:33 AM EST
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Just the threat has lowered illegal crossings 74%
DrafterX Offline
#7 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:44 AM EST
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Yep... Would have doubled with Hillary... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#8 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 3:04 PM EST
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In reality, it's not practical...it's too costly, would hurt many Americans along the border, and may not be an effective deterrent. Other less costly border security measures have been shown to work: electronic surveillance supported by increased patrol presence especially.

As deterrents go, you can't beat the job Trump has done to drive down the number of illegal crossings: just call Mexicans bad names, say they are one cause of all our problems, ramp up fear and hatred on both sides...and throw a whole lot of em in jail while checking to see if they are legal or not...didn't cost a dime...
bgz Offline
#9 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 3:50 PM EST
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I would guess sensory turrets that detect bipeds and animals that walk on all 4s but with the ground contact points half way down the leg on the hind quarters would be significantly more effective.

The wall plus turrets would probably be highly effective. Most importantly though, automated turrets are really friggin cool n stuff.
DrafterX Offline
#10 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 4:32 PM EST
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Catapults... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#11 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 8:13 PM EST
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so if many fly in and overstay, how tall would the wall need to be?
ducati996 Offline
#12 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:34 PM EST
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I like our fearless leader's transparency concept.....all those 60 pound bags of drugs flying over the wall can be VERY dangerous.....LOL.....yeah...this IS the leader of the free world. Come on, how can the rest of the civilized world take us seriously..really...
ducati996 Offline
#13 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:37 PM EST
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We need to remember....the rest of the world.....for the most part....has sane leadership..


This guy is the poster child for Article 25....
ducati996 Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:42 PM EST
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Unfortunately, Pence is just as whacked.....separation of church and State....
frankj1 Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 9:47 PM EST
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Pence is the reason I'm hoping Trump normalizes.
DrafterX Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:17 PM EST
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You realize the alternative was Hillary right..?? Huh
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:21 PM EST
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Just curious... Would you be praising her or complaining about her..?? I'm wondering if complaining about who ever is in charge is the norm... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:25 PM EST
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It was no secret Hillary was gonna raise your taxes... She was also gonna grant citizenship to illegals... In exchange for votes of course... Is that what you wanted..?? Huh
frankj1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:32 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
It was no secret Hillary was gonna raise your taxes... She was also gonna grant citizenship to illegals... In exchange for votes of course... Is that what you wanted..?? Huh

I did not vote for her...and I do not like Trump.

Amazing.
frankj1 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:34 PM EST
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and the wall is idiotic
DrafterX Offline
#21 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:35 PM EST
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I understand... But he is our leader... I just wish the effort to discredit him was put towards helping him... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#22 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:39 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I understand... But he is our leader... I just wish the effort to discredit him was put towards helping him... Mellow

he really needs to act like the leader of the free world and stop the lunacy.
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:49 PM EST
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He isn't all bad... We just hear more about the bad stuff... Our local Rep is also be my vet... I told him Trump needed to lose the tweeter thing... He agreed... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#24 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 10:55 PM EST
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Nobody talks about how much their 401s are taking off... Or the job reports... Let's just figure out a way to impeach the Bassard...
He hasn't done what he promised. .. how fast is he supposed to get things done..?? He's barely been in office 6 months... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#25 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 11:08 PM EST
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He said day 1, easy, beautiful, huge. I'm glad about the 401s as I was under Obama. The job reports are similar too, they were just fake before he came in to office. President Tard deserves just as much credit as he gave.
teedubbya Offline
#26 Posted: Sat, Jul 15 2017, 11:08 PM EST
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The wall would be a fitting legacy for President Tard
deadeyedick Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 7:30 AM EST
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The short answer to the question is the resolve of our government to enforce our immigration laws is even more effective. The wall means nothing without it.
jjanecka Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 7:55 AM EST
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I'm cool with him tweeting whatever the hell he wants. He leveraged the Russia thing in order to have the legislation for the wall pass through as quiet as possible. It was a brilliant strategy. I bet we'll see more "nonsense reporting" as he continues to rally congress to pass other laws.

This wasn't a "better of two evils" situation, for me, it was a situation of which candidate will do the most good.

The things I believe in, cutting foreign aid, dropping out of the environmentalist race, deregulating industry, and creating an even playing field for small businesses to be able to thrive and compete, leveraging an alliance with Russia to be able to keep Europe from trying to bully the US. Those ideals are what I stand for politically.

Even the border wall and the new border patrols are a great thing. Trump will increase the size of the Texas Navy so that it has to tools to combat the cartels and make the valley a safer place to grow crops and do business like it used to. Mexico as a whole is starting to calm down now that in office. The world as a whole is starting to calm down now that he's in office.

Even states are looking into voting healthcare into legislation, the way it should be. This federalised nonsense will eventually run us into the ground.

Could it be that people don't like him but they actually respect him?
DrafterX Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 10:08 AM EST
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Prolly not... People follow their Hollywood heros... Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#30 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 10:27 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The wall would be a fitting legacy for President Tard



Yes....kind of like Homosexual " marriage " is a fitting legacy for Bath House Barry
teedubbya Offline
#31 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 11:04 AM EST
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Ok
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 11:05 AM EST
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Leveraged Russia thing, brilliant strategy LMAO

I hope you are kidding

Lolololol
MACS Offline
#33 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 2:25 PM EST
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I support it, of course. If your neighbor allowed his dog to crap in your yard... would you not build a fence?

Strong fences make for better neighbors.
frankj1 Offline
#34 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 7:11 PM EST
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but what if he had a flying dog?
tailgater Offline
#35 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 7:25 PM EST
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I used to drink at a bar called the flying dog.
teedubbya Offline
#36 Posted: Sun, Jul 16 2017, 7:26 PM EST
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Isn't that drafters favorite movie? Crouching homo flying dog?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#37 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 6:07 AM EST
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Gun turrets, Predator drones and landmines.


Catapults are for AFTER we caught them.


You want transparency...there ya go. Except for the little signs...written in only English that you're getting ready to enter a death zone...no walls to spray paint, crawl over or fix. Just wide open spaces to gaze upon a target rich environment that willingly bitches about what we're thinking about doing on our southern border while they themselves have the same treatment on THEIR southern border...WITH prisons!!!


It's gonna be yuge!!!
DrafterX Offline
#38 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 8:22 AM EST
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Nobody complains about China's wall... Mellow
SteveS Offline
#39 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 8:56 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
The short answer to the question is the resolve of our government to enforce our immigration laws is even more effective. The wall means nothing without it.


And there you have it ... with the resolve to enforce the law, the wall isn't necessary ...

but, we have no such resolve ... the libs are in favor of an open border since the illegals have demonstrated the willingness to vote Dem come election day ... as a point of clear fact, the despicable Nancy Pelosi actually said in an interview that she was willing to go to the border and welcome the "undocumented immigrants" with open arms ...
DrafterX Offline
#40 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 10:31 AM EST
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Well, I heard Trump promised to go to Mexico and welcome them back... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#41 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 11:08 AM EST
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The fact illegals can't vote prolly doesn't matter. Lol
delta1 Offline
#42 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 12:11 PM EST
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...nobody thinks about the tunnels...even El Chapo has forgotten about a lot of them...one of his henchmen will prolly pop up like a mole in the White House some day...
TMCTLT Offline
#43 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 12:55 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The fact illegals can vote prolly doesn't matter. Lol





FIFY

It certainly doesn't to many.....
teedubbya Offline
#44 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 1:24 PM EST
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Since it's not true prolly not
TMCTLT Offline
#45 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 1:37 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Since it's not true prolly not



http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Do-Non-Citizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf

http://humanevents.com/2011/04/06/thousands-of-illegal-aliens-voted-in-colorado/

From a www.Western Journalism piece:

We are now hearing about millions of green cards being ordered by the federal government as the Obama administration prepares to use executive action to thwart our system of government and get even more illegal immigrants into the country. This means more illegal votes, more power for Democrats, and more chances for the Leftist party to steal from our government’s coffers while they harass and intimidate the political opposition with the people’s own federal agencies.
TMCTLT Offline
#46 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 1:46 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
he really needs to act like the leader of the free world and stop the lunacy.



@ least he's not touring the globe apologizing for our entire country to the Jackel's of the World...

that there was lunacy if'n yous ask me.
teedubbya Offline
#47 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 2:06 PM EST
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TMCTLT wrote:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Do-Non-Citizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf

http://humanevents.com/2011/04/06/thousands-of-illegal-aliens-voted-in-colorado/

From a www.Western Journalism piece:

We are now hearing about millions of green cards being ordered by the federal government as the Obama administration prepares to use executive action to thwart our system of government and get even more illegal immigrants into the country. This means more illegal votes, more power for Democrats, and more chances for the Leftist party to steal from our government’s coffers while they harass and intimidate the political opposition with the people’s own federal agencies.



LMAO umm... you do realize the Obama admin is not preparing any executive actions and illegals can not vote.


I needed the laugh though
TMCTLT Offline
#48 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 2:16 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
LMAO umm... you do realize the Obama admin is not preparing any executive actions and illegals can not vote.


I needed the laugh though




It's the least I can do in return for all the laughs you've provided over the years. And I find your inability to believe that they HAVE participated in our elections....sad. Very naive IMHO
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#49 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 2:17 PM EST
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Illegals cannot vote.

There is no credible evidence that illegals have voted in any substantial volume. Pulling old **** up that's been disprove in the past is just dumb.
TMCTLT Offline
#50 Posted: Mon, Jul 17 2017, 2:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Illegals cannot vote.

There is no credible evidence that illegals have voted in any substantial volume. Pulling old **** up that's been disprove in the past is just dumb.




Credible according to whom? let's face it...unless it's disseminated by a certain source...you'll never believe it anyway. After all your one of those who think requiring a DL or other picture ID to vote is " putting road blocks in place ".....while ALL THESE ILLEGALS seem to get one with no trouble whatsoever. Stop lying to yourself, they DO participate...the only Q is to what extent.
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