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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/30/illegals-in-virginia-registered-vote-in-elections/

Not to mention the cities across the U.S. who now refuse to follow Federal Law and contact the appropriate Immigration office when they have an Illegal Invader who either HAS ALREADY broken another law other than being here Illegally and is now subject to deportation OR was already deported and they have ILLEGALLY returned.
I would like to see the voting public RECALL those mayors / governors et all who refuse to uphold our immigration laws and they should be jailed initially and long term......prevented from EVER holding another office position.
These elected officials thinking they can cherry pick and uphold only the laws they agree with are Law Breakers themselves and should be treated as such.

My buddy's grandma has all the grandkids absentee ballots sent to her house and fills them in herself... and she's Mexican, so you know she gots herself some grandkids....

Sounds pretty irrelevant to me.

Not reading the article doesn't absolve the facts that illegals DO IN FACT vote.

The "study" being referenced in that article is literally illustrated with pictures of space aliens.

Jesus... when I say credible I expect at minimum not a children's popup book.

Oblong headed aliens.

@ the very least it's a brown herring of sorts....that floated illegally up the Rio Grande on a bale.

I think even Trump knows that the wall was and is just a political device to get votes.

Okay. I read the OP and it doesn't deal in any way with TRUMP backing away from building the biggest, best physical wall.

Too bad so many consider our countries border to be something that is simply symbolic....otherwise they'd perhaps see the need for something. Rather that something is along the lines of DMV's gun turrets / landmines and drones or Trumps wall or something altogether different, IMHO we cannot continue to ignore this problem. It's not just Mexican / Central and S American folks who realize how soft our borders are.

I dunno.... she's in the country illegally and votes... several times each election cycle... she's good at it too... guesses right like 90% of the time... but she's filling out like 12 of those ballots, so she diversifies her guesses on the closer stuff...

I said she was Mexican... figured you'd connect the dots... we're not really friends... I'm deep under cover... for the Mexican government... busting these unpatriotic cowards one at a time....

He didn't say mexican-american... That shoulda been your clue...

Opel using your example 12 year olds probably vote.

so, you're ok with it as long as it's not latege scale or systematic..?? got it... but you're admitting it happens...

Nope. Not at all. Throw the 12 year old and their parents in jail when you catch them.

Just don't vilify or blame all 12 year olds or spend millions or billions trying to solve an issue that doesn't exist for purely political reasons to stoke the 12 year old outrage fire.

And 12 year olds still can't vote.

So you cannot or won't answer my questions? That's okay, there is no GOOD answer and we both know it. Your sure of what you WANT to believe and I can respect that.....to some degree. Oh and nothing like taking the conversatin in some other direction in order to deflect, you are World class in this area. Your sure Barry was born here because you won't allow yourself to believe otherwise and take what your told to believe to be the Final word.

Keep in mind anyone who's ever been around any number of illegals (I have been around a few) knows they live paranoid lives and tend to stay as far away from the government and government officials as they can. They want to remain invisible.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule but nothing wide spread.

Then there is the fact that even the legal Hispanic voting block historically votes in numbers much smaller than other groups.

The thought that illegals who can not vote somehow not only vote but do so in large numbers and are any party's voter base is laughable. Even those stoking those flames know that but the issue works for a certain part of the base. You know, the obama is Muslim crowd.

Ban all 12 year olds!

do you live in a sanctuary city..??

Get rid of the sanctuary cities. I'm actually for that. Illegal is illegal to me. Treat it according.

But drafter I don't know. Possibly. I'll find out.

Migrant workers are big here but so is an illegal labor force in the city.

All that aside I've seen nothing to convince me it's a voting issue. Definitely an issue, just not a voting issue.

Ship them all home. I sincerely mean that. That doesn't mean I have to accept falsehoods to accept or support that. The nonsense actually cheapens things.

No deflection at all. Actually directly about the subject. Maybe you don't know what deflection means?

Even though you accuse me of listening to one party or the other that is not what I base my opinion on. I'm using my own experiences and perceptions and absolutely not listening to the politics although at the end I am rejecting one narrative based on my experiences until proven otherwise.

My direct experience simply doesn't jive with what you are trying to say. Both my professional and personal experiences say otherwise and the narrative doesn't add up.

I do have more experience with illegals than I'm comfortable with. Even though I think they should be sent home I still balance that with the tenants of my church and basic human mercy. I've done some work through my church and a local women's shelter (not connected and I volunteered separately) where I ran on to the illegal issue. My experience is they are hesitant to reach out for basic human help or to give any information for fear of deportation. I even met a naturalized citizen who was the same way for fear of losing citizenship.

In my work I saw much the same thing. They avoid the government like the plague. I suspect that's what sanctuary cities however misguided are trying to get past.

I could be wrong, but those are my direct experiences from which I digest additional information. Maybe you have direct experiences with illegals voting rather than what you've read in a blog or from a specific party. Good on you. They just don't jive with what I've seen.

Couple all that with absolutely no empirical evidence and for now I think what I think. Prove me wrong and I'll certainly change my mind.

I'm not convinced this is a problem that warrants any significant amount of resources for a solution. Enforce current laws. Send them home. Concentrate on getting them out. That's logical to me.

The voting angle isn't.

You

The last plant I worked at, the department of weights and measures sent some guys out to check our scales... they showed up and they were dressed a bit like la migra... the second I escorted them inside the plant, I look over my shoulder and Mexicans are jumping out of the loading dock doors and running to their cars... kinda sad but funny...