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So, Let's remove Statues but teach about Riots..??
victor809 Offline
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He did... how do you think he burned the south down so easily.
bgz Offline
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Ewok126 wrote:
Skype, Discord............. Each is free and comes with the ability to even use a camera so as to see each other while drinking the beer and smoking a good cigar during the discussion live. We will call it the Virtual Herf Debate. Need me to set up a room for you in Discord let me know lmaooooo. Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall


Sounds like a gamer to me.
teedubbya Offline
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victor809 wrote:
He did... how do you think he burned the south down so easily.



the laser beam eyes?


he at least let Atlanta evacuate first.... the city of tulsa did not let folks leave or warn them. And you could read about Sherman's glorious march to the sea forever.... Tulsa not so much until recently
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bgz wrote:
Sounds like a gamer to me.



LOL not quite, I use to make 3D models for games with a friend of mine years ago for extra cash. I would make the mesh and he would make the skins or graphics. We would sale them to game companies. That is how we would communicate. fog I guess you could say I made money off of Gamers.
bgz Offline
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Interesting. Wonder if you made any models for any of the games I've played.
teedubbya Offline
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did you just ask if he made your dill doe?
bgz Offline
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teedubbya wrote:
did you just ask if he made your dill doe?


Actually, I'm pretty sure he did... big game hunter Halloween edition... there was a deer dressed like a pickle.
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teedubbya wrote:
did you just ask if he made your dill doe?



Lmaoooooooooooo Well.........

I doubt it. The two companies I have done work for was There.com and Fortera Inc. Both was a 3d virtual world environment. There.com was an MMO civilian side and Fortera was for training military, medical, Emergency rescue using the Olive Client. It was fun but long long hours lol. All that I had done was just for spending cash and such. An extra 5 to 6 hundred bucks a month. It helped put groceries on the table here and there lol.
delta1 Offline
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Another despicable event in America's long history of oppressive and violent behavior towards minorities by whites in effort to maintain and exert their dominance. American history books, mostly Euro/white-centric, avoid describing them, in effort to keep them hidden from view. Why do conservatives get so outraged when any of these actual events are brought out in the open?

And yet any time there is a Black Panther or BLM sighting, it is broadcast negatively all over the conservative news cycle...while when the KKK and white supremacists march, they are shown in a positive way... portraying them as victims exercising their 1st Amendment right while being "attacked" by Antifa...

kinda shapes the narrative and reinforces beliefs for a broad section of the audience



Other examples of actual events hidden from the books:

Mexican Repatriation 1929-1936 (eerily similar to what could happen if the haters get their way with DACA) when 2 million people, about 60% who were young American citizens with Mexican heritage were forcibly loaded onto trains and sent to Mexico. Most did not have any ties to Mexico...

Chinese Massacre in L.A. 1871, seventeen Chinese were killed in LA's Chinatown by a white mob...

These two events occurred when economic times were difficult for all, and nativists blamed the "outsiders"...sound familiar?

Should I mention that "Republican" is the party of Lincoln?
bgz Offline
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Ya Al, I have to side with the libs on this one ;)

Boils down to my belief that history should be taught as accurately as possible without sugar coating it.

Accurate history is important.
DrafterX Offline
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Side with the libs..?? Why is this political..?? Huh
bgz Offline
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Well, it is in the politics section.

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I'm for all history being taught. I'm also tired of the senseless whining about history. Too many people butt hurt about crap that happened generations ago. Sick of the sjw's and their patrons playing the victim. As long as we have too sides picking fights with each other there will never be any healing. As such I predict that within 200 years everyone realizes we all need to get along or, we will have another civil war.
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I agree Anthony. Too much senseless whining about taking down a statue memorializing a side of a war which was morally wrong and fortunately lost.

Wish these sensitive sally's would just stop crying about it. The nation will never heal as long as they keep crying that their losing generals need some sort of memorials. They've been playing the victim constantly...
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victor809 wrote:
I agree Anthony. Too much senseless whining about taking down a statue memorializing a side of a war which was morally wrong and fortunately lost.

Wish these sensitive sally's would just stop crying about it. The nation will never heal as long as they keep crying that their losing generals need some sort of memorials. They've been playing the victim constantly...



That and douches like you baiting them.
bgz Offline
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but he's a master baiter.
Abrignac Offline
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bgz wrote:
but he's a master baiter.


As opposed to a corn holer?
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Or a cork soaker.. Mellow
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Hey... this whole thing became an issue because some sensitive snowflakes were hurt that a city council (elected officials)had decided a city no longer needed a statue and park commemorating a general who fought to destroy the United States of America, replace it in its entirety with "the confederate states" and make slavery legal throughout (at least in regards to black people)...

These sensitive snowflakes got butthurt... held a protest where they marched with nazi flags and screamed antisemitic phrases (I'm not sure why). When people shouted back at them and counter protested one of them was such a sensitive little baby he had to run a bunch of people down with his car.

The statues or parks or any of that b.s. never belonged in the USA to begin with. They are literally statues to generals who tried to destroy our nation, and who ultimately fought a war to try to bring slavery back to the entire country. With zero good reason for them ever to have been erected in the first place, the bar for removing them should be pretty low... like "it blocks the sun for this patch of grass" low...
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victor809 wrote:
Hey... this whole thing became an issue because some sensitive snowflakes were hurt that a city council (elected officials)had decided a city no longer needed a statue and park commemorating a general who fought to destroy the United States of America, replace it in its entirety with "the confederate states" and make slavery legal throughout (at least in regards to black people)...

These sensitive snowflakes got butthurt... held a protest where they marched with nazi flags and screamed antisemitic phrases (I'm not sure why). When people shouted back at them and counter protested one of them was such a sensitive little baby he had to run a bunch of people down with his car.

The statues or parks or any of that b.s. never belonged in the USA to begin with. They are literally statues to generals who tried to destroy our nation, and who ultimately fought a war to try to bring slavery back to the entire country. With zero good reason for them ever to have been erected in the first place, the bar for removing them should be pretty low... like "it blocks the sun for this patch of grass" low...



It's **** like this that fans the flame. Get your facts straight.
victor809 Offline
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Where am I wrong?
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victor809 wrote:
Where am I wrong?


Who invaded who? Spread slavery to all states? Fought to destroy a nation?

I would expect you to know better. Guess not.
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I never stated who invaded who. I don't think that's relevant (you may)
The instant they declared secession they attempted to destroy the nation. Whether they had troops or not.
The confederate state constitution made a point of stating that slavery is legal in all territories of the confederacy AND made a point in the same article of stating that all new states and territory conquered "negro slavery" is recognized and protected.

If that doesn't count as attempting to spread slavery to all the state's I don't know what does.
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I simply don't understand why anyone would ignore this information. It's there in writing.

But instead everyone puts more stock in fictionalized tales and the "thoughts and feelings" of the generals... "oh... he didn't really want to destroy America, he just wanted to fight for his home state!" Well... his home state wrote a documebt which said it was leaving America. In that document in writing it stated it was leaving because it loved having slaves. It then joined a confederacy which wrote a document which stated "we love having slaves and we want to make sure that every territory we control now or in the future let's us have negro slaves"...

There isn't any interpretation here. They wrote it clearly ... they were very literate men... this isn't like one of trumps bull**** tweets where it can be interpreted 5 ways because he doesn't know how to string a coherent sentence together.

Too many people like to put more weight on personal letters and use that to interpret what they thought their romanticized southerners may have felt about the whole thing. They aren't putting enough weight on the very simple fact that the government they chose to fight for and defend explicitly stated what it wanted to continue doing to blacks across the entire nation.

Yet this is the same group that claims the other side worried too much about feelings.
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victor809 wrote:
I never stated who invaded who. I don't think that's relevant (you may)
The instant they declared secession they attempted to destroy the nation. Whether they had troops or not.
The confederate state constitution made a point of stating that slavery is legal in all territories of the confederacy AND made a point in the same article of stating that all new states and territory conquered "negro slavery" is recognized and protected.

If that doesn't count as attempting to spread slavery to all the state's I don't know what does.



At the time there were no precedents regarding secession. The confederate states chose to secede. Instead of litigation they were invaded when the declared sovereignty.

In their articles they stated that slavery would be allowed for new territories That's not the same as saying they are going to conquer the northern states and force slavery on them.

You've taken things waaaay out of context of the times. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So when people on one side conjure up the worst case scenario of events that happened generations ago and then disparage people who view things differently we have what we have now. We have two groups fighting each other.

I don't for a minute agree with slavery. But, I've much more to worry about than people using events of a bygone era to force an agenda on people who had absolutely nothing to do with said events when you do you end up with what we have now.

Certain groups of people are going to hate other people. It's been like that since the dawn of man. Some people are smart and mouth to see that. Some are. It and some would use that to benefit themselves at the expense of others.


That's the difference between you and I. I try to get along where I can. You wear your feelings on your sleeve.

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Anthony... don't be obtuse. The constitution of the confederacy isn't going to state they will conquer the northern states. That's simply not something you can put in a constitution and have it make sense. But where do you think these additional territories will come from? It has to come from either a state or territory of the union...

And I find your victim game funny. You're claiming someone is using "events from a bygone era to force an agenda on" ... some people. Who? Where? Who is forcing what agenda on you? Not having statues commemorating the heroes of the side that lost isn't "forcing an agenda" that's just common sense... seems like actually constructing those types of statues or memorials is much more an agenda driven concept.

As for your "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"... why didn't you apply that concept to the construction of the monuments in the first place? I know you weren't there, but a logical person would say "hey... I wonder what the reaction from one group would have been regarding race relations if we put a statue up commemorating soldiers who fought to defend the institution of slavery?"...
To be fair I think that was intentionally taken into consideration. But you don't seem to want to apply it there.
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DrafterX wrote:
Or a cork soaker.. Mellow

my man!
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Abraham Lincoln took a bullet in da head... I would call that a loss... Mellow
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DrafterX wrote:
Abraham Lincoln took a bullet in da head... I would call that a loss... Mellow

first Jewish President...shot in da Temple
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Poor Bassard... Sad
teedubbya Offline
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Using some of the logic in here Lincoln getting shot and killed isn't that big of a deal. He'd be dead now anyway so in that regard it really doesn't make a difference and everyone should just let it go.
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So, anyone who got themselves shot doesn't deserve a memorial... Got it... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
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Well, during the time they would have normally been living I suppose it would be ok, but after the would have been a hundred or so and there'd be dead anyway then it doesn't make a difference anymore.

And stuff
DrafterX Offline
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So I can finish my popsicle stick John Lennon memorial..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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Do it fast. Once ringo and Paul are gone we can assume Lennon would have been too. Then there's no difference anymore.
DrafterX Offline
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What if they get shot..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
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Doesn't make much difference at this point.

If you don't live in NYC or Liverpool your opinion doesn't much matter anyway.
frankj1 Offline
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Jewish New Year coming up, but it sounds like I should stay away from the Temple.
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Kevlar helmet will protect you...
DrafterX Offline
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What if they shoot him in da face..?? Huh
delta1 Offline
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Gotta look AT the target and put the gun-sight on it to get a good shot...ever looked at Frank's face? I heard he's related to Medusa...
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DrafterX wrote:
What if they shoot him in da face..?? Huh

I wear the helmet backwards
teedubbya Offline
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Does it still spit?
DrafterX Offline
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Sounds like a Bloody question... Mellow
delta1 Offline
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just answer the bloody question!!!
DrafterX Offline
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Laugh
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what else should we solve?
delta1 Offline
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well, Drafter still wants a free phone...
DrafterX Offline
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True.. true.. Mellow
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Free service really.. I got a cool phone.. Mellow
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