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Kawak Offline
#401 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:11 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
Did this thread now change to accomplishments and true statements of the Trump admin? I could not have listed any better the items OUR prez has made us proud of!

Really Winning!!! Thanks Bandy!
banderl Offline
#402 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:20 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“What I’ve done is, I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”
banderl Offline
#403 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:20 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I’m the one that saved coal. I’m the one that created jobs. You know West Virginia is doing fantastically now.”
banderl Offline
#404 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:21 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“There is tremendous collusion with the Russians and with the Democratic Party. Including all of the stuff with the — and then whatever happened to the Pakistani guy, that had the two, you know, whatever happened to this Pakistani guy who worked with the DNC?”
banderl Offline
#405 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:21 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“They made the Russian story up as a hoax, as a ruse, as an excuse for losing an election that in theory Democrats should always win with the Electoral College. The Electoral College is so much better suited to the Democrats.”
banderl Offline
#406 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:22 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“They made the Russian story up as a hoax, as a ruse, as an excuse for losing an election that in theory Democrats should always win with the Electoral College. The Electoral College is so much better suited to the Democrats.”
banderl Offline
#407 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:22 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I was for Strange, and I brought Strange up 20 points. Just so you understand. When I endorsed him, he was in fifth place. He went way up. Almost 20 points.”
banderl Offline
#408 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:23 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I was for Strange, and I brought Strange up 20 points. Just so you understand. When I endorsed him, he was in fifth place. He went way up. Almost 20 points.”
banderl Offline
#409 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:24 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I endorsed him [Alabama senate candidate Roy Moore]. It became a much closer race because of my endorsement. People don’t say that. They say, Oh, Donald Trump lost. I didn’t lose, I brought him up a lot.”
banderl Offline
#410 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:24 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We have spent, as of about a month ago, $7 trillion in the Middle East. And the Middle East is worse than it was 17 years ago. … $7 trillion.”
banderl Offline
#411 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:27 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A. I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.”
delta1 Offline
#412 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:38 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,810
"I am not a racist...I am the least racist person..."

his past overt racist behavior and statements prove otherwise...
DrafterX Offline
#413 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:40 PM EST
Joined: 10-18-2005
Posts: 98,560
Speculation... Not talking
banderl Offline
#414 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:46 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We’ve created associations, millions of people are joining associations. Millions. That were formerly in Obamacare or didn’t have insurance. Or didn’t have health care. Millions of people.”
banderl Offline
#415 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:47 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“Now that the individual mandate is officially killed, people have no idea how big a deal that was. It’s the most unpopular part of Obamacare. But now, Obamacare is essentially. … You know, you saw this. … It’s basically dead over a period of time.”
banderl Offline
#416 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:47 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We see the drugs pouring into the country, we need the wall.”
frankj1 Offline
#417 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:48 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,223
banderl wrote:
“Since taking office I have been very strict on Commercial Aviation. Good news - it was just reported that there were Zero deaths in 2017, the best and safest year on record!”

I heard there were zero deaths in the previous 9 years as well.
banderl Offline
#418 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 1:48 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“I like very much President Xi. He treated me better than anybody’s ever been treated in the history of China.”
delta1 Offline
#419 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:03 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,810
Here's a comparison of selected public statements that were reviewed and fact checked for accuracy by PoliFact between Barack Obama and Donald Trump...keep in mind that Obama was president for 8 years, Trump has been in office for a little more than a year...

The PolitiFact scorecard for Barack Obama (8 yr):

True...................123... (21%)
Mostly True.........165 ...(28%)
Half True.............161 ...(27%)
Mostly False..........70 ...(12%)
False....................71... (12%)
Pants on Fire...........9 ...(2%)


The PolitiFact scorecard for Donald Trump (1+ yr):

True .....................22 ...(4%)
Mostly True............58... (12%)
Half True................71... (14%)
Mostly False..........104 ...(21%)
False....................164 ...(33%)
Pants on Fire...........74... (15%)

Trump has more than doubled (228%) the number of lies attributed to Obama in 1/8 the time. The totals are 342 lies by Trump compared to 150 by Obama.

The most astonishing of the numbers is the number of lies compared to the number of factual statements made by Trump: 69% alternative facts compared to 30% actual factuals,..giving him credit for half truths. Truly amazing and deplorable that some people have accepted dishonesty of this magnitude in our highest office...



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/nov/01/principles-politifact-punditfact-and-truth-o-meter/
victor809 Offline
#420 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:16 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
DrafterX wrote:
Speculation... Not talking



Yes. you are correct drafter. Trump's claim that he is "the least racist person" is pure speculation as he has no idea what the racism levels are of the other 7 billion people in comparison to himself.

I'm glad you recognized that trump's statement can be nothing other than a pure lie, simply by the choice of words.

you're finally growing and learning critical thinking drafter... good for you.
victor809 Offline
#421 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:19 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
"And I know more about wedges than any human being that's ever lived, but I'll let you know."

you have got to be kidding... not even trying to be honest any more
victor809 Offline
#422 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:20 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
"I was always the best at what I did, I was the -- I was, you know, I went to the -- I went to the Wharton School of Finance, did well."

Not the best.
victor809 Offline
#423 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:20 PM EST
Joined: 10-14-2011
Posts: 23,866
"I've been, you know, pretty successful in the courts over the years, I've been a very successful person, you can check."

I seem to recall he was not successful with most lawsuits
Kawak Offline
#424 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:26 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
delta1 wrote:
Here's a comparison of selected public statements that were reviewed and fact checked for accuracy by PoliFact between Barack Obama and Donald Trump...keep in mind that Obama was president for 8 years, Trump has been in office for a little more than a year...

The PolitiFact scorecard for Barack Obama (8 yr):

True...................123... (21%)
Mostly True.........165 ...(28%)
Half True.............161 ...(27%)
Mostly False..........70 ...(12%)
False....................71... (12%)
Pants on Fire...........9 ...(2%)


The PolitiFact scorecard for Donald Trump (1+ yr):

True .....................22 ...(4%)
Mostly True............58... (12%)
Half True................71... (14%)
Mostly False..........104 ...(21%)
False....................164 ...(33%)
Pants on Fire...........74... (15%)

Trump has more than doubled (228%) the number of lies attributed to Obama in 1/8 the time. The totals are 342 lies by Trump compared to 150 by Obama.

The most astonishing of the numbers is the number of lies compared to the number of factual statements made by Trump: 69% alternative facts compared to 30% actual factuals,..giving him credit for half truths. Truly amazing and deplorable that some people have accepted dishonesty of this magnitude in our highest office...



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/nov/01/principles-politifact-punditfact-and-truth-o-meter/


Politifact??Full of crap
banderl Offline
#425 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:40 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“When I campaigned, I was very tough on China in terms of trade. They made — last year, we had a trade deficit with China of $350 billion, minimum.”
banderl Offline
#426 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:41 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We lost $71 billion a year with Mexico, can you believe it?”
banderl Offline
#427 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:41 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We lost $71 billion a year with Mexico, can you believe it?”
banderl Offline
#428 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:42 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“$17 billion with Canada — Canada says we broke even. But they don’t include lumber and they don’t include oil. Oh, that’s not. My friend Justin he says, 'No, no, we break even.' I said, ‘Yeah, but you’re not including oil, and you’re not including lumber.' When you do, you lose $17 billion.”
banderl Offline
#429 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:43 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“It’s social media, and it gets out in the world, and the reason I do well is that I can be treated unfairly and very dishonestly by CNN, and, you know, I have — what do have now, John, 158 million, including Facebook, including Twitter, including Instagram, including every form, I have a 158 million people. Reporting just this morning, they said 158 million.”
banderl Offline
#430 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:43 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“One of the things that people don’t understand, we have signed more legislation than anybody — we broke the record of Harry Truman....We have more legislation passed, including the record — was Harry Truman. That’s a long time ago. And we broke that record.”
delta1 Offline
#431 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:43 PM EST
Joined: 11-23-2011
Posts: 28,810
Kawak wrote:
Politifact??Full of crap



There is a middle ground, where the truth usually exists. This resource does a decent job "scoring" the bias of many media sources:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/


It gives a score for most sources of news from left to center to right with points in between. To be well informed, I find it necessary to check the sources, and trust those rated in the center to be most factual. This site rates PolitiFact in the center. It is comforting to all of us to hear stuff that reinforces our world view...but to be honest, we must step out of our comfort zones because "our side" isn't always right or truthful...unless your goal is to be as biased as you care to be...
banderl Offline
#432 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:43 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We have the all-time record for stopping ridiculous regulations, and we’re very proud of that record.”
banderl Offline
#433 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:45 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“That’s one of the reasons the stock market has done, you know, at a record level. It’s a record level. We broke it 84 times this year. The stock market hit a new high 84 times since we won the election on November 8th of last year.”
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Topic: Economy

Source: Remarks

Full story

This is a flip-flop for Trump. Before he was elected, he dismissed the stock-market performance under Obama as “artificial” and “a bubble." Moreover, the U.S. rise in 2017 was not unique. When looking at the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, it’s clear U.S. stocks haven’t rallied as robustly as their foreign equivalents. The stock market rose higher, on a percentage basis, in Obama's first year than Trump's.
banderl Offline
#434 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:45 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“That’s one of the reasons the stock market has done, you know, at a record level. It’s a record level. We broke it 84 times this year. The stock market hit a new high 84 times since we won the election on November 8th of last year.”
Repeated 91 times
Jan 9, 2018Jan 8Jan 7Jan 5Jan 5Jan 3Dec 30, 2017Dec 27Dec 23Dec 20Dec 18Dec 18Dec 14Dec 14Dec 13Dec 12Dec 10Dec 8Dec 8Dec 6Dec 5Nov 30Nov 30Nov 30Nov 29Nov 29Nov 29Nov 29Nov 28Nov 28Nov 23Nov 23Nov 23Nov 15Nov 13Nov 10Nov 7Nov 7Nov 6Nov 5Nov 4Nov 2Oct 31Oct 24Oct 17Oct 16Oct 16Oct 13Oct 11Oct 11Oct 11Oct 11Oct 11Oct 10Oct 7Oct 6Oct 6Oct 5Sep 29Sep 27Sep 26Sep 22Sep 19Sep 6Sep 1Aug 22Aug 15Aug 14Aug 11Aug 4Aug 3Aug 3Aug 2Aug 1Jul 31Jul 31Jul 29Jul 25Jul 24Jul 24Jul 19Jul 15Jul 12Jul 12Jul 6Jul 2Mar 2Feb 28Feb 18Feb 16Feb 16

Topic: Economy

Source: Remarks

Full story

This is a flip-flop for Trump. Before he was elected, he dismissed the stock-market performance under Obama as “artificial” and “a bubble." Moreover, the U.S. rise in 2017 was not unique. When looking at the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, it’s clear U.S. stocks haven’t rallied as robustly as their foreign equivalents. The stock market rose higher, on a percentage basis, in Obama's first year than Trump's.
banderl Offline
#435 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:45 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“Arrests of MS-13 Members, Associates Up 83% Under Trump”
banderl Offline
#436 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:46 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“WOW, @foxandfrlends "Dossier is bogus. Clinton Campaign, DNC funded Dossier. FBI CANNOT (after all of this time) VERIFY CLAIMS IN DOSSIER OF RUSSIA/TRUMP COLLUSION. FBI TAINTED." And they used this Crooked Hillary pile of garbage as the basis for going after the Trump Campaign!”
banderl Offline
#437 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 2:47 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“FBI’s Andrew McCabe, 'in addition to his wife getting all of this money from M (Clinton Puppet), he was using, allegedly, his FBI Official Email Account to promote her campaign. You obviously cannot do this. These were the people who were investigating Hillary Clinton.”'”
Kawak Offline
#438 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:03 PM EST
Joined: 11-26-2007
Posts: 4,025
delta1 wrote:
There is a middle ground, where the truth usually exists. This resource does a decent job "scoring" the bias of many media sources:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/


It gives a score for most sources of news from left to center to right with points in between. To be well informed, I find it necessary to check the sources, and trust those rated in the center to be most factual. This site rates PolitiFact in the center. It is comforting to all of us to hear stuff that reinforces our world view...but to be honest, we must step out of our comfort zones because "our side" isn't always right or truthful...unless your goal is to be as biased as you care to be...


Even Polititfact doesn't buy that. Truth is truth not determined by where it lands on who's scale.

http://www.politifactbias.com/2017/10/can-you-trust-what-media-biasfact-check.html
banderl Offline
#439 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:09 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“So many things accomplished by the Trump Administration, perhaps more than any other President in first year. Sadly, will never be reported correctly by the Fake News Media!”
banderl Offline
#440 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:09 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“Remember, the Republicans are 5-0 in Congressional races this year. In Senate, I said Roy M would lose in Alabama and supported Big Luther Strange - and Roy lost. Virginia candidate was not a "Trumper," and he lost. Good Republican candidates will win BIG!”
banderl Offline
#441 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:10 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“How can FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, the man in charge, along with leakin' James Comey, of the Phony Hillary Clinton investigation (including her 33,000 illegally deleted emails) be given $700,000 for wife's campaign by Clinton Puppets during investigation?”
banderl Offline
#442 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:11 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We’re going to bring back probably $4 trillion from overseas. Nobody knows the exact number, but it’s massive. It will be over $3 trillion; it could be $5 trillion.”
banderl Offline
#443 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:11 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“It’s going to keep companies from leaving our shores and opening up in other countries. They are very dis-incentivized to do that. There’s not — a lot of not a sense to do that. You do that, and I don’t think you’re going to be running your company very well.”

Topic: Taxes

Source: Remarks

Off-shoring of jobs has not halted under Trump -- and in fact experts say the GOP tax bill includes incentives to encourage companies to keep jobs overseas. The legislation fails to eliminate long-standing incentives for companies to move overseas and, in some cases, may even increase them, they say.
banderl Offline
#444 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:12 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“With all my Administration has done on Legislative Approvals (broke Harry Truman's Record), Regulation Cutting, Judicial Appointments, Building Military, VA, TAX CUTS & REFORM, Record Economy/Stock Market and so much more, I am sure great credit will be given by mainstream news?”
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Topic: Miscellaneous

Source: Twitter

Trump, unlike many presidents in their 11th month, has signed major piece of legislation. When Trump issued this tweet, he has signed 96 bills, most of which were minor. That's fewer bills than any president since Eisenhower, according to GovTrack. That puts him in last place among the last ten presidents.
banderl Offline
#445 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:13 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“As you know, we had the largest tax cuts in our history just approved.”

Topic: Taxes

Source: Remarks

Trump’s tax cut would be nearly 0.9 percent of the gross domestic product, meaning it would be far smaller than President Ronald Reagan’s tax cut in 1981, which was 2.89 percent of GDP. Trump’s tax cut, if enacted in law, would be the eighth largest tax cut — and even smaller than two tax cuts passed under Barack Obama.
banderl Offline
#446 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:13 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“As you know, $3.2 trillion in tax cuts for American families, including the doubling of the standard deduction and the doubling of the Child Tax Credit.”
Repeated 1 time
Dec 20, 2017

Topic: Taxes

Source: Remarks

This is an inflated number. Trump is adding all of the provisions in the tax plan that would reduce tax revenues paid by families to the government, but ignored provisions that would increase them, such as elimination of personal and dependent exemptions. When tax increases are included, the tax cut amounts to just $1.5 trillion.
banderl Offline
#447 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:14 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We’re going to bring back our companies. They’ve already started coming back. I think they had certain confidence in me and they figured we were going to get this done. But they have already started.”

Topic: Economy

Source: Remarks

Trump keeps taking credit for projects that were long in the works before he became president. Toyota's decision to build a plant in Michigan is a result of their focus on investing in electric vehicles. The company will still build a plant in Mexico to build a mid-size pick up truck. As far as other companies, Ford’s decision to abandon its plans to open a factory in Mexico and instead expand its Michigan plant. But analysts say Ford’s decision has more to do with the company’s long-term goal — particularly, its plans to invest in electric vehicles — than the administration. It’s easier for companies to find highly skilled workers to build new products, such as electric cars, in the United States than in Mexico. Fiat Chrysler's plan to invest $1 billion for a factory in Michigan had been in the works for more than a year and had nothing to do with Trump. Foxconn considered investing in U.S.-based facilities since 2014, though its initial plans to invest in Pennsylvania didn't pan out.
banderl Offline
#448 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:17 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“Unemployment is at a 17-year low.”

Topic: Economy

Source: Remarks

Trump now uses data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics unemployment rate to say this, which is a flip-flop from his previous claims dismissing the BLS unemployment rate as "nonsense."
banderl Offline
#449 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:23 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“We’re ending the chain migration where, in his case, they say he might have had up to 24 people come in with him, indirectly — aunts, uncles, cousins, grandfathers, grandmothers.”
banderl Offline
#450 Posted: Mon, Jan 15 2018, 3:24 PM EST
Joined: 09-09-2008
Posts: 10,153
“A story in the @washingtonpost that I was close to “rescinding” the nomination of Justice Gorsuch prior to confirmation is FAKE NEWS. I never even wavered and am very proud of him and the job he is doing as a Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. The unnamed sources don’t exist!”
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