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Trump Lawyer Arranged $130,000 Payment for Adult-Film Star’s Silence
frankj1 Offline
#101 Posted:
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I was fabulous in that, btw.

for #99
dstieger Offline
#102 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I was fabulous in that, btw.

for #99



Pretty sure I read a rule somewhere that it is NEVER ok for a straight male to use the word 'fabulous' when speaking of himself
banderl Offline
#103 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Pretty sure I read a rule somewhere that it is NEVER ok for a straight male to use the word 'fabulous' when speaking of himself



Your fellow Wisconsinite, Liberace, used that word all of the time when speaking about himself.
dstieger Offline
#104 Posted:
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and?

He was about as straight as a two lane West Virginia byway
banderl Offline
#105 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
and?

He was about as straight as a two lane West Virginia byway



What are you saying?
delta1 Offline
#106 Posted:
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Pretty sure Trump knows he wasn't wire-tapped, but he never admits he was mistaken so that leaves his supporters out in limbo, still parroting stuff Trump no longer says...even when shown contradictory evidence...oh wait...some of them don't believe in evidence...
banderl Offline
#107 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
Pretty sure Trump knows he wasn't wire-tapped, but he never admits he was mistaken so that leaves his supporters out in limbo, still parroting stuff Trump no longer says...even when shown contradictory evidence...oh wait...some of them don't believe in evidence...



Many of them don't believe in reality.
victor809 Offline
#108 Posted:
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Many of them don't believe in proper English.
victor809 Offline
#109 Posted:
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Many of them don't believe in toothbrushes.
victor809 Offline
#110 Posted:
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Many of them don't believe in exercise.
banderl Offline
#111 Posted:
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Alleged payment to porn star was illegal donation to Trump campaign, watchdog says

The call from Common Cause for criminal prosecution echoes charges against John Edwards.

A watchdog group filed a pair of complaints on Monday alleging that a $130,000 payment reportedly made to a pornographic film actress who claims to have had an affair with Donald Trump violated campaign finance laws.

In submissions to the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission, Common Cause said the alleged payment to Stephanie Clifford — who uses the stage name Stormy Daniels — amounted to an in-kind donation to Trump's presidential campaign that should have been publicly disclosed in its official reports.

An attorney for Common Cause, Paul Ryan, said the payment appeared to be hush money. He compared the situation to the series of events that resulted in the prosecution of former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) over nearly $1 million in payments allegedly made to cover up an affair he had with videographer Rielle Hunter during his 2008 presidential bid.

“The purpose is the heart of all this,” Ryan said. “It’s pretty obvious this payment to Ms. Clifford was intended to keep her quiet just weeks before the election so she would not damage the candidate’s effort to win the election.”
delta1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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I dunno Bro...President Edwards didn't leave much of a mark, did he?
HuckFinn Offline
#113 Posted:
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Nothing like the orange stain this guy's gonna leave
Kawak Offline
#114 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Many of them don't believe in reality.


America’s federal government and its extra-legal Deep State have once again proven to be hopelessly corrupt with the news over the weekend that the FBI lost five months worth of text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. Both are senior FBI officials who, while allegedly engaged in an extra-marital affair, traded a number of disturbing text messages about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump.
The text messages we have so far seen show that, at the highest levels, the FBI has become compromised and politicized due to a partisan loathing of Trump. This included talk of an “insurance policy” already in motion, presumably to destroy Trump should he win the presidential election.



Many believe, and not without cause, that this “insurance policy” is the phony Russian dossier funded in part by the FBI (along with the Clinton campaign). The phony dossier was almost certainly used by the Obama White House to wiretap the Trump campaign under the FISA program.

These lost five months of texts also happen to coincide with the crucial months when the Russian hoax blew up in the media and resulted in the appointment of special prosecutor Robert Mueller.

Although, on its own, the very idea that these crucially important text messages were “accidentally lost” defies belief, what makes this news even more troubling is how frequently the Deep State loses communications that might prove to be inconvenient to the Deep State.

Below (with a big hat tip to @JamesRich1) are four other instances when the same federal government that wants to control our health care said it accidentally deleted communications…


1.Whoops! Hillary Clinton Deletes 33,000 Emails After Receiving Subpoena

On March 4, 2015, Hillary Clinton received a subpoena to turn over all Benghazi-related emails.

Three weeks later, she had 33,000 emails deleted that were on her secret home server.

This was more than two years after she left her job as Barack Obama’s secretary of state.
2.Whoops! Those 30 Subpoenaed Benghazi Emails

Although former-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton assured everyone that she handed over all work-related emails, 30 emails directly related to Benghazi were eventually recovered.
3.Whoops! IRS Executive Lois Lerner’s 24,000 Subpoenaed Emails “Accidentally” Lost

Lois Lerner was in charge of the tax-exempt department of the Internal Revenue Service while that unit persecuted Obama’s political enemies in the Tea Party movement, which basically hamstrung them with blizzards of paperwork, intrusive questions, and anything else that would keep their focus off of political action that might damage Obama’s re-election chances in 2012.



While Congress was investigating the scandal, we learned that — oops! — 24,000 Lerner emails were “accidentally” deleted in 2014, even though congress had issued a subpoena a full nine months earlier ordering the IRS not to delete any communications.
4.Whoops! Hillary Email Archive Lost In the Mail

A 2013 archive of Hillary’s infamous emails was lost in the mail. The archive was on a laptop and thumb drive and just … disappeared.



Just as they did with the four incidents above, our media is doing everything possible to downplay the FBI deleting communications under subpoena. There is nothing our media will not do to protect its fellow ideologues, no matter how corrupt or powerful.

A new poll released today shows that the faith Americans have in both the media and federal government have plunged to record lows. These ongoing governmental cover-ups and our media’s role in aiding and abetting these cover ups (and the fact that no one is ever held accountable) makes clear that only a fool would trust either of these hopelessly corrupt institutions.
frankj1 Offline
#115 Posted:
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opinion pieces?
they make interesting reading, but I have trouble using them for citing facts in a debate when I want to be taken seriously.

wait a minute. you can't be out of cigars already...HA!
tailgater Offline
#116 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
opinion pieces?
they make interesting reading, but I have trouble using them for citing facts in a debate when I want to be taken seriously.

wait a minute. you can't be out of cigars already...HA!


Hey.
Nobody wants to be taken seriously here.
What are you? A noob?


BTW, long overdue getting together.
Maybe head into Pawtucket soon after work? They got some cigar bars now that I left town.

tailgater Offline
#117 Posted:
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delta1 wrote:
I guess it depends on which version of English one prefers...

Trump and his peeps weren't the targets...the Russians who were speaking to them were...US intel were looking into Russian interference in our elections before the dossier came to light...


So they tapped Trump to listen to the Russians?
LOL!
Now we've got a conditional tapping.


Look, I'm not saying the tapping was right or wrong. Or even WHY he was tapped.
Donald Trump is accused of lying about being wire tapped. It's his biggest whopper according to Liberal Daily.
Yet it was true, regardless of the WHY.

That's all I'm saying.
The rest is too boring and everybody has their facts/opinions already decided.
tailgater Offline
#118 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Were any of Trump's conversations with people outside of Russians involved in FISA investigations recorded? If not, he wasn't tapped.

If I called Osama bin Laden to wish him happy birthday years ago and found out the us govt recorded me doing that would you believe me if I claimed I had been wiretapped? No you would say I was an idiot who was just crying for attention.

But no... you believe trumps narrative because you suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. .



To quote Warren Zevon:

Poor, poor pitiful you.


A: wrong. your analogy is weak.
B: you're stealing my line, which equates to "I know you are, but what am I?"

Poor, poor pitiful you.



frankj1 Offline
#119 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So they tapped Trump to listen to the Russians?
LOL!
Now we've got a conditional tapping.


Look, I'm not saying the tapping was right or wrong. Or even WHY he was tapped.
Donald Trump is accused of lying about being wire tapped. It's his biggest whopper according to Liberal Daily.
Yet it was true, regardless of the WHY.

That's all I'm saying.
The rest is too boring and everybody has their facts/opinions already decided.

I could be wrong, but I think you don't follow how Trump may have been tapped...he and/or his posse were actually caught on wire when others were being monitored. Had team trump had no contact, they would not have been recorded.
frankj1 Offline
#120 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Hey.
Nobody wants to be taken seriously here.
What are you? A noob?


BTW, long overdue getting together.
Maybe head into Pawtucket soon after work? They got some cigar bars now that I left town.


I could really use a get together...

toss out a couple of good evenings on your schedule and I'll clear one of them. Can pretty much leave work almost any time in the afternoon these days so maybe even a little early to beat southbound traffic on 95 and/or rt 1/

up to you, but do you want to invite Ed? Haven't seen him since the MAHole Herf.

and don't worry about serious...kawak may not recall but long ago I told him he was very funny. like you, I figure he's he's laughing while typing.

Besides, he posted in the wrong thread.
tailgater Offline
#121 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think you don't follow how Trump may have been tapped...he and/or his posse were actually caught on wire when others were being monitored. Had team trump had no contact, they would not have been recorded.


So Trump wasn't tapped?
Because that's the ONLY thing we're confirming.

Here's the breakdown:

Trump: I was wire tapped.
Libs: No you weren't.
Libs: You lie.
Libs: You're a big fat liar.
Libs: You were never wire tapped and therefore you lie.
Libs: Liar!!!!
Facts: Trump was wire tapped.
Libs: But there were REASONS!!!!!!!



frankj1 Offline
#122 Posted:
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dstieger wrote:
Pretty sure I read a rule somewhere that it is NEVER ok for a straight male to use the word 'fabulous' when speaking of himself

um, Frankie Tripod. King of Straight. Removing sexually assigned roles from neutral items.
Words tremble in my presence.

and I thought it would be funny.
tailgater Offline
#123 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I could really use a get together...

toss out a couple of good evenings on your schedule and I'll clear one of them. Can pretty much leave work almost any time in the afternoon these days so maybe even a little early to beat southbound traffic on 95 and/or rt 1/

up to you, but do you want to invite Ed? Haven't seen him since the MAHole Herf.

and don't worry about serious...kawak may not recall but long ago I told him he was very funny. like you, I figure he's he's laughing while typing.

Besides, he posted in the wrong thread.


Ed is invited.
Every time.
Without exception.

But I ain't trying to coordinate a threeway.

frankj1 Offline
#124 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
So Trump wasn't tapped?
Because that's the ONLY thing we're confirming.

Here's the breakdown:

Trump: I was wire tapped.
Libs: No you weren't.
Libs: You lie.
Libs: You're a big fat liar.
Libs: You were never wire tapped and therefore you lie.
Libs: Liar!!!!
Facts: Trump was wire tapped.
Libs: But there were REASONS!!!!!!!




I'd love to see your collection of The Twist dance records (thought better of saying Chubby Checker).

You know, as do we all, that Trump was claiming there was a specific action by the Obama White House to tape him...which most know can not be done that way...and he ends up walking into a taping session of suspects under surveillance and accidentally gets himself caught.

Not even arguably close to his, well, lies about being the specific ordered target of wire taps.

Which is what everyone else is discussing.

Hope that helps clear it up for ya.
frankj1 Offline
#125 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Ed is invited.
Every time.
Without exception.

But I ain't trying to coordinate a threeway.


Ed has a gun.
and sometimes a gun is just a gun.
victor809 Offline
#126 Posted:
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I don't think tail understands that only one party of a two party conversation needs to be wire tapped for both parties to end up recorded.

This gap in his understanding must be due to tds...

(And no tail. I didn't steal that from you. I use lower case letters to denote the reduction in intelligence). Seems to fit your inability to understand straightforward logical thought better than what you were trying to use it for anyway.
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#127 Posted:
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I can't believe anybody could think this is true.

Trump is a saint and sinless.... just like ---ALL--- of the other presidents before him.

d'oh!


Beer
frankj1 Offline
#128 Posted:
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bs_kwaj wrote:
I can't believe anybody could think this is true.

Trump is a saint and sinless.... just like ---ALL--- of the other presidents before him.

d'oh!


Beer

that is true.
tailgater Offline
#129 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I'd love to see your collection of The Twist dance records (thought better of saying Chubby Checker).

You know, as do we all, that Trump was claiming there was a specific action by the Obama White House to tape him...which most know can not be done that way...and he ends up walking into a taping session of suspects under surveillance and accidentally gets himself caught.

Not even arguably close to his, well, lies about being the specific ordered target of wire taps.

Which is what everyone else is discussing.

Hope that helps clear it up for ya.


No.

Trump has many flaws. Being too specific on twitter isn't one of them.

He cried about wire tapping.

He was wire tapped.

Everything else literally doesn't matter.

I understand the minutiae and I don't necessarily disagree. But it doesn't change the basic facts.


Go back to the day trump tweeted about the wire tap.
NOBODY said "well, if you were then there was good reason".
The ALL said "NO. You were NOT"

Revisionist history is very unbecoming.




tailgater Offline
#130 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
I don't think tail understands that only one party of a two party conversation needs to be wire tapped for both parties to end up recorded.

This gap in his understanding must be due to tds...

(And no tail. I didn't steal that from you. I use lower case letters to denote the reduction in intelligence). Seems to fit your inability to understand straightforward logical thought better than what you were trying to use it for anyway.


Theft aside, you're grasping at straw dust.

Unless you're saying that the feds did not eavesdrop on ANY Trump staffer at ANY time for ANY reason even if by secondhand association during the election cycle then nothing else matters. Trump was correct.

I don't know why anyone would refute this, even when we know it to be true.

So copy and steal and lie all you want.
You own it.
You are the poster child for TDS.

See what I did there?
victor809 Offline
#131 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Theft aside, you're grasping at straw dust.

Unless you're saying that the feds did not eavesdrop on ANY Trump staffer at ANY time for ANY reason even if by secondhand association during the election cycle then nothing else matters. Trump was correct.

I don't know why anyone would refute this, even when we know it to be true.

So copy and steal and lie all you want.
You own it.
You are the poster child for TDS.

See what I did there?


you... "know it's true".

Then tell me. Which trump staffer was actively wiretapped?

Actively wiretapped. Not recorded when they were talking to an exKGB agent involved in arms deals around the world or some bs like that... but actively wiretapped.

As in the FBI or CIA or someone said "I need a recording of every call made from Joe Schmoe's phone"

Tell me who that is and I'll agree with you. Otherwise you're showing your tds.
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#132 Posted:
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Revisionist history is unbecoming.

Read the tweet. It speaks for itself. It was a tantrum, inaccurate, and misleading. It was simply false. If you get to interpret it however loosely you want and have it morph over time then you can’t really bitch about revisionism.


By the way, why is Flynn “Trump” in one context but a minor player he barely knew in another? Same with Manafort or pappawhatever. Are they “trump” or bit players, or whatever is convenient in the compartmenaluzed moment and the dots should never be connected to be whole?
delta1 Offline
#133 Posted:
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Depends on your definition of "Trump was wire-tapped". No. He was not. Neither he nor anyone else in his campaign was a subject of a FISA warrant requesting/authorizing surveillance eaves-dropping.

Trump was never named (unmasked) as someone recorded. Flynn may have been the party on the other end. So, Trump was not wire-tapped.

Here's an illustration: the FBI does a criminal dope-dealing investigation, and has probable cause to suspect Joe Dirtbag is a major drug dealer. It names Dirtbag in a search warrant request, gets the warrant approved by a judge, and conducts surveillance on Dirtbag in accordance with the warrant. Part of the authorization in the warrant is authorized wire-tapping of Dirtbag's phones. Dirtbag uses his phone, on which the FBI is listening in, and calls Jim Dopehead, who was at his father's house. Dopehead says he's selling a few kilos and they arrange a buy. The FBI arrests both Dirtbag and Dopehead during the buy.

Can Dopehead's father legitimately claim that the FBI was improperly wiretapping his phone in an effort to defend his son? NO...this defense has never worked to exonerate a criminal on the other end of an authorized wire-tapped conversation...
victor809 Offline
#134 Posted:
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To bring us on topic (because part of his tds causes people like tail to try to deflect and distract from the topic at hand)

... anyone hear that there is a chance that not only is trump paying porn stars to keep quiet about his cheating on his wife with them... but he isn't even paying them with his own money?

Yeah... he's using the money from his campaign. You know... all those MAGA and Trump t-shirts the rubes bought.

Apparently (and yes, I know this isn't conclusive) trump paid her 130k 1 month before the election. 1 month AFTER the election, $130,888.33 was paid from the Campaign fund to "Trump Tower Commercial, LLC" as "rent"... there were 7 rent payments over the 6 months.

So the cheap **** may be paying his women's hush money with his donor's cash.

HAHAHAHAHA
dstieger Offline
#135 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
To bring us on topic (because part of his tds causes people like tail to try to deflect and distract from the topic at hand)

... anyone hear that there is a chance that not only is trump paying porn stars to keep quiet about his cheating on his wife with them... but he isn't even paying them with his own money?

Yeah... he's using the money from his campaign. You know... all those MAGA and Trump t-shirts the rubes bought.

Apparently (and yes, I know this isn't conclusive) trump paid her 130k 1 month before the election. 1 month AFTER the election, $130,888.33 was paid from the Campaign fund to "Trump Tower Commercial, LLC" as "rent"... there were 7 rent payments over the 6 months.

So the cheap **** may be paying his women's hush money with his donor's cash.

HAHAHAHAHA



Not much of a stretch to consider.....Trump supporters wanted him to be president.....those reported payments would have very directly worked to support that objective....few donors might even raise an eyebrow
delta1 Offline
#136 Posted:
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Similar scandal sank Dem presidential candidate John Edwards a few years ago. Lotsa outrage by cons at the time...their standards for occupants of the Oval Office sure have changed in such a short time...
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#137 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
To bring us on topic (because part of his tds causes people like tail to try to deflect and distract from the topic at hand)

... anyone hear that there is a chance that not only is trump paying porn stars to keep quiet about his cheating on his wife with them... but he isn't even paying them with his own money?

Yeah... he's using the money from his campaign. You know... all those MAGA and Trump t-shirts the rubes bought.

Apparently (and yes, I know this isn't conclusive) trump paid her 130k 1 month before the election. 1 month AFTER the election, $130,888.33 was paid from the Campaign fund to "Trump Tower Commercial, LLC" as "rent"... there were 7 rent payments over the 6 months.

So the cheap **** MAY be paying his women's hush money with his donor's cash.

HAHAHAHAHA

Key word being MAYThink
delta1 Offline
#138 Posted:
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this kinda stuff has a way of coming to the light of day...
frankj1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
No.

Trump has many flaws. Being too specific on twitter isn't one of them.

He cried about wire tapping.

He was wire tapped.

Everything else literally doesn't matter.

I understand the minutiae and I don't necessarily disagree. But it doesn't change the basic facts.


Go back to the day trump tweeted about the wire tap.
NOBODY said "well, if you were then there was good reason".
The ALL said "NO. You were NOT"

Revisionist history is very unbecoming.





you are just so off that it is the most extreme Trump Love ever seen by mankind!

He said that The Obama White House had ordered the wire tapping of him and Trump Tower, not that he or his minions happened to be collateral damage in a taping/tapping session...
had he wandered into a wired room innocently and his voice was picked up, who would he be mad at?
HuckFinn Offline
#140 Posted:
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Alexa?
tailgater Offline
#141 Posted:
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From CNN.

Washington (CNN)US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.
Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team, which is leading the investigation into Russia's involvement in the election, has been provided details of these communications.
A secret order authorized by the court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) began after Manafort became the subject of an FBI investigation that began in 2014. It centered on work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine's former ruling party, the sources told CNN.
The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the sources.
The FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year.
Sources say the second warrant was part of the FBI's efforts to investigate ties between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives. Such warrants require the approval of top Justice Department and FBI officials, and the FBI must provide the court with information showing suspicion that the subject of the warrant may be acting as an agent of a foreign power.

It is unclear when the new warrant started. The FBI interest deepened last fall because of intercepted communications between Manafort and suspected Russian operatives, and among the Russians themselves, that reignited their interest in Manafort, the sources told CNN. As part of the FISA warrant, CNN has learned that earlier this year, the FBI conducted a search of a storage facility belonging to Manafort. It's not known what they found.
The conversations between Manafort and Trump continued after the President took office, long after the FBI investigation into Manafort was publicly known, the sources told CNN. They went on until lawyers for the President and Manafort insisted that they stop, according to the sources.
It's unclear whether Trump himself was picked up on the surveillance.
The White House declined to comment for this story. A spokesperson for Manafort didn't comment for this story.

Manafort previously has denied that he ever "knowingly" communicated with Russian intelligence operatives during the election and also has denied participating in any Russian efforts to "undermine the interests of the United States."
The FBI wasn't listening in June 2016, the sources said, when Donald Trump Jr. led a meeting that included Manafort, then campaign chairman, and Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law, with a Russian lawyer who had promised negative information on Hillary Clinton.
That gap could prove crucial as prosecutors and investigators under Mueller work to determine whether there's evidence of a crime in myriad connections that have come to light between suspected Russian government operatives and associates of Trump.



You can say what you want, but the Fibbies wire tapped Trumps campaign manager. Initially in 2014, but again during the election cycle based on intel that is likely to related to the Dossier. Do your own homework. It's all out there, even from sources that despise the Donald.

banderl Offline
#142 Posted:
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

teedubbya Offline
#143 Posted:
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in my jed clampet voice

piiitttiiifullll


Besides manifort isn't trump. he was a bit player that came in late and didn't do much. just ask them.
delta1 Offline
#144 Posted:
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me ------->horse <---------tail
frankj1 Offline
#145 Posted:
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Joe, it appears you are proving the rest of us have been correct...wrong yellow highlighting may have blurred the facts.

not to mention "It's unclear whether Trump himself was picked up on the surveillance" sort of counters the thin thread to which you cling... He said he was taped. He was taped. What else matters...except you still don't know if he was taped, and the article says he wasn't tapped, certainly at least not up to the time he bellowed falsely about Obama ordering the FBI to do it (again, can't be done that way).

delta1 Offline
#146 Posted:
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yeah!!!


me-------->Frying pan <--------tail
victor809 Offline
#147 Posted:
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Meh. I'll give tail this. He's correct.

the orange f--ktard is incorrect, but when I told tail "Tell me who that is and I'll agree with you.". So he's right. Someone from Trump's campaign was wiretapped.

Trump's claim that it was himself, and that it was because obama has it out for him is pure tripe. But tail is correct that someone from trump's campaign was wiretapped.
banderl Offline
#148 Posted:
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victor809 wrote:
Meh. I'll give tail this. He's correct.

the orange f--ktard is incorrect, but when I told tail "Tell me who that is and I'll agree with you.". So he's right. Someone from Trump's campaign was wiretapped.

Trump's claim that it was himself, and that it was because obama has it out for him is pure tripe. But tail is correct that someone from trump's campaign was wiretapped.



Of course they were, they were speaking to Russians.
If you decide to speak with Russians over the phone, you will be tapped.
BTW, this has nothing to do with the dossier.
delta1 Offline
#149 Posted:
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Manafort (or Flynn) were subjects of FISA warrant requests because they were under investigation...but NOT Trump...

Trump (and tail) said "Obama wire-tapped my phones at Trump Tower" which is a long ride from "someone from Trump's campaign was wiretapped"...


https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/revisiting-trumps-wiretap-tweets/
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banderl wrote:
Of course they were, they were speaking to Russians.
If you decide to speak with Russians over the phone, you will be tapped.
BTW, this has nothing to do with the dossier.


Oh, I don't see any reason to believe it's because of the "dossier"... If I recall that was already debunked.
They were looking into Manafort for something, because he was suspected of being into something the FBI or CIA cared about.

Trump hired sketchy people, (or people who were more sketchy than they were smart to not get caught) and because of it his campaign manager was under an investigation during and after the campaign. I'll buy that.

Trump wasn't wiretapped.
The trump campaign may have had some wiretapping... because they hired a suspected criminal as the campaign manager.

But fair enough, tail's claim that the trump campaign was wiretapped is close enough. Trump's is incorrect
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