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After 8 years or the right saying Obama is going to take away guns
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Buckwheat Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 8:45 AM EST
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Trump wants to limit guns. fog
ZRX1200 Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 9:33 AM EST
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Yeah, well Obama actually did take guns away from seniors and veterans......and you're right about Trump. I will say someone here on this forum mentioned not trusting him because he'd supported an "assault weapons ban" before. Which had zero effect btw. Crime went down after the sunset.
Buckwheat Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 9:43 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah, well Obama actually did take guns away from seniors and veterans......and you're right about Trump. I will say someone here on this forum mentioned not trusting him because he'd supported an "assault weapons ban" before. Which had zero effect btw. Crime went down after the sunset.


When and how did Obama take guns away from seniors and veterans?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 10:41 AM EST
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I guess you missed that.
ZRX1200 Offline
#5 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 11:00 AM EST
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You can see what you want, or don't. The tree still fell in the woods......
Speyside Offline
#6 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 11:02 AM EST
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Z, I think you are right on this. But facts please. Innuendo and snark only go so far. A legitimate question was asked.
cacman Offline
#7 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 11:37 AM EST
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/17/have-a-check-up-why-your-doctor-might-ask-you-if-you-own-a-gun
Buckwheat Offline
#8 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 11:39 AM EST
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Speyside wrote:
Z, I think you are right on this. But facts please. Innuendo and snark only go so far. A legitimate question was asked.


+1
teedubbya Offline
#9 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 11:48 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/17/have-a-check-up-why-your-doctor-might-ask-you-if-you-own-a-gun



Interesting read but nothing to do with Obammy or feds.
deadeyedick Offline
#10 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 12:48 PM EST
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I thought he said if you like your gun you can keep your gun.
DrafterX Offline
#11 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 12:49 PM EST
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It happened under his watch... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#12 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 12:49 PM EST
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And I'm hoping Trump is bluffing... Mellow
Speyside Offline
#13 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 12:53 PM EST
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Yeah, cause better security checks, not selling assault rifles to 18 year olds, and banning bump stocks would definitely break the second amendment.

Sarcasm
cacman Offline
#14 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 1:05 PM EST
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An 18yr old can vote, join the military to be trained with automatic weapons and sent to war to kill people, but can't buy a rifle?

The pure essence of stupidity from our guberment.
Brick wall

If you're going to raise the age to buy a rifle, then raise the age to vote. Think there is a bigger danger in 18yr old millenial's votes than them owning a rifle..
ZRX1200 Offline
#15 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 1:34 PM EST
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You're right.....I just make schit up. ...not like it was posted on the presidentn be hard thread......but yeah I'm always BLUSTERING. I appreciate always being asked to post links. That's cool.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-gun-law-20150718-story.html

http://thehill.com/regulation/317634-house-republicans-block-obama-era-gun-rule

Crazy? You could say that and not bother me, but my memory is just fine.
Buckwheat Offline
#16 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 1:42 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
You're right.....I just make schit up. ...not like it was posted on the presidentn be hard thread......but yeah I'm always BLUSTERING. I appreciate always being asked to post links. That's cool.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-gun-law-20150718-story.html

http://thehill.com/regulation/317634-house-republicans-block-obama-era-gun-rule

Crazy? You could say that and not bother me, but my memory is just fine.


Just asked the question.
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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The President's job is to uphold the Constitution... Until the Constitution is amended you can't confiscate first and due process later...

A huuggge Trump misstep... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#18 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 2:13 PM EST
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Words and actions are very different things with him.. He's done nothing and likely wont.
bgz Offline
#19 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 2:19 PM EST
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I have no problems with bumping the age up to 21 to buy guns. For young men in the military, they will get issued rifles / guns so that's not really an argument.

For avid hunters, shooters and those who are otherwise properly trained, they will undoubtedly already own guns, or have guns from their parents buying them for them.

What it prevents is dumb azz millennials who were dosed up on psych meds because their parents were too fkin lazy to raise them properly from walking in and buying firearms to shoot up their schools.

If they have to wait till they're 21 to buy them legally, then what ever stupid sh17 that set them off will probably have passed by that point, and what ever kids pissed them off will have already graduated.

I actually think it's a pretty sane idea that's not intrusive to the 2nd amendment.

Edit:

In response to cacman, I wouldn't be opposed to raise the voting age either. I actually agree with you on that.
RMAN4443 Offline
#20 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 2:24 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I have no problems with bumping the age up to 21 to buy guns. For young men in the military, they will get issued rifles / guns so that's not really an argument.

For avid hunters, shooters and those who are otherwise properly trained, they will undoubtedly already own guns, or have guns from their parents buying them for them.

What it prevents is dumb azz millennials who were dosed up on psych meds because their parents were too fkin lazy to raise them properly from walking in and buying firearms to shoot up their schools.

If they have to wait till they're 21 to buy them legally, then what ever stupid sh17 that set them off will probably have passed by that point, and what ever kids pissed them off will have already graduated.

I actually think it's a pretty sane idea that's not intrusive to the 2nd amendment.

Edit:

In response to cacman, I wouldn't be opposed to raise the voting age either. I actually agree with you on that.

or they could steal mom's pressure cooker, a box of dad's nails, a couple packs of BBs from Walmart, and some fire works, and get er done right here and now Anxious
bgz Offline
#21 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 3:09 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
or they could steal mom's pressure cooker, a box of dad's nails, a couple packs of BBs from Walmart, and some fire works, and get er done right here and now Anxious


Well, I can think of a lot of ways to do it as well, but why make it ez? At least make the little nut jobs get creative.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#22 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 3:47 PM EST
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cacman wrote:
An 18yr old can vote, join the military to be trained with automatic weapons and sent to war to kill people, but can't buy a rifle?

The pure essence of stupidity from our guberment.
Brick wall

If you're going to raise the age to buy a rifle, then raise the age to vote. Think there is a bigger danger in 18yr old millenial's votes than them owning a rifle..



Very close...my point on this is that a US citizen is entitled to certain rights protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. With the exception of the minimum age to become President there are no age limits to your rights. There shouldn't be to the 2nd Amendment either. There have been children fighting for this nation in several wars and if you can protect this nation at 18...there you go.

That's my take on it. Start putting age restrictions on rights and it'll be 21 before you can exercise free speech. That is NOT the spirit nor intention of the documents.
dstieger Offline
#23 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 4:02 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Start putting age restrictions on rights and it'll be 21 before you can exercise free speech.


As good an idea as I've heard this week!

fog
bgz Offline
#24 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 4:13 PM EST
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Ya DMV, I agree with dstieger, you're not helping your position any.

Most 18 year olds I meet any more are borderline retarded.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#25 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 4:17 PM EST
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Blame the kids or the parents?
bgz Offline
#26 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 4:23 PM EST
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I think I already blamed the lazy azz parents in my above post.
HuckFinn Offline
#27 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 4:52 PM EST
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On Obama's watch (2016)
From:
https://www.snopes.com/social-security-recipients-barred-from-owning-guns/

WHAT'S TRUE
A new Social Security Administration rule would add Social Security disability recipients who have been deemed unable to manage their own affairs to the federal background check system for gun purchases.

WHAT'S FALSE
All Social Security recipients are not being barred from owning or purchasing guns, and persons affected by the new rule can appeal their inclusion in the background check database.


Although this rule implementation has been reported in some quarters as an attempt to bar all Social Security recipients from gun ownership, it would pertain exclusively to the subset of Social Security disability recipients who have been deemed incompetent to handle their own financial affairs.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 5:30 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


What it prevents is dumb azz millennials who were dosed up on psych meds because their parents were too fkin lazy to raise them properly....


Let's all blame the meds. Then lets blame the need for meds on the parents rather than anatomical abnormalities.
delta1 Offline
#29 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 5:31 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
On Obama's watch (2016)
From:
https://www.snopes.com/social-security-recipients-barred-from-owning-guns/

WHAT'S TRUE
A new Social Security Administration rule would add Social Security disability recipients who have been deemed unable to manage their own affairs to the federal background check system for gun purchases.

WHAT'S FALSE
All Social Security recipients are not being barred from owning or purchasing guns, and persons affected by the new rule can appeal their inclusion in the background check database.


Although this rule implementation has been reported in some quarters as an attempt to bar all Social Security recipients from gun ownership, it would pertain exclusively to the subset of Social Security disability recipients who have been deemed incompetent to handle their own financial affairs.



That was my read from the articles...big difference between the actual proposal and what the critics on the right say it'll do...ZRX repeated what the critics on the right say the proposal will do and fellow cons bought it...


Anybody remember what those same critics said about Obamacare? It'll drive the economy into another depression, will kill millions of jobs, will kill women and children and old people, and is the most destructive policy against civil liberties and individual freedom? 20 million more Americans have healthcare insurance, health coverage is better....most Americans want to keep it.... it's still going...but barely...because of intense efforts by the WH and the GOP to cause it to implode...
bgz Offline
#30 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 5:49 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Let's all blame the meds. Then lets blame the need for meds on the parents rather than anatomical abnormalities.


Well, considering that common side effects of psych drugs/anti-depressants include suicidal / homicidal thoughts and tendencies, doctors handing them out like candy for kick-backs, and lazy azz parents jumping on board to avoid having to do any actual parenting...

Then ya, I think it's not a bad place to put at least some of the blame.

According to some sources, up to 20 percent of all Americans are on some kind of psych med. If 20 percent of the population is an anatomical abnormality, then I think we really need to redefine normal.

I have a hard time believing that that big of a percentage of the population actually need to be on these dastardly little pills.

On another note, sounds like I hit a soft spot :/
delta1 Offline
#31 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:07 PM EST
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if we can grab puzzies like the President, it may get hard again...
teedubbya Offline
#32 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:11 PM EST
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I volunteered for the death panels that absolutely were there because people said so.
Speyside Offline
#33 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:12 PM EST
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No, that's a slippery slope I want no part of. To the best of my knowledge there is no link between senior money mismanagement and mass murder. If you want the government managing another aspect of your life without a very solid reason that is a mistake. Z, thank you for backing yourself up. When you don't I will dog you to. If it pizzes you off then my work is good. BTW, backing yourself up gives you a much stronger position.
teedubbya Offline
#34 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:15 PM EST
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Like doggie?
Speyside Offline
#35 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:19 PM EST
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Al, not wanting undue government involvement into citizens life's is not exclusively a conservative POV.
Speyside Offline
#36 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 6:36 PM EST
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Ah, did kind of pitch that softball. Mind you nothing wrong with doggie style, nothing at all.
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#37 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:11 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The President's job is to uphold the Constitution... Until the Constitution is amended you can't confiscate first and due process later...

A huuggge Trump misstep... Mellow



No man I'm afraid Trump is every bit as bad as Obama on this one. They both view the constitution as a nuisance when it gets in the way of what they want.
drywalldog Offline
#38 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:40 PM EST
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What, the right has a problem with the swamp drainer. Careful what you wish for, you might get it.
drywalldog Offline
#39 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:41 PM EST
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The swamp is still full. There is no wall.. And he is coming for your guns.
drywalldog Offline
#40 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:42 PM EST
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Oh and the stock market?
frankj1 Offline
#41 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:44 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Oh and the stock market?

I heard you went fishin'
nice to see ya.
drywalldog Offline
#42 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:45 PM EST
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I went to swim with the fishes.
DrafterX Offline
#43 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:49 PM EST
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It was a dumb thing to say.. but the Left still won't let it happen.. Trump can't be a hero even if he pushes their agenda... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:49 PM EST
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with a few of your chums?
drywalldog Offline
#45 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:53 PM EST
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Trump couldn't be a hero for anyone but the righties.
DrafterX Offline
#46 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 7:59 PM EST
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Cabela's still sells guns to 18-21 year olds... Cause they're not D^cks... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#47 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 8:01 PM EST
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drywalldog wrote:
Trump couldn't be a hero for anyone but the righties.



True.. he could ban assault rifles and the Left in Congress wouldn't even clap... Mellow
drywalldog Offline
#48 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 8:02 PM EST
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Considering what most posters on here think of kids in that age group, maybe Cabelas is just stupid.
DrafterX Offline
#49 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 8:03 PM EST
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Stupid is as stupid does.. Not talking
drywalldog Offline
#50 Posted: Thu, Mar 1 2018, 8:04 PM EST
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The best part of this is that the right trusted Trump and didn't think he would turn on them.
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