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And that's all you see..??

not that I am a Congressman...don't want to be associated with those do-nothings...but I could prolly muster up a clap...

And Obama did what..??

But Trump better do somethin...

Maybe Dicks doesn't want to sell the next gun a murderer uses to kill say 17 kids.

But if you favor D^cks that's ok..

As much as I want to agree with them I can't, slippery slope as I have stated. I really do have a problem with our government infringing on our rights, even if it is the popular thing to do.

If you look at the statements of many of our founding fathers so did they. To many people want to reinterpret the constitution. Their job is to uphold the constitution.

My only problem was Trump's comment about confiscation before due process.. I'm Ok with stronger background checks.. on da fence with the bump-stocks thing and raising the age... A true sportsman or target shooter doesn't need to be punished.. I was a victim of the alcohol age limit law.. it sucked to have that taken away.. but it didn't stop me from buying beer either..

I saw first hand what the police did to my neighbor. He was living in his house when it was foreclosed on. They came down the street with a six wheel tank with a built in battering ram and blew his front door off its frame. He was in custody in 2 minutes. Don't know what you own that could have stopped that. I like the idea of being able to protect yourself but they are way past that. You're desling with the old knife to a gunfight adage.

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well known lib here, yet also fairly well known that I'm not for taking guns, but I feel there is a hierarchy of rights or they are a meaningless mumbo jumbo.

Before I even begin to worry about protecting rights of gun owners (and I do) I need to know that my right to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is first protected from lunatics claiming the Second Amendment is the Holy Grail...as though no other rights matter. Well they are not only wrong, but they are not in first position either.

Let's just start with LIFE...you want to move past that, then ask the NRA to talk about protecting that first.

The Right To Bear Arms means that. I'm not sold on it meaning any and all arms that will ever be developed.

Why not include nerve gas?

I still have the mandatory wooden dowel that came with any Ithaca 37 shotgun bought in Iowa during the 60s through 80s. Per the law you had to put it in the tube to limit the number of shells you could hunt pheasant etc with. It was intended to limit the culling of the flock etc.

Maybe

Sounds like Drafter wants pictures.

our friendship is built on mutual respect over the years...

but I'll just say again a little differently, Written or implied, all rights are for the living, so that must be assumed first position..

Does one's life give way to other's rights? If yes, then it never enjoys the rights to which it is promised, and further rights are meaningless. This can not be the intent of the framers.

If abuse of the second amendment ends innocent life then it must be tweaked, if we agree that life comes first.

Nerve gas didn't do it for you? How about Victor's beloved yet (missed by most) ironic garage nuke? Where does the right to bear arms end? Does support of the second amendment include Star Wars? Are we not rational people, after all?

There are lines all accept, there are limits all accept, perhaps some movement of the lines and limits to protect some LIFE so Liberty etc. can be enjoyed? Unlimited access to weapons as they are developed was never foreseen.

If the original intent was to ward off oppressive government...that ship has sailed. Bring it into the reality of today and protect individuals rights to Life, Liberty...blah blah blah.

Have guns. Enjoy guns. Feel safer in your home or in public from those who intend harm. We can have that still.

I am so on the edge it is incredible...not sure which way I will fall.

just for fun, though...should we prevent individuals from owning nukes?
If yes, why?
If yes, what else should we prevent?
Why?

In the late sixties they made it illegal for even gun dealors to own machine guns. You had to have a special license for that. You cannot legally turn an Ar 15 to full auto, or a Beretta M9 or any other weapon. A bump stock turns a semi auto into full auto. It maybe a piece of plastic and metal, but it defeats the law. You can find videos on utube how to convert your pistol to full auto or to 3 shot burst auto. If we cannot work on those issues I'm afraid your worst fears may come to fruition.

But Obama said bump-stocks were ok...

Lot of what ifs... But it doesn't change the fact that any mass shooters or even your everyday ordinary murdered is breaking a law... A new law won't stop that... It's just a fact... I wish there was one..

There's always Makarov cocktails or pipe bombs or countless other ways to mass kill.. they are illegal too... Outlawing a so called assault rifle won't do anything.. stronger background checks might help.. people doing their jobs would help also..

I know the difference.. phone text correct thing is to blame...

Interestingly it's perhaps prioritized that way in the Declaration of Independence:
'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness'

What if he hadn’t had access to that gun? I guarantee that it would have been a quadruple homicide. The real problem in America is not guns. It is a disrespect for life, others’ property and others’ rights.

By the way, don't worry about nerve gas, worry about weapons smallpox virus.

that's why neither side can claim certainty on how to define 'arms" today.

You may have misunderstood me a bit earlier. I am not one who wants to take your guns...but Victor always challenges us by saying he doesn't think nukes should be banned...

where is the acceptable line?