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MACS Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Apr 10 2018, 5:07 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
I'm so sorry to hear that, MACS. Is there any treatment options?

David (dpnewell)


Podiatrist says surgery on the plantar fascia only works half the time. The other option (which I do) is cortisone shots. I've had 3 in each foot already.

Left is doing fine for a couple years now. Right doesn't seem to want to resolve...
Bad Mr Frosty Offline
#52 Posted: Wed, Apr 11 2018, 5:02 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
I'm a 60 year old, semi-retired contractor, and have abused my legs and knees over the years. I'm trying to finish my Jersey home and list it so I can get out of the state. About 8 weeks ago, I went to get out of bed after a hard day's work, and could barely walk. After a week of shooting pains down both legs, and weakness in my knees I went to the doc. He ordered X-rays. His conclusion - MILD arthritis in my knees. Hate to inform him that this is in no way MILD arthritis.

Starting seeing my chiropractor. After a few weeks, I was finally able to walk with only a constant, steady discomfort.

Finally said the heck with this and decided to see another doctor last Thursday. Muscle disease called Polymyalgia Rheumatica. Treatment is 6 months to 3 years of low dose steroids. Fun, fun. Doc said results would be instantaneous. Wow, was he correct. 70% of pain gone after first dose. All pain gone after a 2nd dose. Feeling 10 years younger and ready to get this house finished.

Saturday, I get up from the dinning room table and hear a tear/pop in my right knee. Overnight the knee swells up and I can't walk again. Last night the pain was excruciating and I could not sleep a wink. Pain killers wouldn't touch it. So, back to the doc today. Torn Meniscus (knee cartilage), torn tendon, torn calf muscle. Out of action for at least the next 8 weeks. I guess I'll never get the heck out of Jersey.

Oh, well, look on the bright side. Nothing to do but smoke cigars for the next 8 weeks, lol.

David
I

'm in my early 30's and my knees pop when I go up stairs, and I have lifting for over 10 years. Not sure what you can do about that but laugh and lift more.
tamapatom Offline
#53 Posted: Wed, Apr 11 2018, 8:26 PM EST
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Every time I think I need to retire I realize it is all the physical work I do on my own time that causes me pain in arms and legs. But my desk job is wearing out my butt and eyes so switching back and forth keeps me going.
deadeyedick Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Apr 12 2018, 7:06 PM EST
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If you can't run then bike and if you can't bike then swim and if you can't swim than walk and if you can't walk then have a cigar and a beer.

Works for me.
bassman45 Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Apr 12 2018, 8:17 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
If you can't run then bike and if you can't bike then swim and if you can't swim than walk and if you can't walk then have a cigar and a beer.

Works for me.


You too?Herfing Beer
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#56 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 8:26 AM EST
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Update

My doc sent me to a bone and joint specialist. Took a while to get an appointment, but finally got in a couple weeks ago. After an extensive examine and reviewing of my MRI, he told me that I did not have a fracture, but a large, deep bone bruise. He said these can actually be more painful then a fracture.

He also said that I had intensive ligament tearing (ACL, etc.), but the meniscus damage was only moderate. He said surgery was not necessary, but that I should expect another 3 to 4 months of recovery time. He recommended jell shots to help cushion the bone bruise, but said it could take 4 to 6 weeks to get insurance approval. He also took me off of the Tramadol and prescribed Voltaren, an NSAID topical cream. The cream worked better then the Tramadol, but it still barely took the edge off the 24 hour a day intense pain.

I got a call a couple days later that the jell shots had been approved (shocking), and was scheduled for my first one a week ago Tuesday. Since over the past month or so I've noticed "fountain of youth" results in other areas of my health from my IGF (insulin like growth formula) supplement, I upped my dose from 500 ng to 1000 ng a day. A few days later I was actually able to drive to my injection appointment. This is the first time I've been able to drive in months.

The doc told me that there would be 3 jell injections a week apart, and that I shouldn't feel any improvement for about a month or so. Things actually felt worse after the first injection.

Being totally frustrated with the pain and extensive recovery time, last Thursday I upped my IGF to 3000 ng a day. Saturday I was able to stop the Voltaren pain cream. Except for a little stabbing pain in the knee when I walk, all the intensive ligament and muscle pain is completely gone. Sunday I was able to literally run up and down the stairs. For the past 4 months the stairs have been a major chore.

I had my 2nd jell shot yesterday. I told the doc that my pain was gone. He said that it was odd that the jell shot would have worked that quickly. I told him that I was still having a slight stabbing pain in the knee, but all the muscle and ligament pain was gone, and I was no longer using the pain cream. He looked dumfounded and said "well that's great". I didn't dare tell him about the IGF as when I mentioned it to my GP, he actually laughed at me.

Anyhow, whether it's the IGF or a miracle, the pain is virtually gone several months earlier then the doctor told me it would, and I am getting around considerably better. Hopefully I will be able to start working on the house again in the near future.

David (dpnewell)
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 12:45 PM EST
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that is a great story, David.

I've been wondering...will you shed the antlers in the Fall?
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#58 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 1:05 PM EST
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^ Ha, ha. You just don't want to be around when I go into rut.

When I get up the courage to handle all the jokes and ridicule, I'll be posting a thread on the IGF. It's going to sound like a infomercial, lol. If I hadn't seen the results in Donna, myself, and my 70 some year old buddy in PA and his wife, who starting taking it on my recommendation, I wouldn't believe it either.

I worked out in the yard today for a couple hours cleaning up winter debris and pulling weeds. I couldn't even of thought of doing that a week ago.

David (dpnewell)
SubaruEK305 Offline
#59 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 3:21 PM EST
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Burner02 wrote:
Can't think of a single good reason to have both knees replaced at the same time.

51 weeks was to close/soon.


Would you ever replace just one tire on your car? Most orthopedic surgeons have never had a knee replacement so they are a terrible source to take advice from on that front. Lets say 6 month recovery. So you get the surgery.... deal with the pain(immense) during recovery. Then once you're all healed up go through the same process all over???? Most people who have had a singular knee replacement often change their minds about getting a 2nd one done because of the pain involved. Better to just do it all at once, cut you're recovery time in half and save money in the process.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#60 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 3:27 PM EST
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^I've heard the same thing. Get them both done at once, because after you go through the pain of one, you'll never get the 2nd. My SIL was told yesterday she needs a knee. She's bone on bone. Other knee is in great shape, so for now it's only going to be the one.

David (dpnewell)
RMAN4443 Offline
#61 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 6:26 PM EST
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SubaruEK305 wrote:
Would you ever replace just one tire on your car? Most orthopedic surgeons have never had a knee replacement so they are a terrible source to take advice from on that front. Lets say 6 month recovery. So you get the surgery.... deal with the pain(immense) during recovery. Then once you're all healed up go through the same process all over???? Most people who have had a singular knee replacement often change their minds about getting a 2nd one done because of the pain involved. Better to just do it all at once, cut you're recovery time in half and save money in the process.

I've had both of mine done, about 3 years apart......I can't imagine having them both done at once
Yes it's painful, but if you. Have them both done at once ,how would you get around? How would you cook for yourself? How would you get to and from,and on and off the chitter? How would you get in and out of your vehicle and up the stairs into your house when you got home from the hospital?
Mobility with one replacement is a bitch, but unless you want to wear a diaper for a month or two after surgery,and eat crap for a month or two, or be trapped in the house for a month or two, one a time is the only way that makes sense to meNot talking
deadeyedick Offline
#62 Posted: Wed, May 2 2018, 6:48 PM EST
Joined: 03-13-2003
Posts: 17,112
Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Update

My doc sent me to a bone and joint specialist. Took a while to get an appointment, but finally got in a couple weeks ago. After an extensive examine and reviewing of my MRI, he told me that I did not have a fracture, but a large, deep bone bruise. He said these can actually be more painful then a fracture.

He also said that I had intensive ligament tearing (ACL, etc.), but the meniscus damage was only moderate. He said surgery was not necessary, but that I should expect another 3 to 4 months of recovery time. He recommended jell shots to help cushion the bone bruise, but said it could take 4 to 6 weeks to get insurance approval. He also took me off of the Tramadol and prescribed Voltaren, an NSAID topical cream. The cream worked better then the Tramadol, but it still barely took the edge off the 24 hour a day intense pain.

I got a call a couple days later that the jell shots had been approved (shocking), and was scheduled for my first one a week ago Tuesday. Since over the past month or so I've noticed "fountain of youth" results in other areas of my health from my IGF (insulin like growth formula) supplement, I upped my dose from 500 ng to 1000 ng a day. A few days later I was actually able to drive to my injection appointment. This is the first time I've been able to drive in months.

The doc told me that there would be 3 jell injections a week apart, and that I shouldn't feel any improvement for about a month or so. Things actually felt worse after the first injection.

Being totally frustrated with the pain and extensive recovery time, last Thursday I upped my IGF to 3000 ng a day. Saturday I was able to stop the Voltaren pain cream. Except for a little stabbing pain in the knee when I walk, all the intensive ligament and muscle pain is completely gone. Sunday I was able to literally run up and down the stairs. For the past 4 months the stairs have been a major chore.

I had my 2nd jell shot yesterday. I told the doc that my pain was gone. He said that it was odd that the jell shot would have worked that quickly. I told him that I was still having a slight stabbing pain in the knee, but all the muscle and ligament pain was gone, and I was no longer using the pain cream. He looked dumfounded and said "well that's great". I didn't dare tell him about the IGF as when I mentioned it to my GP, he actually laughed at me.

Anyhow, whether it's the IGF or a miracle, the pain is virtually gone several months earlier then the doctor told me it would, and I am getting around considerably better. Hopefully I will be able to start working on the house again in the near future.

David (dpnewell)


Glad to hear things are looking up for you.
Were the shots Supartz? I have had three shots and at first thought they did not help but after about two months time I am walking 3-4 miles a day at a fast pace with almost no pain. Used to wake me at night every time I moved position and that is entirely gone now.
delta1 Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, May 3 2018, 1:44 PM EST
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Good news Dave...that constant sleep robbing pain was what motivated me to have the knee replaced. Luckily, my left knee hasn't deteriorated to where it has to be replaced...prolly because I don't run or play tennis anymore...which the ortho doctors told me to do long before I needed knee replacement surgery...

Staring to feel constant pain in my right shoulder, but it's fairly mild ...may have to try IGF...
frankj1 Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, May 3 2018, 3:51 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
I've had both of mine done, about 3 years apart......I can't imagine having them both done at once
Yes it's painful, but if you. Have them both done at once ,how would you get around? How would you cook for yourself? How would you get to and from,and on and off the chitter? How would you get in and out of your vehicle and up the stairs into your house when you got home from the hospital?
Mobility with one replacement is a bitch, but unless you want to wear a diaper for a month or two after surgery,and eat crap for a month or two, or be trapped in the house for a month or two, one a time is the only way that makes sense to meNot talking

sounds like both problems solved.
RMAN4443 Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, May 3 2018, 9:21 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
sounds like both problems solved.

You would think it would, but I would seriously think about getting them both done at once, unless you have someone around 24 hours a day that really really REALLY loves you Not talking
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#66 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 9:39 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Glad to hear things are looking up for you.
Were the shots Supartz? I have had three shots and at first thought they did not help but after about two months time I am walking 3-4 miles a day at a fast pace with almost no pain. Used to wake me at night every time I moved position and that is entirely gone now.


There are about a half dozen brand names, so I don't know which one I'm getting. The doc just said "jell shots". I'm glad to hear that yours got better after giving it some time. I had my 2nd one on Tuesday, and the knee itself feels worse. I was debating on getting the 3rd, but after reading your experience, will probably go ahead. Thanks.

David (dpnewell)
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#67 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 9:55 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Good news Dave...that constant sleep robbing pain was what motivated me to have the knee replaced. Luckily, my left knee hasn't deteriorated to where it has to be replaced...prolly because I don't run or play tennis anymore...which the ortho doctors told me to do long before I needed knee replacement surgery...

Staring to feel constant pain in my right shoulder, but it's fairly mild ...may have to try IGF...


Good to hear that your replacement went well. MY SIL found out a few days ago that she needs one. She's bone on bone.

Another thing that is suppose to be good for joints is Turmeric. You can make up Turmeric teas or lattes, but they are a mess due to the yellow staining from the Turmeric. Capsules are more expensive, but also more convienent. Either way, you must get the ones with black pepper added for maximum effect.

David (dpnewell)
itsawaldo Offline
#68 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 10:05 AM EST
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Knees, seems like we may all need them.
True story, my dad was bowlegged and when they replaced his left knee he could not walk a straight line until they replaced his right that next year. Okay maybe that's family lore but it sounds true!

My better half went to hand doctor two weeks ago and foot doctor this week. Poor thing needs have both hands worked on, first her left, she has bone on bone and will also get a pin to help with stopping her thumb from shifting more out of position, surgery in June. She then came home from the foot doctor with a massive boot to alleviate her tendonitis.

At least in the short term she can't kick me or throw things at me!

We are trying CBD and Black Seed Oil for overnight pain and we both seem to be getting some relief.

Feel better and heal well all!
RMAN4443 Offline
#69 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 10:19 AM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Knees, seems like we may all need them.
True story, my dad was bowlegged and when they replaced his left knee he could not walk a straight line until they replaced his right that next year. Okay maybe that's family lore but it sounds true!

My better half went to hand doctor two weeks ago and foot doctor this week. Poor thing needs have both hands worked on, first her left, she has bone on bone and will also get a pin to help with stopping her thumb from shifting more out of position, surgery in June. She then came home from the foot doctor with a massive boot to alleviate her tendonitis.

At least in the short term she can't kick me or throw things at me!

We are trying CBD and Black Seed Oil for overnight pain and we both seem to be getting some relief.

Feel better and heal well all!

Glucosamine capsules seemed to help a bit when I was going through all kinds of knee pain.......but nothing worked like the knee replacement..........I was bone on bone with both knees before replacement, and now I can walk virtually pain free
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#70 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 11:15 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
There are about a half dozen brand names, so I don't know which one I'm getting. The doc just said "jell shots". I'm glad to hear that yours got better after giving it some time. I had my 2nd one on Tuesday, and the knee itself feels worse. I was debating on getting the 3rd, but after reading your experience, will probably go ahead. Thanks.

David (dpnewell)


With each shot I had they told me that I might feel worse for the next few days and that was true in my case also. By the 3rd day or so that would change.
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#71 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 1:50 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
Glucosamine capsules seemed to help a bit when I was going through all kinds of knee pain.......but nothing worked like the knee replacement..........I was bone on bone with both knees before replacement, and now I can walk virtually pain free


Sam's and Costco sell a SF liquid. 2,000 mg. Glucosamine, 1,200 mg. Chondroitin, 10 mg. Hyaluronic Acid and 500 mg MSM. I've always found liquid supliments work better then capsules. For anyone who's interested.

It's great to hear that you are now pain free.

David (dpnewell)
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#72 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 1:51 PM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
With each shot I had they told me that I might feel worse for the next few days and that was true in my case also. By the 3rd day or so that would change.


Good to know. Thanks.

David (dpnewell)
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#73 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 2:04 PM EST
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itsawaldo wrote:
Knees, seems like we may all need them.
True story, my dad was bowlegged and when they replaced his left knee he could not walk a straight line until they replaced his right that next year. Okay maybe that's family lore but it sounds true!

My better half went to hand doctor two weeks ago and foot doctor this week. Poor thing needs have both hands worked on, first her left, she has bone on bone and will also get a pin to help with stopping her thumb from shifting more out of position, surgery in June. She then came home from the foot doctor with a massive boot to alleviate her tendonitis.

At least in the short term she can't kick me or throw things at me!

We are trying CBD and Black Seed Oil for overnight pain and we both seem to be getting some relief.

Feel better and heal well all!


I'm glad that's working for you. Donna and I tried CBD (Charolette's Web) last summer on a friend's recommendation. It was great at first, but then I started to get irritable. About a week in, Donna started to get heart palpitations. Both symptoms stopped when we discontinued use. When I tore the knee I started back up the CBD. The pain actually seemed to increase when taking it and the irritability returned. Not for us, though I know that it works wonders for many folk.

David (dpnewell)
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#74 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 2:22 PM EST
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RMAN4443 wrote:
You would think it would, but I would seriously think about getting them both done at once, unless you have someone around 24 hours a day that really really REALLY loves you Not talking

no, I meant if you eat the crap in the diaper, both of those problems are solved
RMAN4443 Offline
#75 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 4:51 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no, I meant if you eat the crap in the diaper, both of those problems are solved

You ARE LIKE a JEENIUS!!!! LOL
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#76 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 7:24 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
no, I meant if you eat the crap in the diaper, both of those problems are solved


It's comforting to know that you stay up late each night, pondering solutions to life's many problems.

David (dpnewell)
frankj1 Offline
#77 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 8:34 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
It's comforting to know that you stay up late each night, pondering solutions to life's many problems.

David (dpnewell)

I am here for you.
glongoria Offline
#78 Posted: Fri, May 4 2018, 8:50 PM EST
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Knee pain is no picnic. after 40 years of hard work I'm slowly loosing the cartledge in both knee joints.
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