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DrafterX Offline
#51 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:30 PM EST
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You never got your Obama-shotgun either..?? Huh
HuckFinn Offline
#52 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 4:31 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Lets not get too hyperbolic here.

There is no "slaughter"...
If they're "begging for their lives" it's because people have scared them into thinking their lives are actually at any nominal amount of risk.

Deaths of teens due to gun violence (even including non "mass shooting events") is not that high statistically.

This statement is just as stupid as MACS's inference that all these kids are eating tide pods.

I have nothing wrong with these kids protesting... but to call it "begging for their lives" is to buy into the nonsense.

Statistically mass shootings are super rare. The kids aren't actually in danger.

Oh. We should stay in think mode instead. We're safe. Statistically.

The thought of being shot by some crazy azzhole is terrorizing.
Ok, so kids drive drunk and die. They OD. Commit suicude, sure.

But a normal kid, sitting in a classroom to have to tjink or worry about being killed shouldn't even be an option. Screw statistics. How many kids have to die before it's significant?
Tell dead kids parents how rare and statistically insignificant it is.

Getting stoned or drunk and maybe screwing up and dying is a kind of choice.
But these kids are sitting in class!

Who cares about the total number of kids slaughtered in schools compared to other ways they die? It's absurd that this reality exists. Imagine being a kid.
What? Won't happen at my school.

Yeah, I'm imagining, sorry, young kids staring death in the eye as some fruitloop takes aim at him or her and that victim begging.

Better hyperbole.
fiddler898 Offline
#53 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 5:16 PM EST
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I was kind of wondering how the kids who are advocating for their very lives would be diminished here on the forum.

Wondering no more.
frankj1 Offline
#54 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 5:19 PM EST
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I'd add that our generation should be proud that a generation of pre-voters is doing the thing that makes Americans most free, protesting...regardless on which side of the issue they stand.
delta1 Offline
#55 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 5:42 PM EST
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cons and status quo lovers hate to see protesters, unless they are older white people who urge others to take back America after a black man has the gall to inhabit the working rooms of the White House...

or who take over property that doesn't belong to them and then threaten to have a gun-fight with local law enforcement authorities who respond to the crime...them coppers are lower than BLM to challenge them good ol' boys...

Those are Americans who deserve to exercise their First Amendment rights
Phil222 Offline
#56 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 5:47 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I'd add that our generation should be proud that a generation of pre-voters is doing the thing that makes Americans most free, protesting...regardless on which side of the issue they stand.


+1
DrafterX Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:06 PM EST
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If only the kids weren't lied to about why they were really there... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#58 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:06 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
We should ban automobiles.
Get rid of them all.
Guaranteed to stop thousands of deaths.
Not even worth a debate.
It's 100% true.



When 100s of pedestrians are INTENTIONALLY targeted and murdered by homicidal drivers get back to me.

Absurd analogy TG
DrafterX Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:22 PM EST
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Happens all the time... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:27 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Let me ask you guys this question?

We had guns in the 70's and 80's when I went to school. We didn't have shootings like we're seeing today. What changed??

It isn't the guns, lemme tell ya... it's the people. Their attitudes, their lack of self control, and their sense of entitlement. It's their peers that are shooting up schools, not gun owners or guns. Perhaps a bit of introspection would help, instead of blaming inanimate objects.

Yeah, times have changed. Big time. Social media, video games, drugs, divorce rates, single parenting....so, a lot of kids are lost

And while we figure out what makes up the lethal concoction (school shootings) making it as hard as possible for a kid to get his hands on a gun is a good stopgap solution.
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#61 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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When I was in high school, most any truck in the parking lot had at least one long gun on gun racks. Many had a shotgun and a rifle. We even carried pocket and/or sheath knives. Times have changed.
frankj1 Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:44 PM EST
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I often ask people of my generation, after they've strolled down memory lane recalling how perfect life was when we grew up and how well we behaved we were:

"then how the Hell do you explain how the generation we spawned is so rotten?"
DrafterX Offline
#63 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:49 PM EST
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Hollywood, video games, gay marriage, political correctness.... Etc... Mellow
fiddler898 Offline
#64 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 6:57 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Hollywood, video games, gay marriage, political correctness.... Etc... Mellow


Gay marriage?! And you wonder why no one takes you seriously anymore...
DrafterX Offline
#65 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 7:10 PM EST
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No I don't.. Not talking
Phil222 Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 7:24 PM EST
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Laugh
victor809 Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 7:27 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Victor, please point to where I said they ALL ate tide pods? Their generation is guilty of it... fuh sho. My point is... their not quite mature enough as a generation to be telling the adults what is good for us.


Your implication that their protests were somehow diminished because their generation ate tide pods is essentially "guilt by association". The protesting children may be more intelligent and more responsible than any of us, but you disregard them completely because some other children of the same age eat laundry detergent.

It's a disingenuous argument. Just as Huck's use of hyperbole when it comes to children fearing for their lives.

You two are actually almost exactly the same in this respect.
victor809 Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 7:28 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
Gay marriage?! And you wonder why no one takes you seriously anymore...


We used to take him seriously?
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 8:13 PM EST
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Wow, this thread went off track quickly, and I'm as guilty as the rest of you.

Original point. The organizers lied about their numbers, inflating them by over 400%. The vast majority of the media, because it fit their narrative, perpetuated this lie by reporting it as fact. Anyone who does not see that the majority of the media has an agenda, and reports "stories" and "facts" in order to further that agenda, is fooling themselves.

David (dpnewell)
tailgater Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 8:13 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
When 100s of pedestrians are INTENTIONALLY targeted and murdered by homicidal drivers get back to me.

Absurd analogy TG




A parent should never have to bury their child.
You're using that emotion to drive home a very weak argument.
HuckFinn Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 8:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
A parent should never have to bury their child.
You're using that emotion to drive home a very weak argument.




I see zero similarity between cars and guns as weapons.
The former is unintentional, the latter intentional.

It's ridiculous.
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#72 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Wow, this thread went off track quickly, and I'm as guilty as the rest of you.

Original point. The organizers lied about their numbers, inflating them by over 400%. The vast majority of the media, because it fit their narrative, perpetuated this lie by reporting it as fact. Anyone who does not see that the majority of the media has an agenda, and reports "stories" and "facts" in order to further that agenda, is fooling themselves.

David (dpnewell)

USA today says 800,000 protested

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/24/march-our-lives-could-become-biggest-single-day-protest-d-c-nations-history/455675002/


Here they claim well over the expected 300,000
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/03/24/rally-nationwide-march-gun-control/

I have to wonder how the hell they can count that many people....but...

Hard to know if you don't have an agenda with your 'original point'

I'm not saying the media, left and right aren't biased but, are you?
tailgater Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:05 PM EST
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Ignore the premise when you can't justify your position.
HuckFinn Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:08 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Ignore the premise when you can't justify your position.

Lol...coming from you!
Ha!

Wait, so you're assuring me that the crowd size was indeed exaggerated?

Because your news source is the only reliable one.

Whew.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 9:39 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
USA today says 800,000 protested

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/24/march-our-lives-could-become-biggest-single-day-protest-d-c-nations-history/455675002/


Without even realizing it, you just proved my point about most of the media running with the lie. If you had read the original article, you would have realized that CBS News reported 202,796 and that the New York Times reported 180,000 based on research and analysis done by professional firms. News organizations that are definitely NOT right leaning. If fact, two of the few who did not fall for the lie.


HuckFinn wrote:

Hard to know if you don't have an agenda with your 'original point'

I'm not saying the media, left and right aren't biased but, are you?


Of course I'm bias, and so are you. In fact everyone on this thread is bias in one way or the other, no matter how "non-partisan" they believe themselves to be. Your point?

David (dpnewell)
frankj1 Offline
#76 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 10:09 PM EST
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I'm biased.
MACS Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:54 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I often ask people of my generation, after they've strolled down memory lane recalling how perfect life was when we grew up and how well we behaved we were:

"then how the Hell do you explain how the generation we spawned is so rotten?"


My son is actually a pretty good guy. We're not politically aligned, either... because he spent more time listening to his teachers than he did me and his mother, sadly. Though in my defense, I was deployed a lot... in your defense.

Still... he hasn't lost his mind or killed anyone... yet.
MACS Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Mar 27 2018, 11:58 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
I see zero similarity between cars and guns as weapons.
The former is unintentional, the latter intentional.

It's ridiculous.


Not really... cars were designed for a purpose, and so were guns. A gun's purpose is self defense, not murder. You can't blame either object if they're used for other than what they were intended.

Kitchen knives were made for cutting... bats for hitting a baseball... etc. Sometimes they are used as murder weapons, as cars have been.
ZRX1200 Offline
#79 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 12:23 AM EST
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And there's this.....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/27/al-sharptons-half-brother-charged-with-capital-murder-in-alabama-shooting.html
cacman Offline
#80 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 1:18 AM EST
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Parkland Survivor Admits to Bullying the Shooter. And She’s Not Sorry.

Parkland survivor Sinead O’Connor, also known as Emma Gonzalez, is on video admitting to not only bullying and ostracizing the Parkland shooter, but that she was justified in doing so. Lots to dive into on this one, so let’s roll tape:

https://twitter.com/Millenniel_Matt/status/978087331818242048

M’kay. For clarity, I’m turning on my ordered list function.

1. Just because a student is bullied doesn’t mean that student is justified in shooting up a school.
2. Emma admitting she bullied the shooter is a tantamount admission the shooter, not the gun, is responsible for the shooting.
3. Yet Emma participated in a march against guns, suggesting it’s the guns that are the problem, not the individual who pulled the trigger.
4. Typically school shooters are young men, ostracized and bullied by their peers.
5. Perhaps Emma and her peers who ostracized the Parkland shooter since middle school should have a march against bullying.
6. Emma suggests no one was surprised the Parkland shooter turned out to be the shooter. She’s not alone, as it was also recommended by Scot Peterson (and others) the shooter be involuntarily committed.
7. Had the shooter been committed, it’s unlikely he’d have been able to purchase a gun for the shooting.

Those are the obvious points. Unfortunately, we’re living in stupid times, where obvious points aren’t obvious. Blaming a gun for someone’s actions is like Emma blaming her mechanical pencil for misusing the word “literally” in a school paper. Yet 200,000 or so dumbasses marched against the right to own guns. Which millions of law-abiding Americans, including myself, need for personal protection. Not to put too fine a point on it. Read also OPINION: I Carry a Gun So I Won’t Have to Say #MeToo.

The Parkland shooting had less to do with guns and more to do with governmental failure and, now according to Emma, the continued bullying of an unstable young man. Again, bullying doesn’t excuse or justify shooting up a school. Okay? Okay. But I think less bullying of students is certainly better than “We bullied him and he deserved it.” Fair?

People are responsible for their actions. The tools are not.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/parkland-survivor-admits-to-bullying-the-shooter-and-shes-not-sorry/

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Apologies up front for not reading the 2 page of "comments" beforehand. IMHO the entire march/protest was total buush*t, and the liberal media and celebrities used the children as pawns to the hilt! Talk about bogus propaganda! What a fu*cking joke! Drink more kool-aid and swallow a Tide-Pod.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#81 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 5:33 AM EST
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^So, she bullied the shooter, is not sorry for it, and then marched to outlaw guns. The only logical conclusion one can come to, is that she wants guns outlawed, so that she can bully fellow students without fear of retribution. Such an upstanding young lady (/s).

David (dpnewell)
DrafterX Offline
#82 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 7:21 AM EST
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If they outlaw guns will they take away the bucket of rocks..?? Huh
jjanecka Offline
#83 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 8:15 AM EST
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Maybe they should start whipping kids asses for picking on each other like they did back in the day.
HuckFinn Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 8:49 AM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Without even realizing it, you just proved my point about most of the media running with the lie. If you had read the original article, you would have realized that CBS News reported 202,796 and that the New York Times reported 180,000 based on research and analysis done by professional firms. News organizations that are definitely NOT right leaning. If fact, two of the few who did not fall for the lie.




Of course I'm bias, and so are you. In fact everyone on this thread is bias in one way or the other, no matter how "non-partisan" they believe themselves to be. Your point?

David (dpnewell)

That you choose to post that the original numbers were fudged told me instantly that you had a bias. That was my point. Pointing that out, if it's even true, tells me that you'rereally interested in skirting the real issue: why the kids gathered in the first place.
Sure we're all bias.

So now CBS and the NYT have reported numbers closer to 200,000.
Other so-called news sources say more. And others even less.

I miss reliable news sources. I feel like we're in limbo these days.

If I was trying to make any other point, cause I could care less about over-exaggerated or under-exaggerated head counts, it was that this was a pretty serious moment in American history. People are insisting on action and change regarding guns and school shootings.

How many people showed up is irrelevant as compared to the reason they showed up

Is it messed up that a MSN source has an agenda? Sure. But given that they're, imo, on the side of saner regulations regarding guns, I'm lukewarm ok with it.
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#85 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 8:56 AM EST
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so by logical extension, the neo Nazis and white supremacists were used as pawns by the GOP to support Trump at their rallies...?

that's how ignorant it sounds to disparage the political beliefs that lead to action by those opposing our own views by calling them unwitting pawns.
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#86 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 8:59 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Not really... cars were designed for a purpose, and so were guns. A gun's purpose is self defense, not murder. You can't blame either object if they're used for other than what they were intended.

Kitchen knives were made for cutting... bats for hitting a baseball... etc. Sometimes they are used as murder weapons, as cars have been.

Have to disagree. Guns, besides being designed for self-defence, are designed to kill. To hunt. Fight wars. There's no comparing everyday common utensils like knives or scissors to guns.
Guns are recreational fun. I know that. They're necessary to law enforcement. Of course.
I get your argument. Just think it's illogical.


Cars can be lethal weapons, sure. But Henry Ford wasn't designing them with mowing down enemy soldiers in mind.
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#87 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 9:15 AM EST
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Teenagers NOGGINS are A lot SMALLER than ADULTS
H.E.A.D.S....

H.E.N.C.E.

YOUINS' can put more DUMBAZZ PUBESCENT NOGGINS in the same square footage as an adult crowd...

^^^ if you believe that ^^^ Than you probably agree with the CRAP those IDJITS were trying to sell to the American Public...

WHICH ...
WAS
A
LOAD
OF
B.U.N.K....

DAVID HOGG'S sorry AZZ LARGESSE TRIANGLE NOGGIN
"WITH ATMOSPHERE" SKEWED THE NUMBERS BADLY and confused the digital camera lenses...which wacked out the
SD cards and messed wit' da' computer algorithms....

Then the short haired Hispanic "future girls gym teacher"
K.E.N.T. gave the finger to the helicopter photographer and that threatened him... which is why he inflated the march number count 400%...( <<< and BLOOMBERG deposited $250 L.A.R.G.E. CASH in a Caymans safe deposit box and delivered the key to the photographer a week before "the march").
tailgater Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 9:49 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Lol...coming from you!
Ha!

Wait, so you're assuring me that the crowd size was indeed exaggerated?

Because your news source is the only reliable one.

Whew.


Sorry.
73 was for 71.
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#89 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 10:09 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Have to disagree. Guns, besides being designed for self-defence, are designed to kill. To hunt. Fight wars. There's no comparing everyday common utensils like knives or scissors to guns.
Guns are recreational fun. I know that. They're necessary to law enforcement. Of course.
I get your argument. Just think it's illogical.


Cars can be lethal weapons, sure. But Henry Ford wasn't designing them with mowing down enemy soldiers in mind.



You can disagree all you want and that's fine. I remember being 8, maybe 9. Dad put a hammer on the table. He said, "This is a tool that you will need. Not every day, but you need to know how to use it and I've taught you." Then he put a gun on the table. "This too is a tool. You won't need this everyday, but you should know how to use it. You use a hammer when you need a hammer and you use a gun only when you need to use a gun."

That's how I was taught. From that I entered the military and got to use a M16, M9, claymore mines, law rockets, tow missles, fire a M198 Howitzer and fire a round from an Abrams tank. I don't own them, but they thought it necessary to train me how.
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#90 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 10:13 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Sorry.
73 was for 71.


Oh.
I thought I addressed the premise directly.

I understand the premise: Food is dangerous and should be more strictly regulated because you could choke on it when eating.

It's an empty argument imo.

Russia.
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#91 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 11:10 AM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
That you choose to post that the original numbers were fudged told me instantly that you had a bias. That was my point. Pointing that out, if it's even true, tells me that you'rereally interested in skirting the real issue: why the kids gathered in the first place.
Sure we're all bias.

So now CBS and the NYT have reported numbers closer to 200,000.
Other so-called news sources say more. And others even less.

I miss reliable news sources. I feel like we're in limbo these days.

If I was trying to make any other point, cause I could care less about over-exaggerated or under-exaggerated head counts, it was that this was a pretty serious moment in American history. People are insisting on action and change regarding guns and school shootings.

How many people showed up is irrelevant as compared to the reason they showed up

Is it messed up that a MSN source has an agenda? Sure. But given that they're, imo, on the side of saner regulations regarding guns, I'm lukewarm ok with it.


Cool. Finally something we can both agree upon. We may be on different sides of the fence when it comes to gun rights, but at least I now feel we can have adult converstations without them degrading into name calling and belittlement. How refreshing. I still don't agree with you, but I can respect you and your viewpoint.

David (dpnewell)
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#92 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 11:39 AM EST
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The permit was filed by Deena Katz.

Deena is a TV producer (shocking I know) and the organizer of the LA Womens march which is funded by Open Society.

Again 3 degrees of separation by spooky dude.
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#93 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 12:10 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Cool. Finally something we can both agree upon. We may be on different sides of the fence when it comes to gun rights, but at least I now feel we can have adult converstations without them degrading into name calling and belittlement. How refreshing. I still don't agree with you, but I can respect you and your viewpoint.

David (dpnewell)

he called you a poopy head in a pm to me
HuckFinn Offline
#94 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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Mrs. dpnewell wrote:
Cool. Finally something we can both agree upon. We may be on different sides of the fence when it comes to gun rights, but at least I now feel we can have adult converstations without them degrading into name calling and belittlement. How refreshing. I still don't agree with you, but I can respect you and your viewpoint.

David (dpnewell)

Thanks David.
To be perfectly honest, I get a kick out of the name-calling sometimes.
But I agree, I usually prefer actual conversation.

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#95 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 12:37 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
he called you a poopy head in a pm to me

Damn Frank. That was confidential!
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#96 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 12:42 PM EST
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HuckFinn wrote:
Damn Frank. That was confidential!

my life is an open sewer
DrafterX Offline
#97 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 1:41 PM EST
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We all know better than that....Shame on you
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#98 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 1:55 PM EST
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yep...if it was, it'd be tough to remain in his presence, and there is ample evidence here that various people tolerated him well...



RE: OP topic...there were many more people, in total, attending the various protests all over the country (and the world - there were reports of solidarity events in many other countries) than attended the inauguration...the targeting of inflated numbers of protesters is a diversion from the impact of the message, and another attempt to scorn the messengers...

I find it telling that the cons stood up for the First Amendment rights of the white supremacists who protested in Charlottesville...and can't accept that the same right belongs to the kids...
Phil222 Offline
#99 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 2:01 PM EST
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Yeah, but in Charlottsville there were good people on both sides...both sides.
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#100 Posted: Wed, Mar 28 2018, 2:27 PM EST
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Even the Whitehouse congratulated the kids for protesting peacefully.. nobody here has had a problem with it that I have seen... Just the head count and them being misled and stuff... Mellow
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