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Speyside Offline
#1 Posted: Thu, May 24 2018, 8:02 PM EST
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Imagine that.
Brewha Offline
#2 Posted: Thu, May 24 2018, 8:52 PM EST
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Just wait - give our peace taker a chance....
DrafterX Offline
#3 Posted: Thu, May 24 2018, 8:55 PM EST
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Brewha..!! Laugh
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Thu, May 24 2018, 9:11 PM EST
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Drafter !!! Woot
DrMaddVibe Offline
#5 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 9:07 AM EST
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Given North Korea's track record on summits and attaining whatever they want to game the "system", the position of strength is to walk away.

There are signs that they're already caving and want the meeting to happen despite Kim's blustering saber rattling.

Not happening right now might be the best thing, and from a long standing perspective...China would be the huge winner in the peace deal. Getting the US out of the region would only leave a vacuum for them to fill.
dstieger Offline
#6 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 9:21 AM EST
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OR..... MAYBE....
Maybe it's the Chinese trying to derail this train. Could be that Xi was getting concerned that NK might be trying to trade up for new deep-pockected patron.
Mr. Jones Offline
#7 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 10:13 AM EST
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Meh !!!

Who cares?

Not me.

Life is what it hands you....
Never what you expect...

Look at me, 61 and GANGSTALKED by the FBI-SSG DIVISION FOR 5+ YEARS...
WHO'da guessed that would ever happen...
Not me...but I deal with it...

Same as TRUMP, he goes day to day and deals with everything...some ups and downs...no summit is a downer...
So what,
There's always September...
frankj1 Offline
#8 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 1:57 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
OR..... MAYBE....
Maybe it's the Chinese trying to derail this train. Could be that Xi was getting concerned that NK might be trying to trade up for new deep-pockected patron.

worth considering...

pretty sure NK could use a patron with deep grocery bags.
MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 2:05 PM EST
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Art of the deal... just might be back on, after all.

Let's see what happens.
delta1 Offline
#10 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 5:04 PM EST
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^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTJYkjrg594
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#11 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 7:11 PM EST
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Quote:
Trump says U.S., North Korea talking again

President Trump said Friday that the U.S. is again talking with North Korean officials, a day after he canceled a June 12 denuclearization summit due to Pyongyang’s “hostility” toward his administration.

We’re talking to them now,” Mr. Trump told reporters at the White House. “They very much want to do it. We’d like to do it. We’ll see what happens.”

The White House even left open the possibility Friday of dispatching a summit planning team to Singapore if the meeting is rescheduled.

“There are still a few hours left to decide,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told reporters. “If it takes place on June 12, we’ll be ready. If it takes place on July 12, we’ll be ready.”

Mr. Trump said North Korea released a “very nice statement” in response to his canceling the summit in Singapore. He said the meeting could even be put back on track for June 12.

In a statement Thursday night, a top North Korean official expressed Pyongyang’s willingness to meet with Mr. Trump “anytime and in any format.” The statement said North Korea is “open-minded in giving time and opportunity to the U.S.”

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Thursday that North Korean officials had stopped communicating with U.S. officials in recent days. The White House also said that North Korea stood up a U.S. advance team in Singapore last week for a meeting that was intended to work on preparations for the June 12 summit.

Asked if North Korea is playing games, Mr. Trump said, “Everybody plays games. You know that better than anybody.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, said he spoke with Mr. Trump on Thursday, and the president feels as if North Korea was trying to manipulate him.

“The president feels like they’re playing him, so he brought it to an end, and we’ll see if we can reengage,” Mr. Graham told radio host Hugh Hewitt. “I personally believe, having talked to the president as of yesterday, that he’s going to bring this to conclusion in his first term. He’s made a decision to end the North Korean nuclear program. He wants to do it peacefully, if possible.”


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/25/trump-says-us-north-korea-talking-again/

David (dpnewell)
frankj1 Offline
#12 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 7:22 PM EST
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they openly/publicly dismantled a nuke plant hours before. could have let that behavior continue for a while.

Meh, just two nuts in a staring contest. Two bigger issue down the road is if other countries will decide our word is not sacred...and did we possibly leave a very good ally (S. Korea) on an island?
DrafterX Offline
#13 Posted: Fri, May 25 2018, 8:08 PM EST
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It's progress.. at least we're not just feeding them a couple trillion to behave.. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#14 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 4:54 AM EST
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I think we need to learn to completely ignore everything trump says. Some in here do that selectively anyway.

Instead just look at his actions and accomplishments. Like most carnival barkers if you do so life is much easier. Lots of talk but that’s about it.

The emperor has no jammies.
tailgater Offline
#15 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 8:15 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I think we need to learn to completely ignore everything trump says. Some in here do that selectively anyway.

Instead just look at his actions and accomplishments. Like most carnival barkers if you do so life is much easier. Lots of talk but that’s about it.

The emperor has no jammies.


Actually, I think some of the anti-Trump rhetoric has stimulated important discussions.
If the morons could just forget about Russia for two minutes there could be some real organic change for the better.


Look at the pathetic #MeToo movement.
As insane as those attention whores are, the result has been an awareness towards responsibility by those in positions of power.

Men have been wielding their influence-driven libido for generations.
The fact that it's being "exposed" now during Trumps reign is not coincidental.


Other than that, TW is right. Much should be ignored or at least down played until there is action or results.
Mr. Jones Offline
#16 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 8:53 AM EST
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Once FAT BOY Kim Jon Un/UL gets TRUMP down that
5+ mile mine shaft to his "PLEASURE BUNKER OF ALL EARTHLY DELIGHTS" FOR A FEW NIGHTS ...

FILLED WITH 100 ...SEVENTY FIVE POUND SUPER HOT SPINNER KOREAN GASH, 25 BLONDE SCANDINAVIAN BIKINI MODELS, 5 RETIRED VICTORIA SECRETS MODELS,
20 PLAYBOY BUNNIES,
A GOURMET CHEF AROUND THE CLOCK, MULTIPLE 50 GALLON DRUMS FILLED WITH 100% PHARMICUTICAL BLOW, HYRDOROPONIC WEED GROWROOMS WITH PURPLE KUSH AND AMNESIA HAZE STRAINS, BARRELS OF REMY MARTIN VSOP COGNAC, HIGH END TEQUILLA AND EXPENSIVE VODKA, PALLETS FILLED WITH CUBAN CIGARS IN A MASSIVE HUMIDOR....

THE SUMMIT WILL GO THROUGH AND THE USA will get its concessions....but trump may never leave that pleasure bunker of debauchery for a full month after the agreement is signed...
DrafterX Offline
#17 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 9:21 AM EST
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I wanna go to the pleasure bunker.. Mellow
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#18 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 12:14 PM EST
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Do you really think they would hire you?

I guess everyone has their kink, therefore you must be someone's fantasy.
delta1 Offline
#19 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 12:45 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, I think some of the anti-Trump rhetoric has stimulated important discussions.
If the morons could just forget about Russia for two minutes there could be some real organic change for the better.


Look at the pathetic #MeToo movement.
As insane as those attention whores are, the result has been an awareness towards responsibility by those in positions of power.

Men have been wielding their influence-driven libido for generations.
The fact that it's being "exposed" now during Trumps reign is not coincidental.


Other than that, TW is right. Much should be ignored or at least down played until there is action or results.



Trump's most fervent desire...but a very real threat to our democracy...which he doesn't care about...we should never blithely tolerate foreign interference in our elections, whichever side is the intended beneficiary...
RMAN4443 Offline
#20 Posted: Sat, May 26 2018, 1:19 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Once FAT BOY Kim Jon Un/UL gets TRUMP down that
5+ mile mine shaft to his "PLEASURE BUNKER OF ALL EARTHLY DELIGHTS" FOR A FEW NIGHTS ...

FILLED WITH 100 ...SEVENTY FIVE POUND SUPER HOT SPINNER KOREAN GASH, 25 BLONDE SCANDINAVIAN BIKINI MODELS, 5 RETIRED VICTORIA SECRETS MODELS,
20 PLAYBOY BUNNIES,
A GOURMET CHEF AROUND THE CLOCK, MULTIPLE 50 GALLON DRUMS FILLED WITH 100% PHARMICUTICAL BLOW, HYRDOROPONIC WEED GROWROOMS WITH PURPLE KUSH AND AMNESIA HAZE STRAINS, BARRELS OF REMY MARTIN VSOP COGNAC, HIGH END TEQUILLA AND EXPENSIVE VODKA, PALLETS FILLED WITH CUBAN CIGARS IN A MASSIVE HUMIDOR....

THE SUMMIT WILL GO THROUGH AND THE USA will get its concessions....but trump may never leave that pleasure bunker of debauchery for a full month after the agreement is signed...

Table for two please?


Sipping tea
Mrs. dpnewell Offline
#21 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 5:46 PM EST
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OK, actions, not words.

Here's something from Reuters today.

Quote:
US officials in North Korea to prepare for summit

SEOUL/WASHINGTON, May 27 (Reuters) - American and North Korean officials met at the border between North and South Korea on Sunday in preparation for a possible North Korea-U.S. summit, as North Korea's Kim Jong Un was cited as reaffirming his commitment to meet with U.S. President Donald Trump.

Both Pyongyang and Washington are pressing ahead on plans for a summit after Trump pulled out of the proposed June 12 meeting on Thursday, only to reconsider the decision the next day.

"A U.S. delegation is in ongoing talks with North Korean officials at Panmunjom," State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said, referring to a village in the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) that runs along the heavily armed border between North and South Korea.

"We continue to prepare for a meeting between the President and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un," she said in a statement.

In addition to those talks, White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said a "pre-advance team" left for Singapore - where the summit has been expected to take place - on Sunday morning to work on logistics.

Earlier on Sunday, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said he and North Korea's Kim had agreed during a surprise meeting on Saturday that the North Korea-U.S. summit must be held.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/05/27/us-officials-in-north-korea-to-prepare-for-summit/23444663/

David (dpnewell)
Brewha Offline
#22 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 5:49 PM EST
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Well if the meeting does go forward, I hope Kim Jung Un is not phobic of clowns....
DrafterX Offline
#23 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 7:01 PM EST
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Pretty sure he dresses as clown often.. Mellow
Brewha Offline
#24 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 7:05 PM EST
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Doubtless.

Of course we have our own full tilt clown show.
No wonder some are fearful.
frankj1 Offline
#25 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 8:44 PM EST
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S. Korea's Moon is the quiet hero here...if it happens.
DrafterX Offline
#26 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 9:36 PM EST
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He's done some work... But it's not gonna happen without Trump... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#27 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 11:18 PM EST
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I disagree.
N. Korea is not in a position to walk, they have nothing to gain.

They really don't scare anyone with their fake aggression, but Fatso can only hope to stay in power by staving off a revolt. He is not a lunatic, he is far more worldly than most people on Earth.

He can be a hero by ending starvation and allowing access to stuff the rest of the world enjoys with a few concessions...but if Trump doesn't capitalize on this, China can step in (like they have in Africa) and add to their increasing world dominance very swiftly. Putin could move in as well.

The nuke stuff is Fake News. The goal should be to end the atrocious Human Rights violations. Only then will N. Korea be a modern country.

Settling for disarmament will not help that country, nor will it matter to world security.

Moon alone is keeping that flame lit. And Trump could do great things by feeding that flame, or he could make S. Korea and other allies question our trustworthiness. In the long run, that could be problematic.
DrafterX Offline
#28 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 11:30 PM EST
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I don't think China is doing any favors for Africa.. they're pretty much just invaded and are stealing their minerals...

These talks didn't even seem possible two years ago.. rocket man shot his wad and it didn't play out..

Although some think I worship Trump I think he's an idiot at times.. but it's silly to ignore his accomplishments...
Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#29 Posted: Sun, May 27 2018, 11:43 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I don't think China is doing any favors for Africa.. they're pretty much just invaded and are stealing their minerals...

These talks didn't even seem possible two years ago.. rocket man shot his wad and it didn't play out..

Although some think I worship Trump I think he's an idiot at times.. but it's silly to ignore his accomplishments...
Mellow

China stepped into the void in Africa and stole our lunch! Along with the richness of untapped resources. They have made real deals while we looked away.

Rocket Fat did shoot his wad, that's a major part of my whole theory . So now move in on him by forcing humane treatment of his people, not settle for meaningless military compromise, and bring them into the real world where they could add greatly to a better world while neutralizing China's geographical advantage.

Not to mention what we would save in stupid border protection half a world away.
dstieger Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 8:32 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
China stepped into the void in Africa and stole our lunch! Along with the richness of untapped resources. They have made real deals while we looked away.



No question.

The chithole mindset made us blind to it (long before Trump, even.)

South Africa has been trying to warn us for over a decade --- if only they still had a white president, maybe we'd have listened....damned anti-apartheid

Sarcasm

frankj1 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 8:46 AM EST
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dstieger wrote:
No question.

The chithole mindset made us blind to it (long before Trump, even.)

South Africa has been trying to warn us for over a decade --- if only they still had a white president, maybe we'd have listened....damned anti-apartheid

Sarcasm


maybe I only think you're smart cuz sometimes we see things the same way.


HA!
tailgater Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
Trump's most fervent desire...but a very real threat to our democracy...which he doesn't care about...we should never blithely tolerate foreign interference in our elections, whichever side is the intended beneficiary...


smh
tailgater Offline
#33 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 9:27 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I disagree.
N. Korea is not in a position to walk, they have nothing to gain.

They really don't scare anyone with their fake aggression, but Fatso can only hope to stay in power by staving off a revolt. He is not a lunatic, he is far more worldly than most people on Earth.

He can be a hero by ending starvation and allowing access to stuff the rest of the world enjoys with a few concessions...but if Trump doesn't capitalize on this, China can step in (like they have in Africa) and add to their increasing world dominance very swiftly. Putin could move in as well.

The nuke stuff is Fake News. The goal should be to end the atrocious Human Rights violations. Only then will N. Korea be a modern country.

Settling for disarmament will not help that country, nor will it matter to world security.

Moon alone is keeping that flame lit. And Trump could do great things by feeding that flame, or he could make S. Korea and other allies question our trustworthiness. In the long run, that could be problematic.


Don't scare anyone? Tell that to Hawaii when the nuke-alarm is sounded.

As for the nuke stuff being fake news? Then why didn't Obama and Bush before him taken care of the human rights issues?
Nobody respects Moon-boy. But many feared him.

Until, well, Trump.
Buckwheat Offline
#34 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 9:37 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Actually, I think some of the anti-Trump rhetoric has stimulated important discussions.
If the morons could just forget about Russia for two minutes there could be some real organic change for the better.


Look at the pathetic #MeToo movement.
As insane as those attention whores are, the result has been an awareness towards responsibility by those in positions of power.

Men have been wielding their influence-driven libido for generations.
The fact that it's being "exposed" now during Trumps reign is not coincidental.


Other than that, TW is right. Much should be ignored or at least down played until there is action or results.



You should go into politics. Beer
frankj1 Offline
#35 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 9:45 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Don't scare anyone? Tell that to Hawaii when the nuke-alarm is sounded.

As for the nuke stuff being fake news? Then why didn't Obama and Bush before him taken care of the human rights issues?
Nobody respects Moon-boy. But many feared him.

Until, well, Trump.

the fear came from a false alarm. Certainly no one was walking around on high alert. Not before. Not after.
Not relevant.

fake news as in a diversion. You ask a good question, but should list every President back to Eisenhower...because the Fat Un (like Fat Daddy and Fat Grampa before him) is the playah here.

I'll trade you something I made look big (nukes) if you close your eyes to the systematic tyrannical abuse of my people and promise to support my leadership, like your Presidents have done in so many other countries from the Arab lands, to Africa, to South America...

it IS and has been for decades a huge chunk of our Foreign/Business Policy. The one Ike warned us about but didn't have the stuff to actually do anything about. Every interviewed North Korean who has managed to get out begs for us to address the issue of Human Rights abuse and not settle for a nuke deal. They can't imagine it could be worse anywhere else in the world.

I'm thinking they know.
frankj1 Offline
#36 Posted: Tue, May 29 2018, 9:46 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Don't scare anyone? Tell that to Hawaii when the nuke-alarm is sounded.

As for the nuke stuff being fake news? Then why didn't Obama and Bush before him taken care of the human rights issues?
Nobody respects Moon-boy. But many feared him.

Until, well, Trump.

not sure what this means.
tailgater Offline
#37 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 10:43 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the fear came from a false alarm. Certainly no one was walking around on high alert. Not before. Not after.
Not relevant.

fake news as in a diversion. You ask a good question, but should list every President back to Eisenhower...because the Fat Un (like Fat Daddy and Fat Grampa before him) is the playah here.

I'll trade you something I made look big (nukes) if you close your eyes to the systematic tyrannical abuse of my people and promise to support my leadership, like your Presidents have done in so many other countries from the Arab lands, to Africa, to South America...

it IS and has been for decades a huge chunk of our Foreign/Business Policy. The one Ike warned us about but didn't have the stuff to actually do anything about. Every interviewed North Korean who has managed to get out begs for us to address the issue of Human Rights abuse and not settle for a nuke deal. They can't imagine it could be worse anywhere else in the world.

I'm thinking they know.


A false alarm would only create fear if there were a chance it could happen.
If your building sounded a nuclear alarm right now, would you be afraid?
No? Why not? It's a false alarm. And you're telling us that false alarms create fear.

The WORLD was fearful that Moonpie might shoot off a nuke.

Once that fear is eliminated and N.Korea is allowed to sit at the adult table it is very likely that human rights can be discussed. Not until. Which is why it's still an issue.
But you knew that.
You just hate that this is all happening under Trump.

It's OK.
You're cute when you're conflicted.

tailgater Offline
#38 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 10:50 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
not sure what this means.


It's a mental block on my part.
A long time ago started calling Kim Jong Un a Moon Bat.
Ever since Moon became president of South Korea last year I've mixed the two names.
HuckFinn Offline
#39 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 11:40 AM EST
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Seems in today's political climate totalitarianism works well: Russia, China, Syria, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, north korea...damn, it's a long long list...
Also seems, to me, that democracies are teetering. Being much more fragile than dictatorships.

Nk is as predictable as Donald. But maybe nk is evolving. They do seem to want more from the international community. That seems promising. Kim might want to avoid assassination or a coup, or maybe the Olympics opened the North Koreans eyes to their relative poverty compared to their South Korea counterparts, who knows. Maybe China sees a way to cash in.
Until the smoke clears it's unknowable.



As a high school student I remember being struck by FDR's successful 3rd run. The war was raging so I kind of got it. I think his run met with lots of opposition. What struck me was how much of the world (at war) was led by dictators at the time. Did we need a version of a dictator I wondered. Maybe.

Of course now, i dont give a chit. Unless Donald is eyeing the 22nd amendment of course.
frankj1 Offline
#40 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 1:44 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
A false alarm would only create fear if there were a chance it could happen.
If your building sounded a nuclear alarm right now, would you be afraid?
No? Why not? It's a false alarm. And you're telling us that false alarms create fear.

The WORLD was fearful that Moonpie might shoot off a nuke.

Once that fear is eliminated and N.Korea is allowed to sit at the adult table it is very likely that human rights can be discussed. Not until. Which is why it's still an issue.
But you knew that.
You just hate that this is all happening under Trump.

It's OK.
You're cute when you're conflicted.


of course a false alarm creates fear, cuz they sound like legit alarms, unless you've had so many (like fire drills in school) that you become numb to them. But once proven false, everyone goes back to their class rooms.

But the sounds of the first sirens don't specify why you are running, that comes later...and don't forget that the so called liberal media has been in partnership with Trump (horrors!) in attempting to create a market for fear of a "lunatic" with his hand on the button, little button, but a button nonetheless.

I guess I was overestimating when I said no one was really afraid, apparently some bought it. Sorry that you were taken in by the con...(you're kinda cute too, when scared!).

None of which makes it not fake.

Fats will "give up" nukes, he doesn't need them anyway. Heck, it's why he developed them, to give up in negotiations meant to protect his job. China is right there if needed, for defense. It's being marketed as a yuuuuge gain, and I agree in general principle less nukes in the world the better...so Bravo. Would love it if Trump would invite everyone to dispose of theirs.

But Fats wins by maintaining his despicable rein of terror, because it will not be on the table. Now, if we actually pull all of our "peace keeping troops, he may give a little more. But historically we have supported despots who torture if we get a slice of the action. Don't you think he learned that from his daddy and grampa, and from his expensive European education?

I blamed all presidents back to Ike. How would that make you think this is just a Trump diatribe? You limited it to Obama and "liberal" GOP Bush.

Which of us has the fixation?

You pay for drinks.
tailgater Offline
#41 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 4:21 PM EST
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I'll pay for drinks.
You pay for da wimmin.


As for blaming everyone from Ike forward, that's revisionist reasoning on your part.
You weren't championing the NK human rights cause until now.
And only now, because NK is coming to the table.
And the US would never consider coming to the table without nuclear disarmament.

You're trying to knock down the last domino and take credit for Trump's tumbling chain.
(not you personally, but you get the idea).
tailgater Offline
#42 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 4:24 PM EST
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As for the false alarms and NK Nukes, you seem to have a short memory.
It was not long ago that Japan and others were viewed to be at risk if Kim Jong-Un went full retard.

delta1 Offline
#43 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 5:31 PM EST
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NK did destroy one of its underground nuclear production sites...my guess is that it has less to do with Trump's negotiating tactics than self-protection by the NK's. That area suffered earthquakes after the last underground nuclear test...quakes prolly did serious damage that rendered it useless yet represented an on-going threat to people nearby if left unburied...it'd be interesting to scientifically evaluate the area...

KJU has been playing us...our intelligence agencies and military are playing us because they don't really know for sure, they have to assume the worse...

but did you see the photo of KJU with his military leaders doing the "strategic plan" after one missile launch? Hilarious...paper map, straight edge ruler, 3 foot pointer...looked like a pre-WW2 archive photo...

but if you were paying attention, none of the tests of missiles and nuclear devices gave any indication of long-range capacity or more crucially - accuracy, nor the ability to deliver nuclear weapons of any size....the "nukes" they've been show-casing are too big to mount on an ICBM...

SK and Japan are threatened by conventional weapons...that's why Moon is doing all the hard diplomacy...if he can achieve a peaceful relationship with his neighbors to the north, they won't have to spend so much of their GDP on defense...and neither would the US, much to the chagrin of our MI complex...we need stuff to spend the defense budget on...
frankj1 Offline
#44 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 7:00 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
I'll pay for drinks.
You pay for da wimmin.


As for blaming everyone from Ike forward, that's revisionist reasoning on your part.
You weren't championing the NK human rights cause until now.
And only now, because NK is coming to the table.
And the US would never consider coming to the table without nuclear disarmament.

You're trying to knock down the last domino and take credit for Trump's tumbling chain.
(not you personally, but you get the idea).



I doubt North Korea was ever mentioned as a topic by you or anyone else in my decade here either. But neither did I post about my feelings of Turks wiping out Armenians, of genocidal atrocities in African nations, of Christians in Egypt, Iran, Syria, Lebanon...

but rest assured, I feel the same way about all of these issues as they have popped up world wide since I was old enough to follow world wide events. I abhor them, but today we talk about one that has risen above others in what we consider "The News", North Korea. So now I post on that.

It's sad all you hear is Trump, you really are missing my deep seated passion for victims world wide. Trust me, this has been a long term thing for me, you've grossly underestimated it as a casual current tie in to Trump.

Surprised you didn't read those thoughts in my mind too.

What I am saying about our foreign policy over the last 70 years and more is not how one defines revisionist, it's not revisionist because it is accurate.

We have supported brutal dictators the world over because it has been good for business, and has been good for the world's and our citizens' security in many cases (see Saddam Hussein, the aftermath). But the long term issues have been disasterous, because wrong is wrong.

You really need to stop injecting the word Trump into sentences where it is not seen, and stop projecting your mind reading abilities you possess on the thoughts of all liberals...it makes it impossible for you to clearly receive what is really being said when you argue for both sides.

The wimmens said I don't have enough money.
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#45 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 7:05 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
NK did destroy one of its underground nuclear production sites...my guess is that it has less to do with Trump's negotiating tactics than self-protection by the NK's. That area suffered earthquakes after the last underground nuclear test...quakes prolly did serious damage that rendered it useless yet represented an on-going threat to people nearby if left unburied...it'd be interesting to scientifically evaluate the area...

KJU has been playing us...our intelligence agencies and military are playing us because they don't really know for sure, they have to assume the worse...

but did you see the photo of KJU with his military leaders doing the "strategic plan" after one missile launch? Hilarious...paper map, straight edge ruler, 3 foot pointer...looked like a pre-WW2 archive photo...

but if you were paying attention, none of the tests of missiles and nuclear devices gave any indication of long-range capacity or more crucially - accuracy, nor the ability to deliver nuclear weapons of any size....the "nukes" they've been show-casing are too big to mount on an ICBM...

SK and Japan are threatened by conventional weapons...that's why Moon is doing all the hard diplomacy...if he can achieve a peaceful relationship with his neighbors to the north, they won't have to spend so much of their GDP on defense...and neither would the US, much to the chagrin of our MI complex...we need stuff to spend the defense budget on...

several good points conveniently ignored.
tailgater Offline
#46 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 9:18 PM EST
Joined: 06-01-2000
Posts: 26,185
frankj1 wrote:
I doubt North Korea was ever mentioned as a topic by you or anyone else in my decade here either. But neither did I post about my feelings of Turks wiping out Armenians, of genocidal atrocities in African nations, of Christians in Egypt, Iran, Syria, Lebanon...

but rest assured, I feel the same way about all of these issues as they have popped up world wide since I was old enough to follow world wide events. I abhor them, but today we talk about one that has risen above others in what we consider "The News", North Korea. So now I post on that.

It's sad all you hear is Trump, you really are missing my deep seated passion for victims world wide. Trust me, this has been a long term thing for me, you've grossly underestimated it as a casual current tie in to Trump.

Surprised you didn't read those thoughts in my mind too.

What I am saying about our foreign policy over the last 70 years and more is not how one defines revisionist, it's not revisionist because it is accurate.

We have supported brutal dictators the world over because it has been good for business, and has been good for the world's and our citizens' security in many cases (see Saddam Hussein, the aftermath). But the long term issues have been disasterous, because wrong is wrong.

You really need to stop injecting the word Trump into sentences where it is not seen, and stop projecting your mind reading abilities you possess on the thoughts of all liberals...it makes it impossible for you to clearly receive what is really being said when you argue for both sides.

The wimmens said I don't have enough money.


Trump wasn't "injected" into this. He should have been given credit for de-nuking NK so talks can begin and you can continue your historical march against human atrocities.

Do you really think that a thread topic about a summit (or lack of) with North Korea isn't a Trump-centric conversation? But when I mention his name you accuse me of being sad for only hearing Trump?

That's just name calling, or poking the bear. Either way, it's not your style.

Human rights might be the best cause you can champion. But when an opportunity is presented you can't ignore how it unfolded. And the world couldn't even consider discussing NK Human Rights until today. Not sure why you're being so defiant on that point.


tailgater Offline
#47 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 9:19 PM EST
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Posts: 26,185
frankj1 wrote:


The wimmens said I don't have enough money.


Did you mention the tip?
teedubbya Offline
#48 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 9:50 PM EST
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Trump denuked NK?
frankj1 Offline
#49 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 11:04 PM EST
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Posts: 44,221
teedubbya wrote:
Trump denuked NK?

you stole my next post...I'll be right back.
frankj1 Offline
#50 Posted: Wed, May 30 2018, 11:20 PM EST
Joined: 02-08-2007
Posts: 44,221
tailgater wrote:
Trump wasn't "injected" into this. He should have been given credit for de-nuking NK so talks can begin and you can continue your historical march against human atrocities.

Do you really think that a thread topic about a summit (or lack of) with North Korea isn't a Trump-centric conversation? But when I mention his name you accuse me of being sad for only hearing Trump?

That's just name calling, or poking the bear. Either way, it's not your style.

Human rights might be the best cause you can champion. But when an opportunity is presented you can't ignore how it unfolded. And the world couldn't even consider discussing NK Human Rights until today. Not sure why you're being so defiant on that point.



Oh, Trump is all over this current topic, make no mistake. My objection is how you seem to hear anti Trump in things said that are not aimed at Trump at all.

When I don't mention his name, you accuse me (and all Libs) of having covert unspoken negative messages...injecting/inferring his name where it wasn't implied.

It may say more of your Trump Defense Club paranoia. A mini version of his attack-first-to-delegitimize-before-being- attacked M.O. Yes, that is a direct complaint. I say what I believe.

I'm really very mild in anti-Trump statements, and despite my lack of faith that he is capable, I still truly root for positive outcomes for America and by extension the world. If I am wrong in my doubts, I would benefit with everyone else. I hope he gets everyone to denuke, I wrote that above, as an example of what I say about him...most of the time.

I mean, knocking over the domino? Where did that come from?
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