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teedubbya Offline
#51 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 9:12 PM EST
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Lots of conjecture here. Lots of bull**** too.

I’m sorry the other party is not the enemy. And if you hate leakers you hate trump. He is king leaker, always has been back to the days he pretended to be a publicist and leaked stories about himself.

If you trust Putin more than the democrats you have issues.

I think you’ll be surprised if/when we find out where some of the leaks come from.
teedubbya Offline
#52 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 9:14 PM EST
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The dems used to be the party of wackos. That’s why I became an R. I’m astounded how quickly the Rs caught up to them in that regard.

And if you think trump withheld info from the dems due to leaking rather than being petty I have a bridge to sell you.

And while you are at it google devin Nunez and leaking.
frankj1 Offline
#53 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 9:19 PM EST
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I don't often say that I'm glad someone is dead, but I am.

I'm also thankful for the military leadership that made sure the abrupt pullout of troops from Syria was reconsidered so as to not jeopardize this excellent mission.

Yes, this happened.
Whistlebritches Offline
#54 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 9:28 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Lots of conjecture here. Lots of bull**** too.

I’m sorry the other party is not the enemy. And if you hate leakers you hate trump. He is king leaker, always has been back to the days he pretended to be a publicist and leaked stories about himself.

If you trust Putin more than the democrats you have issues.

I think you’ll be surprised if/when we find out where some of the leaks come from.



Tim this wasn't about trusting Russia more than the democrats...…..we needed use of their airspace

I don't think I'll be surprised at all
teedubbya Offline
#55 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 11:40 PM EST
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We may or may not have needed their airspace but none the less pooty tang didn’t give the ok without the intell. Trump said he didn’t tell the dems because he didn’t trust them. He trusted Putin but not the dems if you believe a word he said. Frankly I don’t. He didn’t tell the dems because he is petty and puts his personal bs over that of the country.
teedubbya Offline
#56 Posted: Mon, Oct 28 2019, 11:41 PM EST
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We may or may not have needed their airspace but none the less pooty tang didn’t give the ok without the intell. Trump said he didn’t tell the dems because he didn’t trust them. He trusted Putin but not the dems if you believe a word he said. Frankly I don’t. He didn’t tell the dems because he is petty and puts his personal bs over that of the country.
USNGunner Offline
#57 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 12:34 AM EST
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Well, that's only fair, none of us out here with experience trust them either.

They're only loyal to themselves. Period. They've demonstrated that time and time again.

Hilary's server? Oh! Well! We're not talking abut Hillary!

Bill's trips to fantasy Island to **** sex slaves? Oh! Well! We're not talking about Bill!

I've no tolerance nor slack for a modern democrat. They've shown their colors too many damn times.
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#58 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 12:53 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Lots of conjecture here. Lots of bull**** too.

I’m sorry the other party is not the enemy. And if you hate leakers you hate trump. He is king leaker, always has been back to the days he pretended to be a publicist and leaked stories about himself.

If you trust Putin more than the democrats you have issues.

I think you’ll be surprised if/when we find out where some of the leaks come from.



You should probably specify what you're referencing hoss.

None of that was conjecture or BS on my post. Been there, done that, survived it.

Those folks on that mountain? Friends. They survived that one, thanks to the ROK's, but not for any help from our side. Despite our "leadership" actually. The order was "let it go". The south Koreans wouldn't do it.

Those same folks kept working, same job, same missions. They're missing now. They got bumped up a tier level and were doing great. But then comms stopped after they left on an op. I haven't heard from them in a long time. That typically doesn't bode well. Same risks, same enemy, same terrain, and they did it anyway. They believed too. That ladies and gentlemen is the kind of folks we and our allies are putting out there. Every. Single. Day.

Do I trust Putin? **** no.

Do I trust a liberal politician? **** no.

Do I trust a republican politician? **** no.

Do I trust the Trumpster? You know, I think I do. Is he arrogant? Yep. Is he brash? Yep. Does he have anything to gain from this? No. And he is the first one in a long time with nothing to profit from the presidency. And it's driving the freaking left nuts. He's actually working for the good of the nation. Whether you like it or not.

I would suggest that all you apologists jock the hell up and walk the walk for awhile. Then come back and postulate. When you can put names to those numbers on the news? I'll bet your damn outlook changes. And if it doesn't?

Well, some folks just aren't worth worrying about.
teedubbya Offline
#59 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 1:18 AM EST
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Apologist?

I’m just a republican who is saddened that my party has gotten as bad as the dems. Almost indistinguishable. And trump is worse then the dems which is hard to do. But I have faith my country will come to its senses on that abomination over time

USNGunner Offline
#60 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 1:52 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Apologist?

I’m just a republican who is saddened that my party has gotten as bad as the dems. Almost indistinguishable. And trump is worse then the dems which is hard to do. But I have faith my country will come to its senses on that abomination over time



No, you're not. Not if you think that Trump is worse than the dems? Who in the name of all that is holy do you come up with that?

I get it. You're a never trumper. One of the RINO's that swear by romney and his ilk.

Dude, just come out of the closet and go Dem. We do not want or need you. Really.

And I"m serious. Jock up, or piss off.

Thank you and have a nice day.
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#61 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 2:14 AM EST
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Teedubya isn’t a Mittens guy, but I heard he thought Lucky Pierre Delecto was Faaabyoulous.

So lemme asskyou sumpin had he NOT cleared airspace and had told Dems who would have gotten the blame for helos getting shot down?

The only arguments over the Obam....Osama incident from the right were the questions about how many times he was claimed to be dead from the past. And the tossing into the ocean (good tactical reason, but people distrust the government even when it’s one of the “good ones” in charge). But now there’s such vitriol just like anything Cheeto does, he is gonna get 4 more years because of this exact attitude.
teedubbya Offline
#62 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 8:37 AM EST
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USNGunner wrote:
No, you're not. Not if you think that Trump is worse than the dems? Who in the name of all that is holy do you come up with that?

I get it. You're a never trumper. One of the RINO's that swear by romney and his ilk.

Dude, just come out of the closet and go Dem. We do not want or need you. Really.

And I"m serious. Jock up, or piss off.

Thank you and have a nice day.



Not much of an argument in there in terms of intelligence or logic. Reagan Republican here. Trump and his minions are the rinos literally. He changed to run and is making a mockery of the party.

As for the old and worn out if you haven’t served in the military you don’t know anything or as much that is silly and hard to take seriously. I respect the hell out of anyone that served and thank you, Ron and the vast majority of the males in my family for serving. That includes my son. But that does not give them a “trump’ in political discussions and proclaiming that makes you right and folks disagreeing with you wrong is again silly. Names to the numbers lol that’s a good one.

But let’s run with the if you haven’t served you don’t know **** thought for a moment. Then you must hate president bone spur not only for evading the draft but for the way he has acted towards his ex generals such as Mattis and Kelly. My younger cousins still serving have learned to hate him (initially voted for him because..well hillary) and say there is quite a bit of that in the ranks.

It’s politics man. Jock up lol. Are you Hans or franz?
teedubbya Offline
#63 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 8:43 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Teedubya isn’t a Mittens guy, but I heard he thought Lucky Pierre Delecto was Faaabyoulous.

So lemme asskyou sumpin had he NOT cleared airspace and had told Dems who would have gotten the blame for helos getting shot down?

The only arguments over the Obam....Osama incident from the right were the questions about how many times he was claimed to be dead from the past. And the tossing into the ocean (good tactical reason, but people distrust the government even when it’s one of the “good ones” in charge). But now there’s such vitriol just like anything Cheeto does, he is gonna get 4 more years because of this exact attitude.



Z I don’t know if he cleared airspace or not. You can’t trust a word he says. But if he needed to or not isn’t really my issue. He disclosed it to the Russians but not the usual political leaders in thic country claiming he can’t trust them. America first, and they are Americans. They are not the enemy even though some folks have gotten themselves lathered up enough to think so. If your not with us you are with them. Look at the post above yours for an example.

Bammy briefed the reps as seems to be the norm in most instances. Trump didn’t because he is a petty indolent child and is worse than the dems. They both faced a similar decision point.

And while I voted for Romney no I never really liked him. I have always liked John Kasich and like him more and more every day. He’s seen this trumpster fire since the beginning and stayed true to his and the real republican values that Trump is pissing all over.
USNGunner Offline
#64 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 11:04 AM EST
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TW. I owe you an apology.

I was already already spun up from another vector when I got home and should have just gone to bed. So that post definitely came across harsher than I intended, and I am indeed sorry about that.

So please accept the apology. I meant nothing personal by it.

V
frankj1 Offline
#65 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 11:22 AM EST
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VERY cool, Vince.
very cool.
teedubbya Offline
#66 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 11:52 AM EST
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USN no apology necessary and nothing personal taken. I dish as well as I get but it’s never personal. It’s politics and all politics all sides are a big steaming pile.

I really appreciate the apology, and frank is right it’s very cool. But you didn’t say anything wrong. If anything bothered me I don’t belong in the politics section. If I offended in any way I apologize as well. That is not my intent.

Reading through it all again, with the exception of trump I think we have way more in common than different. Some day maybe we will smoke one and unmercifully make fun of Hillary, Pelosi and Drafter..... and maybe whistle. I have pictures of him in drag.
frankj1 Offline
#67 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 12:03 PM EST
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in drag in the voting booth!
fishinguitarman Offline
#68 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 12:04 PM EST
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Ron likes silk
delta1 Offline
#69 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 3:23 PM EST
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the con Benghazi myth that Hillary/Dems refused to deploy a rescue mission is debunked in the Bipartisan US Senate Select Intelligence Committee Report on the Benghazi Attack: the GOP led US Senate Select Intelligence Committee...here's a quote from the report:

"there were no US military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend the Temporary Mission Facility and its Annex."


much of the mess we are facing as far as terrorism in the Middle East is due to the decision to go to war in Iraq, not for WMD, not to fight Al Queda as we were told by the Bush Administration many times before...look into the writings by neo-cons before 9-1-1, and you'll find all you need for why we deliberately chose to fight an unnecessary war, costing thousands of American lives ...where's the honor and leadership when you out an intelligence asset and operations endangering US lives in Niger because they spoke the truth to debunk the lies intended to create cover for the justification for war?

is party affiliation so important now that we accept military casualties, even those suffered under false pretenses, when our party is in power, but if anyone dies under "their" watch, they are at fault?
tailgater Offline
#70 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 3:26 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
the con Benghazi myth that Hillary/Dems refused to deploy a rescue mission is debunked in the Bipartisan US Senate Select Intelligence Committee Report on the Benghazi Attack..the GOP led US Senate Select Intelligence Committee...here's a quote from the report:

"there were no US military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend the Temporary Mission Facility and its Annex."


Still grasping at straws to defend her?

smh
tailgater Offline
#71 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 3:27 PM EST
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I still like Mitt.
delta1 Offline
#72 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 3:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Still grasping at straws to defend her?

smh




she's not running anymore...no need to villify
ZRX1200 Offline
#73 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 4:18 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Z I don’t know if he cleared airspace or not. You can’t trust a word he says. But if he needed to or not isn’t really my issue. He disclosed it to the Russians but not the usual political leaders in thic country claiming he can’t trust them.

Yeah....any POTUS is going to expose our troops to possible fire and risk a world war?!! Maybe Hilldog.

America first, and they are Americans. They are not the enemy even though some folks have gotten themselves lathered up enough to think so. If your not with us you are with them. Look at the post above yours for an example.

Yeah.....no. They are.

Bammy briefed the reps as seems to be the norm in most instances. Trump didn’t because he is a petty indolent child and is worse than the dems. They both faced a similar decision point.

Again I’ll say this slowly. SIX NS LEAKS IN EIGHT GODDAMN YEARS. He didn’t have the same issues Cheeto does.

And while I voted for Romney no I never really liked him. I have always liked John Kasich and like him more and more every day. He’s seen this trumpster fire since the beginning and stayed true to his and the real republican values that Trump is pissing all over.
USNGunner Offline
#74 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 5:43 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Reading through it all again, with the exception of trump I think we have way more in common than different. Some day maybe we will smoke one and unmercifully make fun of Hillary, Pelosi and Drafter..... and maybe whistle. I have pictures of him in drag.


No, hell I'm good. My skin is way too thick to get pissy.

That was necessary. I try to avoid making an ass out of myself, and sometimes I do it anyway. Case in point.

I would love to sit down and have a smoke with you. I'm sure we would get along fine. Except for the whistle pictures. I may have to pass on that one. Anxious

Anyway, Carry on. I'm getting the hell out of this forum as fast as I can. LOL.

Curiosity killed the cat..........................

Yeah, I get that. horse
delta1 Offline
#75 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 6:05 PM EST
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case in point: Whistle and I had a great time in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, with Palama. We avoided talking politics...I consider him a friend, and look forward to the next chance to herf with him.

I do not take any of our exchanges of opinions here personally...we each have our own life experiences that contribute towards an outlook and belief system about life...I respect each of yours...but also reserve the right to express my opinion...some of which are supported by facts, and others that come straight out the azz...

since there are more critical cons here challenging my lib views, I am trying to do more observations supported by the facts and less noise emitted by my azz...I have learned much in the process, just doing research...
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#76 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 6:53 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
case in point: Whistle and I had a great time in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, with Palama. We avoided talking politics...I consider him a friend, and look forward to the next chance to herf with him.

I do not take any of our exchanges of opinions here personally...we each have our own life experiences that contribute towards an outlook and belief system about life...I respect each of yours...but also reserve the right to express my opinion...some of which are supported by facts, and others that come straight out the azz...

since there are more critical cons here challenging my lib views, I am trying to do more observations supported by the facts and less noise emitted by my azz...I have learned much in the process, just doing research...



All true...…...now that being said you may want to read through this regarding your "Benghazi Myth" claim.There were assets available to deploy...…..They were instructed to "STAND DOWN" after being put on full alert.


https://fas.org/irp/congress/2013_hr/benghazi.pdf
tailgater Offline
#77 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 8:21 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
she's not running anymore...no need to villify


True.
Whistlebritches Offline
#78 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 8:39 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
True.




NOT!!!

Til that biotch is pushing up daisies
tailgater Offline
#79 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 8:39 PM EST
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Poor daisies.
fishinguitarman Offline
#80 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 10:06 PM EST
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Why does it always have to be daises?
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#81 Posted: Tue, Oct 29 2019, 10:41 PM EST
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tw, the cleared airspace thing is unclear. I heard/saw it reported we were fired at crossing Syria.
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#82 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 7:38 AM EST
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Those bassards..!! Mad
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#83 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 9:22 AM EST
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ram27bat

fog
MACS Offline
#84 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 2:29 PM EST
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Pull troops back from Syria... oh no, we're abandoning the kurds, oh no, Turks move in... oh no, some ISIS captives escape.

Whoops... some of those captives were tracked back to their HQ. Whoops... ISIS leader and his second are now dead.

Winning. So much winning.
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#85 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 2:38 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
All true...…...now that being said you may want to read through this regarding your "Benghazi Myth" claim.There were assets available to deploy...…..They were instructed to "STAND DOWN" after being put on full alert.


https://fas.org/irp/congress/2013_hr/benghazi.pdf



I've read through about half of the report...lotsa political posturing by the Senators and lotsa explaining, justifying and defensiveness on the part of the generals...still haven't found the quote "STAND DOWN"...help, please...

I am open to clarity...I recall this was a political football because Hillary didn't initially say it was terrorism, repeating the CIA's view that all the attacks that happened in the Middle East, including Benghazi on 9/11, 2012, were because of the release of a video produced by a Christian making fun of Islam and the prophet Mohammed ...there were violent protests happening all over that part of the world...after review, she did say the attacks were done by terrorists, but it no longer mattered because she had a target on her back...

the cons had already begun attacking Hillary before Benghazi, having identified her as a potential POTUS candidate in 2016...objective political observers (there were a few) believed the Benghazi attacks were an opportunity for the GOP to discredit her and her candidacy...that's the back-drop that I recall...
delta1 Offline
#86 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 2:39 PM EST
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imagine if Obama had tipped off the Russians before the Osama Bin Laden raid...
tailgater Offline
#87 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 3:27 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
imagine if Obama had tipped off the Russians before the Osama Bin Laden raid...


Russian?
He'd more likely tip off his fellow Islamic brethren...
Whistlebritches Offline
#88 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 3:33 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Pull troops back from Syria... oh no, we're abandoning the kurds, oh no, Turks move in... oh no, some ISIS captives escape.

Whoops... some of those captives were tracked back to their HQ. Whoops... ISIS leader and his second are now dead.

Winning. So much winning.



Thank you...…..I just did not realize we had to spell everything out for some of these people.
delta1 Offline
#89 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 3:50 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Russian?
He'd more likely tip off his fellow Islamic brethren...




would you have been fine if Obama HAD warned an Islamic nation (Pakistan? ...pick one), as Trump leaked the planned raid to the Russians...
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#90 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 3:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I've read through about half of the report...lotsa political posturing by the Senators and lotsa explaining, justifying and defensiveness on the part of the generals...still haven't found the quote "STAND DOWN"...help, please...

I am open to clarity...I recall this was a political football because Hillary didn't initially say it was terrorism, repeating the CIA's view that all the attacks that happened in the Middle East, including Benghazi on 9/11, 2012, were because of the release of a video produced by a Christian making fun of Islam and the prophet Mohammed ...there were violent protests happening all over that part of the world...after review, she did say the attacks were done by terrorists, but it no longer mattered because she had a target on her back...

the cons had already begun attacking Hillary before Benghazi, having identified her as a potential POTUS candidate in 2016...objective political observers (there were a few) believed the Benghazi attacks were an opportunity for the GOP to discredit her and her candidacy...that's the back-drop that I recall...



1.In all that dribble you will not see the words "STAND DOWN"...…..oh they dance around that like a ballerina.There are numerous excuses as to why this unit or that isn't deployed after being put on full alert.All bullsh*t

2.I'm not even going to entertain their initial explanation for the attacks,the video.Again more bullsh*t

3.So now that it is clearer than ever that someone in high office is responsible for the lives of Glen Doherty,Tyrone Woods,Chris Stevens and Sean Smith...……….we're going to play the "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORY" card.UMMMM no,when someone continues to blow smoke up your azz at some point you become fully aware of the fire surrounding them...…………….it just takes some longer to realize it.BTW I had never heard this theory floated before but it doesn't surprise me at all
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#91 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:03 PM EST
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Whistlebritches wrote:
Thank you...…..I just did not realize we had to spell everything out for some of these people.



good results...can happen from incompetent civilian leadership if the folks who execute a plan are extraordinarily competent, flexible, prepared and well drilled...even though Trump gave only scant credit, our Intel and Military are truly awesome!!!

US intelligence and military planners said they had to scramble to get the raid done before the unexpected withdrawal of US troops...their plans had relied on the contingent of US troops and bases that were deployed in the area before Trump suddenly and without consultation with military and intelligence leaders, decided to pull them out and abandoned the bases

Kurds provided the on-the-ground intel about al-Baghdadi's location...without the presence of our Kurdish allies, our defeat of ISIS would not have happened, this mission may not have happened...and we will not be able to follow up on any leads that were developed from the intel/evidence gathered at the location where al Baghdadi was killed...
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#92 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:09 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
would you have been fine if Obama HAD warned an Islamic nation (Pakistan? ...pick one), as Trump leaked the planned raid to the Russians...




Leaked the plan to Russia?

Leaked?
The plan??

So it wasn't a courtesy call, which is standard protocol. It was a leak.

because, Trump.

Brick wall
Whistlebritches Offline
#93 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:10 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
good results...can happen from incompetent civilian leadership if the folks who execute a plan are extraordinarily competent, flexible, prepared and well drilled...even though Trump gave only scant credit, our Intel and Military are truly awesome!!!

US intelligence and military planners said they had to scramble to get the raid done before the unexpected withdrawal of US troops...their plans had relied on the contingent of US troops and bases that were deployed in the area before Trump suddenly and without consultation with military and intelligence leaders, decided to pull them out and abandoned the bases

Kurds provided the on-the-ground intel about al-Baghdadi's location...without the presence of our Kurdish allies, our defeat of ISIS would not have happened, this mission may not have happened...and we will not be able to follow up on any leads that were developed from the intel/evidence gathered at the location where al Baghdadi was killed...



Again Al do not believe everything you read in the funny papers.It's ok to take your eyes off the carrot occasionally and scan left to right.....especially right
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#94 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:12 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Leaked the plan to Russia?

Leaked?
The plan??

So it wasn't a courtesy call, which is standard protocol. It was a leak.

because, Trump.

Brick wall



That's the way the headlined it in the "Funny Papers" so it must be true
tailgater Offline
#95 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:15 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
good results...can happen from incompetent civilian leadership if the folks who execute a plan are extraordinarily competent, flexible, prepared and well drilled...even though Trump gave only scant credit, our Intel and Military are truly awesome!!!

US intelligence and military planners said they had to scramble to get the raid done before the unexpected withdrawal of US troops...their plans had relied on the contingent of US troops and bases that were deployed in the area before Trump suddenly and without consultation with military and intelligence leaders, decided to pull them out and abandoned the bases

Kurds provided the on-the-ground intel about al-Baghdadi's location...without the presence of our Kurdish allies, our defeat of ISIS would not have happened, this mission may not have happened...and we will not be able to follow up on any leads that were developed from the intel/evidence gathered at the location where al Baghdadi was killed...



Can someone find the posts after Bin Laden was taken out?

I hope I didn't sound as stupid and as partisan as Delta does right now, but I don't recall.
I'm pretty sure I gave Obama credit (as much as one can give the POTUS for such operations).
Either way, I know I didn't pretend to be an expert on foreign military maneuvers. He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express or something.


To be fair, I probably did say nasty things about Hillary. But that wasn't partisan. Just simple disgust.
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#96 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:31 PM EST
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When you have multiple forces in an op-area, the plan does not have to be shared, but the other forces DO have a NEED TO KNOW you will be doing an operation in that area... so allies do not fire on one another.

Pelosi and the dems did not have a NEED TO KNOW. The other forces in the area did.
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It's really hard for Pelosi to take credit when she didn't know... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#98 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:43 PM EST
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Previous similar operations included informing leaders of both parties as a courtesy. I don’t know why anyone would expect that from this turd.

I don’t think the airspace thing is settled yet. That’s the problem with a leader that lies so much.

The Pakistanis were not informed when we went in for ubl. We thought they would tip things off. They were pissed. We obviated feel differently about Putin and Assad.

teedubbya Offline
#99 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:47 PM EST
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So with ubl we trusted American political leadership but not a semi ally.

With this guy we didn’t trust Americans but did trust our enemies.

And no one is talking about the rushed timeline because of trumps idiotic Syria move.
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#100 Posted: Wed, Oct 30 2019, 4:55 PM EST
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I understand making sure allies do not fire on allies, but my limited understanding of the crazy Syrian situation is that Russia (along with Iran) is supporting Bashar?

also, love 'em or hate 'em, but Congress...House and Senate...is an equal power to the Executive/POTUS. They need to know. Certainly before a non-ally in this event who is happily filling the influence void.
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