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frankj1 Offline
#51 Posted: Wed, Sep 30 2020, 10:23 PM EST
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for #50

if you understood me a while back you wouldn't think you are paraphrasing me. Why you think I'm wrong to keep heightened emotion from our system of justice is bewildering to me.

now, if these reprobates commit crimes, I would still insist on proper use of our system of justice.
And as undigestible as the thought might be, even a "not guilty" verdict protects both of us...
rfenst Offline
#52 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:01 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
Trump also coyly tried to limit his tepid condemnation in terms of recent outbreaks of violence when Americans are thinking in terms of ridding our country of nazis and their ilk...he moved the goalposts so as to not have to denounce their existence.

They came away elated, since they also know what stand by means. They believe they were told to stop helping police against leftist criminals and are awaiting their marching orders...perhaps to hover over designated polling places?

Tee shirts and hats available, new recruiting results were great today as their leaders called the President's remarks "Historic".

Is it time to dust off "wake up America"?



Just what we need is another "Kenosha wahoo" (Rittenhouse) showing up just outside a polling zone with an assault rifle, thinking he is needed to or has been asked/signaled to "stand by."





"Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville... helped to organize the event, which brought together Klansmen, antisemites, Southern racists, and militia's."

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys
DrafterX Offline
#53 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 8:03 AM EST
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Nobody condemning Biden for defending Antifas..?? Huh
rfenst Offline
#54 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:07 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nobody condemning Biden for defending Antifas..?? Huh

Defending? I don't think so.
But, he sure should denounce/condemn them/the concept if there is any real question of where he stands on the matter.
Hell, I'd rather see Biden tell them he doesn't even want their votes and to go vote for Trump- who you know I want to lose- but that simply will not happen.
DrafterX Offline
#55 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:18 AM EST
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well, they are a terrorist organization and clearly left.... you'd think he wouldn't even have to be asked.... Mellow
rfenst Offline
#56 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:31 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, they are a terrorist organization and clearly left.... you'd think he wouldn't even have to be asked.... Mellow


See link in #32.
They are far left, way out there well beyond liberals, Democrats and even progressives.
frankj1 Offline
#57 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:34 AM EST
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I keep hearing they are an organization but no one can give me the address of the home office, or even a toll free number.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#58 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:53 AM EST
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Your age is showing... have you tried a twitter feed where they organize riots? or a Facebook account where they organize riots and alert each other to the presence of police or counter protesters? You haven't... if you had you would've found them...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#59 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:59 AM EST
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And I say that in love frank... my mom still grabs the yellow pages when I need a phone #...
rfenst Offline
#60 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:04 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
And I say that in love frank... my mom still grabs the yellow pages when I need a phone #...

Frank is old, but not that old!
Smooth light Offline
#61 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:07 AM EST
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Terrorist synthesizer the whole lot of them.
Joe B. does not even know that he is one, when asked,"I don't have a tailor, my suite's are from Givenchy"💥

Antifa is just a consept,bare naked truth, with the prog-lib.🤪

We all know"racist"is a delusional idiom for not wanting to progress as a whole, my way or the highway, let's keep them divided till we get our way. ❄️
RayR Offline
#62 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:40 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, they are a terrorist organization and clearly left.... you'd think he wouldn't even have to be asked.... Mellow


Biden can't denounce them by name without driving away his rabid foaming at the mouth radical left supporters. He only goes wishy-washy and claims to "condemn violence of every kind by anyone, whether on the left or the right."
You have to remember his token vice presidential running mate was openly cheering on the rioting, burning and looting leftist Orcs (aka "Peaceful Protesters") and Tweeting to her 5 million followers, pleading for their help to raise bail money for the jailed suspects which including successfully bailing out criminals charged with murder, attempted murder, assault, and sexual assault. Screw the victims of the violence, looting and arson, Kamila Harris supports the ANTIFA and BLM perps!

I guess all this is unimportant to the leftists here who instead are engrossed with their conspiracy theory that Trumps "stand by" is a super secret code to his army of Nazi white supremacists to stand down and wait for further orders.whip
bgz Offline
#63 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:01 AM EST
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It's weird to watch people flip sh*t...

You do realize we watched the same thing right?

Data goes in, you twist into something that resembles something that should be compatible with your world view... then you spit it out without even thinking how you're going to portray yourself.

I imagine you thinking that you're articulating some very wise, sagely revelations, when in reality it looks like you're just spewing sloppy unthought out words out of your mouth.

The platform he ran on 2016, it was more xenophobia based... which according to the time period, was probably a pretty good strategy.

The only way you can really be on trump's nuts at this point in the game is if you're a serious f*ckin racist... I get the I only vote Republican argument... I get it... but the argument fails badly because trump isn't a Republican... so if you're for him now... "white people good, color people bad... and look how bad they treat me!!!" that's seriously his f*cking narrative right now.

Right now trump is playing numbers... he's of the opinion there are more white racist voters in this country than there non-racist voters... it's the only logical conclusion... and trump targets who he thinks going to make him a winner... morality doesn't come into play into the equation.

Sad part is, if he wins... it almost proves he's right.
RayR Offline
#64 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:39 AM EST
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Let me see if I understand you bgz....

If I don't buy into your "stand by" conspiracy theory, I must be a "f*ckin racist"? Oh and I must have changed into a devoted Trump supporter too because I reject your BS fantasy?

So where is your explanation of why Biden won't denounce ANTIFA and BLM by name?
Why don't you have anything to say in defence of Harris supporting the ANTIFA and BLM perps?

Just the facts, spare me the incomprehensible identity politicking blather which has nothing to do with what I said.
bgz Offline
#65 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:49 AM EST
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No, you're not understanding me. You're thinking I look at issolated instances and that drives my opinion. Issolated instances might weight my opinion, but I don't come to conclusions because of a single incident or statement. I think at a higher level than that.
bgz Offline
#66 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:52 AM EST
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With the exception of posing with a bible after gassing peaceful protesters... there's no coming back from that.
tonygraz Offline
#67 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:57 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Nobody condemning Biden for defending Antifas..?? Huh


Anyone or anything trump hates can't be all bad.
Gene363 Offline
#68 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 12:06 PM EST
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The origin of Proud Boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNlteJQunc
DrafterX Offline
#69 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 12:11 PM EST
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In a statement to CBS News, a representative of the Proud Boys said in part, "We condemn all forms of -isms, whether it be racism, fascism, communism, or socialism."


doesn't fit Biden's definition of them very well.... Think
Buckwheat Offline
#70 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 12:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
In a statement to CBS News, a representative of the Proud Boys said in part, "We condemn all forms of -isms, whether it be racism, fascism, communism, or socialism."


doesn't fit Biden's definition of them very well.... Think


I think they forgot realism and rationalism. ram27bat
RayR Offline
#71 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 1:04 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
In a statement to CBS News, a representative of the Proud Boys said in part, "We condemn all forms of -isms, whether it be racism, fascism, communism, or socialism."


doesn't fit Biden's definition of them very well.... Think


Ya, somethin doesn't jive with Joe's definition of Proud Boys being a white supremacist hate group.

Better ask bgz to explain, he thinks on a higher level, maybe in 4 dimensions or something.
DrafterX Offline
#72 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 1:11 PM EST
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I think he used to play for da 5th Dimension.... Mellow
bgz Offline
#73 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 1:14 PM EST
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I think the number according to current theories is 4, 10 or 11.
rfenst Offline
#74 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 2:55 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
In a statement to CBS News, a representative of the Proud Boys said in part, "We condemn all forms of -isms, whether it be racism, fascism, communism, or socialism."



"Asked if... [he] thinks Mr. Trump is 'speaking their language,'... [he] said, 'Absolutely. It's on their website. They're emboldened by it. They feel like they are the guardians to make America great again," he added.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-trump-stand-back-stand-by-emboldened/

Let's assume the post is truly accurate, why even leave them emboldened? We don't need people with assault rifles just showing up to protests and the like.
DrafterX Offline
#75 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 3:13 PM EST
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Are we gonna take the assault weapons from BLM and Antifas too..?? Huh
RayR Offline
#76 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 5:17 PM EST
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This is where I thought Trump's head was at when asked that question at the debate.
He really didn't know who the Proud Boys were.
Probably not good enough for the left conspiracy theorists or FOX reporter John Roberts for that matter.BigGrin

Quote:
“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” Trump said, turning toward Biden and employing the same “stand down” language Wallace had used in the question.

A reporter asked the president on Wednesday at the White House what he meant when he said the Proud Boys should “stand back and stand by.”

“I don’t know who the Proud Boys are,” Trump answered. “You have to give me a definition because I really don’t know who they are.”

“I can only say they have to stand down. Let law enforcement do their work,” he added.

https://www.westernjournal.com/fox-reporter-loses-temper-called-continuing-ask-white-supremacy/?utm_source=push&utm_medium=westernjournalism&utm_content=2020-10-01&utm_campaign=pushtraffic



I must say these Proud Boys sure have a sense of humour, setting bait for their ANTIFA nemesis and then not showing up for the party.

Proud Boys Promote Fake Rally to Expose Violent Antifa Lunatics — and it Worked (Videos)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/proud-boys-promote-fake-rally-expose-violent-antifa-lunatics-worked-videos/
HockeyDad Offline
#77 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:07 PM EST
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Hey look I know this whole condemning white supremacy/nazism is the current “stick to the wall” item for the week but did anybody notice during all this that the leader of the Proud Boys is a black/Latino?
tonygraz Offline
#78 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:24 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
In a statement to CBS News, a representative of the Proud Boys said in part, "We condemn all forms of -isms, whether it be racism, fascism, communism, or socialism."


doesn't fit Biden's definition of them very well.... Think


I guess alcoholism is for them.
tonygraz Offline
#79 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:30 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Are we gonna take the assault weapons from BLM and Antifas too..?? Huh


The republicans would be up in arms, and say Biden is coming for our gums.
rfenst Offline
#80 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:52 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Are we gonna take the assault weapons from BLM and Antifas too..?? Huh

I did not say take away guns. I said they don't belong at protests, just like you can't bring a gun into a bar, school or sporting event.

But, if we were to take assault weapons from far right extremists (which would be wrong), we should also take them from BLM and Antifa.
rfenst Offline
#81 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 7:55 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hey look I know this whole condemning white supremacy/nazism is the current “stick to the wall” item for the week but did anybody notice during all this that the leader of the Proud Boys is a black/Latino?

I did not notice that, but I did know of Black members.
DrafterX Offline
#82 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 8:19 PM EST
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So, Biden labeled them white supremacists just because they like Trump... and everyone believes it.... Think
8trackdisco Offline
#83 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:28 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
for #50

if you understood me a while back you wouldn't think you are paraphrasing me. Why you think I'm wrong to keep heightened emotion from our system of justice is bewildering to me.

now, if these reprobates commit crimes, I would still insist on proper use of our system of justice.
And as undigestible as the thought might be, even a "not guilty" verdict protects both of us...


Frank,
Never said “heighten emotion” should be the basis for which justice is distributed. People started fires on purpose, burned people to death, cost untold millions (probably billions when you work in the environmental impacts). There is no redeeming value in that person. For me, a bullet makes sense. You saw it differently. Admittedly, you took the high ground.

Now it’s about dog whistles, white supremists/nazis and anti-semites. I’m only asking, are you still good with that same measuring stick? Instead of 33 fire victims, it becomes 33 gun fire victims. Still calmly line up a jury of their peers, right?

Multiply that by 10 real bad apples; now you are at 333 gunfire victims. 100 = 3,333.

You’re still good with simple orderly trials? So be it.

The country is better off without either Antifa or the PB.

Basic math of addition by subtraction.

At the end of the day, with social media working like the devil to get everybody into two camps (like Democrats & Republicans) or Antifa & Proud Boys, it all seems to just be a matter of time.

I’ll be on the sidelines. Not taking a knee, nor standing down/ready.
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#84 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
well, they are a terrorist organization and clearly left.... you'd think he wouldn't even have to be asked.... Mellow



Trump was asked.... still didn't do it.
8trackdisco Offline
#85 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 9:50 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Hey look I know this whole condemning white supremacy/nazism is the current “stick to the wall” item for the week but did anybody notice during all this that the leader of the Proud Boys is a black/Latino?



They have a forward thinking, aggressive diversity and inclusion program maybe?

In our New Normal, we need to be able to quickly pivot.

Having a non white, white supreme shows they are all about... inclusion? Eh?
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#86 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:34 PM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Frank,
Never said “heighten emotion” should be the basis for which justice is distributed. People started fires on purpose, burned people to death, cost untold millions (probably billions when you work in the environmental impacts). There is no redeeming value in that person. For me, a bullet makes sense. You saw it differently. Admittedly, you took the high ground.

Now it’s about dog whistles, white supremists/nazis and anti-semites. I’m only asking, are you still good with that same measuring stick? Instead of 33 fire victims, it becomes 33 gun fire victims. Still calmly line up a jury of their peers, right?

Multiply that by 10 real bad apples; now you are at 333 gunfire victims. 100 = 3,333.

You’re still good with simple orderly trials? So be it.

The country is better off without either Antifa or the PB.

Basic math of addition by subtraction.

At the end of the day, with social media working like the devil to get everybody into two camps (like Democrats & Republicans) or Antifa & Proud Boys, it all seems to just be a matter of time.

I’ll be on the sidelines. Not taking a knee, nor standing down/ready.

a bullet makes sense in N. Korea, Iran, China, Russia...need I go further to explain why your thinking is against everything that makes us superior? Once we adopt what you propose, our worst adversaries have won.
To the big question, yup, even the most heinous, make that especially the most heinous, must go through our system to make sure you don't get dragged out by the scruff of your neck in the middle of the night by a different administration.

You and I like each other, get a kick out of each other's humor, have friends in common, and would have the bestest time herfing for sure. But right now is the worst time for me to get involved in this. It's my fault that it has gone this far for me but I have to pull back for a few days, maybe more, maybe less. Just want you to know I love this stuff and I am not fleeing nor avoiding. My attention is required elsewhere.
Smooth light Offline
#87 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:37 PM EST
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Chris"swamp 🐊"Wallace,ask the same question four years ago, Trump answer the same way. He's hard of hearing or payed to ask it again,or just trying to set him up. It didn't work then and it didn't work now.

Rerun's to get a fake narrative for the fake news. Same old codswallop.💩
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#88 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 10:59 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Trump was asked.... still didn't do it.



Declaring the KKK and Antifas a terrorist organization isn't enough.. ?? Huh
Smooth light Offline
#89 Posted: Thu, Oct 1 2020, 11:15 PM EST
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Dead issue, redundancy does not earn you any points, but their still trying
rfenst Offline
#90 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 5:19 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
a bullet makes sense in N. Korea, Iran, China, Russia...need I go further to explain why your thinking is against everything that makes us superior? Once we adopt what you propose, our worst adversaries have won.
To the big question, yup, even the most heinous, make that especially the most heinous, must go through our system to make sure you don't get dragged out by the scruff of your neck in the middle of the night by a different administration.

You and I like each other, get a kick out of each other's humor, have friends in common, and would have the bestest time herfing for sure. But right now is the worst time for me to get involved in this. It's my fault that it has gone this far for me but I have to pull back for a few days, maybe more, maybe less. Just want you to know I love this stuff and I am not fleeing nor avoiding. My attention is required elsewhere.

You and Drafter are needed in D.C.
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#91 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 6:29 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
a bullet makes sense in N. Korea, Iran, China, Russia...need I go further to explain why your thinking is against everything that makes us superior? Once we adopt what you propose, our worst adversaries have won.
To the big question, yup, even the most heinous, make that especially the most heinous, must go through our system to make sure you don't get dragged out by the scruff of your neck in the middle of the night by a different administration.

You and I like each other, get a kick out of each other's humor, have friends in common, and would have the bestest time herfing for sure. But right now is the worst time for me to get involved in this. It's my fault that it has gone this far for me but I have to pull back for a few days, maybe more, maybe less. Just want you to know I love this stuff and I am not fleeing nor avoiding. My attention is required elsewhere.


No problem, Frank. I like and respect you. No worries there, I’m not taking it personally. If you’d prefer, when time permits we can connect offline.

Let me truly take the extreme side of the Extreme discussion.

If, knowing what history has revealed, if you had a chance, would you have put a bullet into the side of the head of the young, brown shirted, WW 1 veteran in Germany after the Night of Broken Glass?
RayR Offline
#92 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 10:44 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Declaring the KKK and Antifas a terrorist organization isn't enough.. ?? Huh


It'll never be enough for the TDS infected.
Trump signed a joint resolution condemning nazis, white supremacists and such 3 years ago

He condemned racism, bigotry and white supremacy last year.
https://youtu.be/6Pd62nU4CWE

He denounced hate groups repeatedly over the years
https://youtu.be/tjKruxhVJeY

No matter, all down the pea brained progressive memory hole. The past is irrelevant, there is only the present.
frankj1 Offline
#93 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 10:57 AM EST
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rfenst wrote:
You and Drafter are needed in D.C.

no. yahrzeit at sundown today...
tonygraz Offline
#94 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 11:59 AM EST
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Bless you.
delta1 Offline
#95 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 6:44 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
It'll never be enough for the TDS infected.
Trump signed a joint resolution condemning nazis, white supremacists and such 3 years ago

He condemned racism, bigotry and white supremacy last year.
https://youtu.be/6Pd62nU4CWE

He denounced hate groups repeatedly over the years
https://youtu.be/tjKruxhVJeY

No matter, all down the pea brained progressive memory hole. The past is irrelevant, there is only the present.



if he is so practiced and committed to that belief, why does it always take him a coupla three days and intense pressure from his political analysts to issue those definitive denunciations after refusing to do so in real time?
HockeyDad Offline
#96 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 6:54 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
if he is so practiced and committed to that belief, why does it always take him a coupla three days and intense pressure from his political analysts to issue those definitive denunciations after refusing to do so in real time?


So your issue is his repetitive speed is not quick enough?
RayR Offline
#97 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 7:31 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
if he is so practiced and committed to that belief, why does it always take him a coupla three days and intense pressure from his political analysts to issue those definitive denunciations after refusing to do so in real time?


Trump likes specific definitions of things he's not aware of, "Proud Boys" was not in his dictionary.
I can understand, I read Michael Malice's book, "The New Right, A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics"
There's a lot of fringy people and groups out there that I wasn't aware of either.
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#98 Posted: Fri, Oct 2 2020, 9:35 PM EST
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If they twist everything he does, like every drop he squeeze out to the 10drgree for hate, but it's just piss and they drink it all, no questions asked.
That's why Mr delta1
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