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delta1 Offline
#101 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 6:32 PM EST
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The Tripod would need an easement into Wyoming, North Dakota, or Idaho, depending upon the direction he is facing...or an international treaty with Canada...
tonygraz Offline
#102 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 6:36 PM EST
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Hell, we can't even all fit in this forum.
frankj1 Offline
#103 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 7:50 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Montana's a huge state.
Bet you could all fit.
Especially if you built a commune...

can we build a kibbutz instead?

hey RayR! We'd sure feel better if you could enjoy the humor with us.
frankj1 Offline
#104 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 7:51 PM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
Hell, we can't even all fit in this forum.

you're like a humor sniper.
that was good.
RayR Offline
#105 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 8:12 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
I voted Libertarian the last two times.

I see opposing views where you see enemies.

I don't think we can all fit in Montana.


HAHAHAHAHA!! I see your humor now Frank. You're a left-of-center libertarian! Okey DokeyLOL
WOW!!! I think you would fit in better in a kibbutz.
frankj1 Offline
#106 Posted: Tue, Nov 24 2020, 10:19 PM EST
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luckily I fit in somewhere.
bgz Offline
#107 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 12:37 AM EST
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RayRay... are your views in line with these views?

https://www.lp.org/platform/

Or is this some leftist variant?
RayR Offline
#108 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 10:39 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
RayRay... are your views in line with these views?

https://www.lp.org/platform/

Or is this some leftist variant?


Pretty much. Not very progressive BUILD BETTER BACK, is it?Think


bgz Offline
#109 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 11:15 AM EST
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So you're good with abortion, fine with atheists and are in favor of peaceful protests?

From your posting history, I would say your far from being a libertarian except for the portions you cherrypicked out of it.
frankj1 Offline
#110 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 11:34 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
So you're good with abortion, fine with atheists and are in favor of peaceful protests?

From your posting history, I would say your far from being a libertarian except for the portions you cherrypicked out of it.

In fairness, I sort of cherry pick what I like from a few sides, but I feel it's being pragmatic since no single group-think can have all the answers, just like they can't be wrong about everything either...I mean I'd like the trains to run on time, but without Mussolini
RayR Offline
#111 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 11:47 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
So you're good with abortion, fine with atheists and are in favor of peaceful protests?

From your posting history, I would say your far from being a libertarian except for the portions you cherrypicked out of it.


Are you trying to put words in my mouth? Trying to misrepresent what I've ever said?
Do I give a crap whether you're an atheist or not, or whether you jerk off to a Joe Biden idol? Is any of it a political matter for gubment to decide?
Am I in favor of peaceful protests? Of course, I've partaked in my share in the past. But my definition of peaceful protests does not cover the leftist definition that includes looting. assault, arson, and destruction of private and public property.

If you read dem words about abortion in the platform:
"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

I agree with that position. What is stated is the federal gubment "should be kept out of the matter", the only logical and constitutional position to take unless you like it being forever tossed around as a political football.

Any more dumb questions?
bgz Offline
#112 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 12:00 PM EST
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No, there are peaceful protestsers... and there are looters.

Most the looters I've seen recent videos of were white... but then I don't generally look for looter videos.

You already chose to point your finger and say they are not the same. Their concerns are not as valid as yours. Forget the ignorant looters (of all colors) and focus on the protesters...

Are their concerns and right to liberty not as valid as yours?

Your statements generally don't coincide with what you profess.
Brewha Offline
#113 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 12:30 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


Your statements generally don't coincide with what you profess.

Ah ha Sherlock! A clue!
Smooth light Offline
#114 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 12:32 PM EST
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Protesters rights stop at imposing them on others. Stay in your own yard and curb your dogs.

Show me your better way by living it.
keep your trash out of my yard too.
RayR Offline
#115 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 12:36 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Ah ha Sherlock! A clue!


The clue is... bgz hasn't provided any statements that I've made that generally don't coincide with what I've professed.
bgz Offline
#116 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 1:03 PM EST
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I just did. You basically made the claim that black peoples concerns can be trivialized and they do not count... or at least they are not worth the merit yours are (this is a combo of posts in 2 concurrent threads).

Just by that alone tells me you don't care about their liberty. So you're not a libertarian in generally, only for people that you find to be a part of what ever sub-groups of humans you are a part.

Therefore you're a dictator... not a libertarian.
RayR Offline
#117 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 1:14 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I just did. You basically made the claim that black peoples concerns can be trivialized and they do not count... or at least they are not worth the merit yours are (this is a combo of posts in 2 concurrent threads).

Just by that alone tells me you don't care about their liberty. So you're not a libertarian in generally, only for people that you find to be a part of what ever sub-groups of humans you are a part.

Therefore you're a dictator... not a libertarian.


I made a claim about black peoples concerns? WTF are you talking about?
bgz Offline
#118 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 1:27 PM EST
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Exactly...
RayR Offline
#119 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 1:38 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Exactly...


Talking to yourself again?
bgz Offline
#120 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 1:57 PM EST
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Either you care about everyone's liberty, or none at all.

You've shown that you care about your own, but you've shown little care for anyone elses.

Makes your claims of being a libertarian a bit sus.
RayR Offline
#121 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 2:19 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Either you care about everyone's liberty, or none at all.

You've shown that you care about your own, but you've shown little care for anyone elses.

Makes your claims of being a libertarian a bit sus.


Yer beatin around da bush again by creating a straw man. You said I "claim that black peoples concerns can be trivialized and they do not count." without providing any evidence or explanation of your assertion.
bgz Offline
#122 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 2:21 PM EST
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Well, what do you think should be done about blm participating in protests then?
RayR Offline
#123 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 2:31 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Well, what do you think should be done about blm participating in protests then?


Well we all know, with the exception of you probably that BLM is a Marxist organization that promotes racial division, violence in the streets and the defacing and destruction of property. So what do you think should be done? Throw them some kisses?
bgz Offline
#124 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 2:41 PM EST
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So if there are American members of blm protesting, do they not deserve the same liberty to speak their minds even if some of their views are deemed marxist?

Again, I've asked that we discount the subset of looters.
RayR Offline
#125 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 5:40 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
So if there are American members of blm protesting, do they not deserve the same liberty to speak their minds even if some of their views are deemed marxist?

Again, I've asked that we discount the subset of looters.


Let's dispense with the notion they are all about black lives. it's a cover for their Marxist agenda.
They've removed their communitarian statement from their web site as they lost support:
Quote:
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."


Now they want a meeting with Biden and Harris to make demands for their support.

They can speak all they want as long as they get off lawn.ram27bat
Insufferable commie BITCHES!
Mr. Jones Offline
#126 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 5:41 PM EST
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RobertHively Offline
#127 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 5:45 PM EST
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^^^^

I don't understand they second part of your post. Is that pigeon speak?

Mr. Jones Offline
#128 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 5:54 PM EST
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Just ask my old D.C. 1980's buddy Chuck grassley...

He can decODe it fEr YOUINS...or ask boo boo Frankie
The kaPUTZ KABBUTZ WONDER DOG...

I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY
I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY

FROM MIGHTY MOUSE...

THE CRIMINAL FROG WITH THE EDWARD G. ROBINSON VOICE...
bgz Offline
#129 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 6:07 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Let's dispense with the notion they are all about black lives. it's a cover for their Marxist agenda.
They've removed their communitarian statement from their web site as they lost support:


Now they want a meeting with Biden and Harris to make demands for their support.

They can speak all they want as long as they get off lawn.ram27bat
Insufferable commie BITCHES!


I'm not arguing their platform for them... as long as you agree that their right to free speech should be preserved, then that's sufficient for me.
RobertHively Offline
#130 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 6:34 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Just ask my old D.C. 1980's buddy Chuck grassley...

He can decODe it fEr YOUINS...or ask boo boo Frankie
The kaPUTZ KABBUTZ WONDER DOG...

I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY
I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY

FROM MIGHTY MOUSE...

THE CRIMINAL FROG WITH THE EDWARD G. ROBINSON VOICE...


Copy that, Jonesy. Happy Thanksgiving.
Smooth light Offline
#131 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 6:55 PM EST
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Trying to inflict your opinion on us,is I'm jealous and to lazy,or you owe me.

I said I wanted ham not spam
frankj1 Offline
#132 Posted: Wed, Nov 25 2020, 7:22 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Just ask my old D.C. 1980's buddy Chuck grassley...

He can decODe it fEr YOUINS...or ask boo boo Frankie
The kaPUTZ KABBUTZ WONDER DOG...

I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY
I'M FROOOOGGGGGGYYYYYYY

FROM MIGHTY MOUSE...

THE CRIMINAL FROG WITH THE EDWARD G. ROBINSON VOICE...

Beverly Hillbillies...but Jones, it was the cee-ment pond.
RobertHively Offline
#133 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 10:02 AM EST
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^^^^^

Happy Thanksgiving, Frank.
frankj1 Offline
#134 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 3:28 PM EST
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RobertHively wrote:
^^^^^

Happy Thanksgiving, Frank.

You too, my friend.
Thanks.
Smooth light Offline
#135 Posted: Thu, Nov 26 2020, 5:44 PM EST
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So their rights include, taking over the fourm by force and shouting everyone else down.
delta1 Offline
#136 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 6:23 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Well we all know, with the exception of you probably that BLM is a Marxist organization that promotes racial division, violence in the streets and the defacing and destruction of property. So what do you think should be done? Throw them some kisses?



that is the con media description of BLM...

a few opportunist criminals and thugs use the cover of BLM protests for their criminal behavior, as well as a few anti-BLM anarchist/provocateurs who do criminal acts in the midst of BLM protests in order to bring discredit to the protests...
Speyside Offline
#137 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 8:42 PM EST
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About half of us are in neverwhere. The other half live in the emerald city.
Smooth light Offline
#138 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 10:29 PM EST
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Both are having plumbing problems, their toilet won't flush.
RayR Offline
#139 Posted: Fri, Nov 27 2020, 10:51 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
that is the con media description of BLM...

a few opportunist criminals and thugs use the cover of BLM protests for their criminal behavior, as well as a few anti-BLM anarchist/provocateurs who do criminal acts in the midst of BLM protests in order to bring discredit to the protests...


Who needs a con media description of BLM?
By their her own description, co-founder Patrisse Cullors said they are trained Marxists. Come off it man, do you really believe these commies are peaceful revolutionaries? There is no such thing! Why do you think they want to defund the police?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/
bgz Offline
#140 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 9:37 AM EST
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So do you believe all black people that protest are also marxist?

Almost all black people are sympathetic to the blm cause (right to not get killed randomly by police)...

But it's more than that... it's more about being treated without respect or empathy from those that truely believe they are dealing with an inferior race... which simply isn't true.

I've seen it when I was young. I wasn't black, but I would get messed with all the time. One time when I was young, my buddy had a warrant and they were waiting for him. They had guns on me slamming me up on my car, while the one white kid in the car was standing there with his hands in his pockets.... with that said, my stories ain't sh*t compared to my black friend's stories.

Seriously, if I ever put my hands in my pockets in the presence of police I would be dead. Brown people get taught how to act in front of police when they're kids... it's referred to as the talk... This sh*t ain't opinion... it's real, it happens. It's about being treated like a human... not asking for much.

So just because the leaders might have marxist views, it doesn't mean all the protesters feel the same... just means they want to quit getting sh*t on by outsiders.

With that, in this day in age, as long as you're polite, you're unlikely to die in an altercation... but you're still unlikely to be treated with respect... unfortunatly from my persective, the police profession tends to attract the billy badass types that like to flex on you (I'm sure I'll hear about this one on yhe vherf).

Anyway, you're still making blanked statements on a huge portion of the population... you talk about them like they're not human. You talk about them like they're some hive minded organism...

Therein lies the reason why I f*ck with you so much... you're an absolutist who generalizes everything to dehumanize anyone who isn't like you. You're a finger pointer...
RayR Offline
#141 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 12:19 PM EST
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If black and brown folk want to quit getting sh*t on, they should pick better company. Hanging with a bunch of violent, hate mongering commie community organizers ain't exactly a recipe for garnering respect and empathy. I think the drop in support shows even armchair allies are waking up to the reality of what it is.

And how about those BLM protests? I always noticed an awful lot of the participants are white as rice. It seems all the research always backs that up. Do they really have empathy for the cause or is it just an occasion to display their Trump is Hitler painting and write on streets and sidewalks? Some people just need to fit in some place and feel virtuous.
Regardless of the color thing, only a person with a IQ of 50 would march under the banner of a communist organization who is anti-communist, which means they really don't have a clue what this organization is really all about, which is fomenting racial/class warfare, the Marxist way!
But it's even more simple minded than that, they march for a three word slogan, one that's supposed to represent police brutality toward blacks. But would they march for a 5 year old black kid in Chicago that got shot in the head in a drive by? Nope! They wouldn't get off the couch, not worth burning down a city for. I guess his life doesn't matter as much, and black on black crimes don't incite the rage of the inner Bolshevik savage, it just doesn't work with the systemic racism angle either, it just doesn't have that visual impact of the proletariat vs. the bourgeoisie needed for pushing the Marxist agenda.

https://thenewamerican.com/research-indicates-that-more-blm-protestors-are-white-than-black/
bgz Offline
#142 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 3:28 PM EST
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I don't have time now for a thorough response, but your first paragraph seemed to insinuate the only way for brown people to not get f*cked with is to hang with white people... lol.

Nice one
HockeyDad Offline
#143 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 4:30 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
I don't have time now for a thorough response, but your first paragraph seemed to insinuate the only way for brown people to not get f*cked with is to hang with white people... lol.

Nice one


Interesting...I didn’t see that from the first paragraph. Sometimes being woke misfires.
HockeyDad Offline
#144 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 4:36 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
And how about those BLM protests? I always noticed an awful lot of the participants are white as rice. It seems all the research always backs that up. Do they really have empathy for the cause or is it just an occasion to display their Trump is Hitler painting and write on streets and sidewalks? Some people just need to fit in some place and feel virtuous.


Many suffer greatly from the secular Original Sin of white privilege. There is no better way to try to seek atonement for this than by joining a BLM rally.
RayR Offline
#145 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 5:34 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Interesting...I didn’t see that from the first paragraph. Sometimes being woke misfires.


Yup bgz's wokeness is a problem. Wokeness induces seeing covert racist insinuations in every dialog I guess.
RayR Offline
#146 Posted: Sat, Nov 28 2020, 5:48 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Many suffer greatly from the secular Original Sin of white privilege. There is no better way to try to seek atonement for this than by joining a BLM rally.


That's a good way to put it, kind of like self-flagellation as penance for all white sinfulness.
bgz Offline
#147 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 10:19 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Interesting...I didn’t see that from the first paragraph. Sometimes being woke misfires.


First time I've ever been called "woke"... I think you're applying that term to me the same way you would apply it to white people (tbh, I'm not sure of it's origins).

I gave a real world example of a real world event... so I guess if that "woke" me when I was in college... sure. Dude that got arrested was some guy I played basketball with, I wasn't apart of his stupid sh*t.

"RayRay" wrote:
Yup bgz's wokeness is a problem. Wokeness induces seeing covert racist insinuations in every dialog I guess....

Rewind... the first paragraph in question:

If black and brown folk want to quit getting sh*t on, they should pick better company. Hanging with a bunch of violent, hate mongering commie community organizers ain't exactly a recipe for garnering respect and empathy. I think the drop in support shows even armchair allies are waking up to the reality of what it is.



Ok, let me explain this to you... the cities have police forces... they're populated with (but not exclusively with) action junkies that live in the burbs (I know this because I know some of said action junkies). The police that come from the burbs are "outsiders".

They police the areas that are predominantly one color or another or a mix of colors... but there's not a lot of white people. Then people get f*cked with by the cops... you match a description of someone of some report (riiiigggghhttt... you know how many times I've heard that sh*t?)...

Raise one eyebrow at all, your azz goes down to the ground... you're copping an attitude.

This sh*t wouldn't happen to you RayRay... it just won't... it's real though, sh*t's real.

Anyway, to this very real world problem, your solution is for them to hang with better company.

There, it's explained.

Again, I'm not arguing their platform for them, but you clearly don't know what they're protesting for.

Now, assuming what I said is true... in your mind is that something worth protesting about? All I'm trying to do is to get you to see the other side, if you don't understand it, all you will ever do is point your finger at it and hate it.

One thing I don't do is criticize someone for utilizing their constitutional right to free speech. I might not agree with them, but I think if there's an issue they feel is worth fighting for, then they should.
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#148 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 10:28 AM EST
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Meh, let them post their POV and ignore it unless you enjoy pointing out their POV flaws and lack of facts. I could care less. If we had someone from the looney left posting here they would also have flawed factless POVS.
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#149 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 1:23 PM EST
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RayR Offline
#150 Posted: Sun, Nov 29 2020, 2:27 PM EST
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bgz, you've been duped, you can go march alongside Mitt Romney at a protest and pretend its about action junkies muscling
innocent poo folk of color. I'll say it again, you can pick better company if that's your beef.
You clearly don't understand the Marxist agenda, everything they do and claim publicly is a smokescreen to cover their true intentions.

Vasko Kohlmayer, who grew up in Communist Czechoslovakia knows how they operate. What the left stream media tells you about BLM is Kool-Aid they expect you to drink deep:

Quote:
... Even as America was being torn apart by the most violent internal upheaval in its history – which the insurance industry declared “a catastrophe” across multiple states – many people had no real idea of what was happening, thanks to the successful concealment efforts of the mainstream media outlets.

The media was deftly seconded by leftist intellectuals who provided both justification and cover. Among the many examples we could list, we just mention the world-renowned academic Noam Chomsky who managed to utter the following words with a completely straight face:

“The Black Lives Matter protests which is a huge, incredible development: the biggest social movement in American history. A huge number of people involved spontaneously, solidarity black and white together, constructive goals, develop good programs, really great things happening… At the fringes they are people who are breaking windows, intimidating somebody at the restaurant… Things like this shouldn’t be happening, but that’s not what’s going on. What’s going on is a massive, non-violent, constructive social movement.”

That was a blatant lie by Professor Chomsky.


https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/vasko-kohlmayer/the-lefts-final-objective-is-subversion-of-western-civilization/
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