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rfenst Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Feb 14 2021, 5:24 PM EST
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Het Techies- I need a little help...

Questions-

Is a 10th or 11th generation I-3 chip with 8GB of ram fast/powerful enough for a home laptop being used for internet, email, word processing and very rare, small spreadsheets?

I have a HP notebook with a Pentel Pentium Silver chip and 4GB of ram and Zoom starts to cut me off for a second or two every 30 seconds or so. Others on Zoom calls with me say my image and voice are fine. Downloading websites is very slow, wireless speeds being fine. Downloading websites is very slow.


What I have: https://www.costco.com/hp-14%22-laptop-intel-pentium---windows-10-in-s-mode---1080p---microsoft-365-personal-(1-year-subscription).product.100511587.html

Here is what I am asking about/might buy: I am looking at: https://www.costco.com/hp-14%22-laptop---11th-gen-intl-core-i3-1115g4---1080p.product.100722439.html


(Amended to provide greater detail)
ZRX1200 Online
#2 Posted: Sun, Feb 14 2021, 5:39 PM EST
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Did you ask Ram?
Jsnyder147 Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Feb 14 2021, 5:39 PM EST
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Absolutely. Although if you can spare it, upgrading to 16 GB of RAM would be a a worthwhile upgrade.
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#4 Posted: Sun, Feb 14 2021, 5:42 PM EST
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It'll be fine for all that, verify that it's not using a HDD and instead had an SSD for storage. The vast majority of laptops are using the solid state drives nowadays, but on some cheaper devices (i.e., where you can sometimes find I3's) they cheap out and go old school mechanical HDD.
Ram27 Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Feb 14 2021, 5:59 PM EST
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Go for it.....ram27bat
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#6 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 8:28 AM EST
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Second CBDs comment. It does look like what you’re looking at has an SSD. I believe for your use case this will be a great device for you. It also is upgradable so if you need to add more SSD capacity or RAM you can later on down the road. I say go for it.
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#7 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 8:29 AM EST
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Also, as far as your download speeds being slow, do you know who your internet provider is and what your plan is? Usually slow downloads are an issue with IP or network hardware, router or modem, not the actual computer.
rfenst Offline
#8 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:47 PM EST
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Jsnyder147 wrote:
Also, as far as your download speeds being slow, do you know who your internet provider is and what your plan is? Usually slow downloads are an issue with IP or network hardware, router or modem, not the actual computer.

This is definitely my machine. I am having other problems too.
HockeyDad Offline
#9 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 12:48 PM EST
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Sometimes just deleting some of the porn will help.
Jsnyder147 Offline
#10 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 2:18 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sometimes just deleting some of the porn will help.

Outrageous suggestion. Shame on you
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#11 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 3:01 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Sometimes just deleting some of the porn will help.


Contact teedub. He might let you store some your archives on his cloud account.
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#12 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 3:07 PM EST
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If you are downloading you are doing it wrong
frankj1 Offline
#13 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 5:07 PM EST
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maybe I should send a (complimentary) VHS cassette copy of Three Tracks in the Snow?


Frankie Tripod
HockeyDad Offline
#14 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 6:18 PM EST
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Robert,

I’ve got an I5 with 8 gig RAM for work
I’ve got an I5 with 16 gig RAM for work
I’ve got an I7 with 16 gig RAM for home.

There is no comparison to how much better performing the I7 is.

It costs a bit more though but the I7 setup is very nice.
MACS Offline
#15 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 6:37 PM EST
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Yep... HP Envy with the I7 8th gen.
tonygraz Offline
#16 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 6:57 PM EST
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If slowness is a problem, download the free CCleaner and run it including the registry run, download the free Malware Bytes and run it. If you don't have an AV program - get one - Avast is good and free. Download the CCleaner defraggler and run it (may take several hours-don't believe the time left it reports). If that doesn't speed things up, add more RAM or buy a better computer.
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#17 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 7:10 PM EST
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The biggest issue you have on your current machine is that pentiums are slow to begin with, and windows 10 in its resting state uses about 4 GB of RAM by itself. On a lot of the lower tier computers they have a tendency to skimp out on the internals including the network cards.

None of the things you listed doing are very resource intensive, an i3 with 8GB of RAM would get by. I would recommend going for the i5 though.
Thunder.Gerbil Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 10:51 PM EST
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Hi Robert,

Based on the information that you provided, the short answer is, yes that particular machine (HP 14-dq2033d) will likely meet your needs for now, but it is unlikely it will exceed them. At least not by much. Depending what you might use it for or how long you keep it around, this might be an issue.

If you don't mind dropping an extra $100, there is that same chassis available with an i5 and an extra 4GB of memory available for $549 right now. The difference in the cost of those two upgraded components is more than the $100. 50% more memory, about 40% (on paper) more CPU performance. Can't say if will be 50% faster or not, it might be less, or it could be more, it depends where the bottlenecks are in that machine's design. It's still an entry level notebook, but the chassis seems to work for you and you appear to like it, so no sense changing models or brands.

I do think though, that you would be happier with the slightly upgraded model. In 30 years of engineering, IT, system integration & automation, I have NEVER once heard someone say "That computer is too fast, I hate it. I wish I had bought the lesser model."

The link for the i5/12GB version for $549 is:
https://www.costco.com/hp-14%22-laptop---11th-gen-intel-core-i5-1135g7---1080p.product.100699352.html
Stogie1020 Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:15 PM EST
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Just get the i9 and be done with it.

Sarcasm
MACS Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:17 PM EST
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Got my current laptop on Adam's recommendation.

The brutha knows his stuff. Just sayin'.
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#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:19 PM EST
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Don't believe T.G....

He ain't no "engineer or I.T. GUY "....he's a federal LAW DOG who uses a laptop like everyone else on here.
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#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:20 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Got my current laptop on Adam's recommendation.

The brutha knows his stuff. Just sayin'.

the dude hates latkes!
I'd be wary.
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#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:25 PM EST
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T.G. has fried several laptops in "dubious wet environments"

i.e.:

His first experimental commodore 64 LAPTOP SHORTED OUT WHEN JAMES CAAN BLEW A THREE WEEK LOAD ON CHARGING PORT IN THE PLAYBOY MANSION GROTTO Back in 1984....
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#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:26 PM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
Just get the i9 and be done with it.

Sarcasm


I'm getting a custom sicker made for the computer case, it says "i11". That's faster, it's four more than i7. It goes to eleven.
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#25 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:27 PM EST
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Mr. Jones wrote:
T.G. has fried several laptops in "dubious wet environments"

i.e.:

His first experimental commodore 64 LAPTOP SHORTED OUT WHEN JAMES CAAN BLEW A THREE WEEK LOAD ON CHARGING PORT IN THE PLAYBOY MANSION GROTTO Back in 1984....

outstanding!!!
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#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 15 2021, 11:40 PM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
Hi Robert,

Based on the information that you provided, the short answer is, yes that particular machine (HP 14-dq2033d) will likely meet your needs for now, but it is unlikely it will exceed them. At least not by much. Depending what you might use it for or how long you keep it around, this might be an issue.

If you don't mind dropping an extra $100, there is that same chassis available with an i5 and an extra 4GB of memory available for $549 right now. The difference in the cost of those two upgraded components is more than the $100. 50% more memory, about 40% (on paper) more CPU performance. Can't say if will be 50% faster or not, it might be less, or it could be more, it depends where the bottlenecks are in that machine's design. It's still an entry level notebook, but the chassis seems to work for you and you appear to like it, so no sense changing models or brands.

I do think though, that you would be happier with the slightly upgraded model. In 30 years of engineering, IT, system integration & automation, I have NEVER once heard someone say "That computer is too fast, I hate it. I wish I had bought the lesser model."

The link for the i5/12GB version for $549 is:
https://www.costco.com/hp-14%22-laptop---11th-gen-intel-core-i5-1135g7---1080p.product.100699352.html

In the market for a new laptop myself... chrome books are absolute garbage...

Preferably I'm looking for something than can simultaneously run a zoom meeting and stream (legally, of course) a ufc fight....

Would this computer be able to handle that? If I'm willing to spend a few hundred more, is there anything significantly better?
rfenst Offline
#27 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 8:18 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Got my current laptop on Adam's recommendation.

The brutha knows his stuff. Just sayin'.

I pm'd him (after asking RAM's permission of course) and asked him for his thoughts. I am going to follow his advice on this. He's right.
rfenst Offline
#28 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 8:22 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
the dude hates latkes!
I'd be wary.

VERY, VERY. VERY wary.
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#29 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 9:28 AM EST
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Thunder.Gerbil wrote:
I'm getting a custom sicker made for the computer case, it says "i11". That's faster, it's four more than i7. It goes to eleven.

Well played....

Also, trust NEVER trust someone who hates latkes.

FWIW, a lot of the "can my computer do these two things at once" issues really have more to do with your internet service bandwith and the quality of your wifi router than with the actual computer. The problem is, you gotta be wicked nerdy to get the good stuff running right.
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#30 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 9:42 AM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:


FWIW, a lot of the "can my computer do these two things at once" issues really have more to do with your internet service bandwith and the quality of your wifi router than with the actual computer. The problem is, you gotta be wicked nerdy to get the good stuff running right.

Wife works from home now so we upgraded to the best service and equipment xfinity has to offer in our area... it's 1000mb download speed I believe... I know nothing about the router but we had to switch from our old one to this one to handle the higher speed (according to xfinity)...

Wife's computer works flawlessly but the chrome books can only handle a 200mb download speed.... hence the need to upgrade to a computer than can do 2 things at once... I'm pretty sure it's the computer...
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#31 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 10:12 AM EST
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I have an i5 with 8G of Ram. It does a Zoom, and legal streaming Every Saturday night.

I wish I had sprung for 16G of ram, I feel it would work better, no evidence that It is not working great now though.
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#32 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 10:12 AM EST
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I have an i5 with 8G of Ram. It does a Zoom, and legal streaming Every Saturday night.

I wish I had sprung for 16G of ram, I feel it would work better, no evidence that It is not working great now though.
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#33 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 10:23 AM EST
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Do you have 2?
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#34 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 11:03 AM EST
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Opel, totally agree on the chromebooks limited capabilities.

The wifi NIC may be limited in the speeds it can handle.

I feel like they were designed for a very limited use, but stores try to sell them as cheap full-function laptops, which leads to some mild disappointment.
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#35 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 11:03 AM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do you have 2?

It appears he really has an i10 with 16GB RAM.
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#36 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 11:36 AM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:


The wifi NIC may be limited in the speeds it can handle.


How do I fix that? Change out the wifi bearings or something?
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#37 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 11:41 AM EST
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Stogie1020 wrote:
It appears he really has an i10 with 16GB RAM.


Mine goes to eleven.
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#38 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 11:57 AM EST
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Jones - I still have working Commodore systems, but haven't used them in a while. Newest laptop is a 17" quad core AMD and it works fine. I have enough trouble with that small a screen and can't imagine trying to do online stuff with a phone. My desktops are I5s - one with W10 and 2 with W7. I'm finally getting used to 10, but I still don't like it.
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#39 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 12:05 PM EST
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Since a bunch of people mentioned downloads in particular, figured I'd put on my nerd hat and mention a few things:

If you buy a device and it comes with ANY sort of AV like Mcaffee or Norton or whatnot, go ahead and get that garbage off there first thing. The built in Windows defender is quite robust malware protection and is free and uses little resources.

If you are using Chrome or Edge, make sure to install uBlock Origin from the Chrome/Edge extension store. You will be amazed at how fast and responsive sites are when the trackers and ads are blocked. It allows selective blocking, so if you've got a site that requires some site to have it's ad/tracker to work, you allow just that. I've got some older net-book style devices that I occasionally use, and the web is basically useless without these tools involved.

Watch out for CCLeaner, it is easy to weirdly break your system with it in a way that cause oddball problems down the road. In addition, there have been issues with malware on their update service in the past. I used to recommend it, but I no longer do, unless you have a know-clean copy and are familiar with what you can do with it and which activities in it are snake-oil fixes.

Lastly, pay attention to the advertised upload speeds on your Cable connection. Poor upload speeds are endemic to Cable systems, and while not intuitive, can impact the ability to use things like Zoom, Teams and other meeting apps, or even some secure transfer activities (mostly corp VPN's, but I've seen other apps that require more 'acknowledged' packets be sent take a severe hit). I have a mere 75/75 fiber connection, and I'll take that any day over a weirdly asymmetrical 10/500 cable connection. When we moved from a 5/75 connection to the 75/75, our VPN connections became much faster and stable, and the wife had a much easier time of it (she worked remotely full time prior to the pandemic). Also, if you are using a cloud backup service, the upload speeds are a godsend.
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#40 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 12:19 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
In the market for a new laptop myself... chrome books are absolute garbage...

Preferably I'm looking for something than can simultaneously run a zoom meeting and stream (legally, of course) a ufc fight....

Would this computer be able to handle that? If I'm willing to spend a few hundred more, is there anything significantly better?



It might. Two simultaneous video streams/windows on a 14" screen might be a bit hard to see any detail though.

Probably be easier with a larger screen, just watch out for the systems that use the lower resolution screens to save cost. There are still a lot of 15" 1366x768 and 17" 1600x900 out there.

Discrete graphics chipsets are nice, not sure you quite need them though. Besides a better/faster graphics processor, they aren't sharing system memory. They do drive the price way up though.

You could probably get by just fine with more memory or bigger CPU and more memory. I haven't really looked around yet at what's out there. When I looked up Robert's computer, I thought I saw an add on Costco about another HP Pavilion that was like a 15.6" 1920x1080 Ryzen 5 w/ 16GB that was $200 off so $650 IIRC. Pavilion is an entry/bargain-line class system, but, if all you are going to do is tote it around your house, they are probably fine.
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#41 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 12:20 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Do you have 2?


Maybe, or I am a happy clicky kind of guy.

Just clicking until the computer likes it.
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#42 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 12:28 PM EST
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Wifi "cards" a have a general naming stricture, letter then number. N500, AC1000, or AX1600.

The letter refers to the general generation of wireless, Wifi 4, 5 or 6. Wifi 6 recently came out.
The number refer to the power the radio puts out.

Wifi 6 is the fastest wifi available. Keep in mind your router must correspond with your devices wifi. They are backwards compatible.

Agreed with Higher upload speeds, and it can be a factor. I have not had issues with that. I am using a 100/5 internet. "Down/up" And it works well enough.

Lenovo is currently releasing laptops with AX wireless cards.

I know too much information, and more than you really wanted.
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#43 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 2:30 PM EST
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So you're saying definitely get the wifi bearings calibrated, if not replaced altogether?
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#44 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 2:44 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So you're saying definitely get the wifi bearings calibrated, if not replaced altogether?


YES!!

It's the bearing light indicator fluid that you really have to check on.
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#45 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 3:34 PM EST
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I'm not very mechanical, but I do know to change the air in the tires twice a year.
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#46 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 5:36 PM EST
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Don't forget to check the tie rod guards.
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#47 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 8:25 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
So you're saying definitely get the wifi bearings calibrated, if not replaced altogether?


When in doubt, change it out.
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#48 Posted: Tue, Feb 16 2021, 10:04 PM EST
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Notthe1 wrote:
When in doubt, whip it out.


Oh my!
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#49 Posted: Wed, Feb 17 2021, 8:27 AM EST
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That works too Frankj.

That is my other life motto. Has worked for the past 44 years, not a single arrest.
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#50 Posted: Wed, Feb 17 2021, 11:41 AM EST
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